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© Thomson Reuters 2024.Japan has no right to meddle in China-Philippines maritime issues, says Chinese embassy in Japan
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kurisupisu
Attacking unarmed sailors with knives and axes is a lie?
The video evidence proves otherwise…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W-yJiJQpYrc&pp=ygUWY2hpbmVzZSBhdHRhY2sgc2FpbG9ycw%3D%3D
TaiwanIsNotChina
China has no right to be denying the Philippines access to the Second Thomas Shoal.
PTownsend
But according to Chinese myths, accepted as rule of law by the CCP, all the seas and lands, even some place called the 'heavens' are ruled by the Chinese emperor.
Posters here attack something they call MSM, then link to youtube, as mainstream as there is. If people link to a youtube video they should clearly state who the creator of the video was, these days with so many deep fakes coming from Russia and China and others, only the truest of true believers are going to believe what comes from Russia/China and their media.I do not want to click on youtube and make some totalitarian state or one of their bots richer.
John
Um, “bite me”?
GuruMick
At one period in the 14th and 15th Centuries {I think }, China was the dominant power and dominant maritime power extracting "tribute " from countries as far south as {present day } Indonesia.
At some point, China decided on something of a "closed door " approach and actually burnt much of it's ocean capable fleet.
{Pacific Worlds }
In just the last few decades, China has resurrected the old view of "dominant sea power ", and hence the current imbroglio.
My view is that China should "cease and desist "from it's megalomaniacal sea boundary claims.
BUT...I am reminded of the USA "Monroe Doctrine " that saw US suzerainty over all of Latin America, and a "right " to intervene whenever "American Interests " are threatened.
In Chile , this included the right to oust the elected Government and install Pinochet in a CIA backed coup.
So it's not as if the USA, UK, Japan etc are bringing "clean hands " to this dispute.
All these countries have a colonial history in the disputed area.
Gene Hennigh
Any country has the right to "meddle". Anyone passing through those waters, where ever they are from, has the right. China has no right to meddle with the Philippines.
AviBajaj
Declining Population Declining Economy Declining Clout Declining Friendly Countries N Growing Enemies Inside N Outside County If I Was China I Would B Worried
JJE
Four countries contest the Second Thomas Shoal.
Tokyo should be supporting Taiwan's claim and their use of water cannon.
Peter14
Not true. Philippines has asked its friends and allies to join them in dealing with China's illegal claims and constant harassment of its people, fishermen, navy and aircraft all within Philippines recognized EEZ.
Since one party has invited Japan to assist how it can, Japan has every right to intervene.
As others have stated, China has no right to claim other nations territory or international territory. Such claims have been investigated and dismissed by the world organization that makes rulings over such matters, and China is a signed party to that world organization, obliged to adhere to its determinations.
OssanAmerica
China as usual attempts to frame this as a bilateral China-PI issue. The entire East and South China Sea issue caused by China's unilateral territorial expansion in defiance of International law is a regional and global issue. Any nation that has any interest in keeping a free and open Indo-Pacific, through which much of the world's trade flows, has the right to "intervene" on this issue. China can shut their pie hole.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Still China's warmongering.
TaiwanIsNotChina
The Monroe Doctrine is not in effect and even when it was, it was an approach of carrots and sticks rather than just sticks.
So then China should at least prove it is better than 19th century US, UK, France, Spain.
GuruMick
Monroe Doctrine not written into US law...it's an idea the US holds, and continues to hold.
Chavez of Venezuela could attest to this.
Death squads in Latin America recently in the news.
Chiquita , the giant food company, fined millions of dollars for financing death squads that killed employees and those opposed to the company's practices.
GuruMick
And again, comments broken down along ideological lines.
Bizarre.
Here it's the "China bad " gang on the look out.
OssanAmerica
Chiquita is owned by two Brazilian companies. lol
Andy
Japan is meddling on direct orders from it's puppet master, the RS of the USA.
GuruMick
Ossan...jokes on you buddy.
The case against Chiquita was bought 7 YEARS before the Brazilian acquisition.
Only recently adjudicated.
I believe the company was American owned when the offences involving payment to the para military group occurred.
You can check...I could be wrong on the ownership, BUT...Chiquita not Brazilian owned when payment occurred
LOL
rainyday
I am by no means a defender of US policies in regard to South and Central America, but this is an apples to oranges comparison.
The US doesn’t claim exclusive possession of the Caribbean or any other body of water that other states share boundaries with like what China is doing with the South China Sea. Even though the US isn’t a member of UNCLOS it still respects maritime boundaries set under its principles and recognizes mutually agreed upon EEZs of other countries.
One can certainly rattle off a huge list of random bad stuff the US has done, but that merely distracts from a discussion of what China is actually doing. There is no modern precedent nor any legal justification for any country to be making the maritime claims China is making.
TokyoLiving
And China is totally right...
Neither Japan nor the US have the right..
Like it or not..
TaiwanIsNotChina
I missing the part where the US government did anything illegal to Chavez or Maduro.
Sounds like a private company did something not so great.
stormcrow
China likes to bully its smaller neighbors in peace.
itsonlyrocknroll
The only way to protect free trading shipping routes, for the entire region, Taiwan, from despot dictatorship the government of china is a regional navy, armed forces prepared to defend democratic freedoms from such threats.
Backed up by a comprehensive next gen nuclear off shore deterrent.
isabelle
Speaking out to uphold international law is not "meddling."
China and its band of pirates want to flagrantly break international law, steal things, and attack other nations. The international community is rightly challenging it on these obscene actions.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with current Chinese aggression, and does not excuse it in any way.
Broken down along "those who support the rule of law" and "those who support brutal authoritarianism" lines.
isabelle
No, it is totally wrong:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Sea_Arbitration#Award
UChosePoorly
'Divide and Conquer' is a time-tested tactic of bullies and despots.
Why is it that nations like China and Russia hate it when the smaller countries they bully call a friend?
1glenn
China has no right to meddle in Philippine-Japanese maritime issues.
WA4TKG
Of course they do:
ian
Ah a reminder in relation to this.
But it was just an exercise, it didn't meddle in the altercation that happened aftewards
ian
The seeming cowardice is quite embarrassing really.
After all the bravado, not a peep.
GuruMick
" Bring clean hands to the Court of Equity "....old Common Law saying.
China, for right or wrong, can bring past colonial actions against it, and committed by other nations, in it's deliberations.
It just will and does.
Real politic.
I'm also not saying China "has clean hands " in any of this.
But nations with a history of meddling and invasions should not be surprised when such behaviours are done by others.
Not good, but thats the way it is.
Sorry for the reality check
deanzaZZR
The major irony here of course is that the Japanese occupied these very SCS islands (not to mention Philippines in toto). I'm sure the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force still has some very accurate analog charts.
Alongfortheride
Yes Kashida, keep your nose out of it rather than looking for an excuse to pull the trigger.
Bellflower
The elephant in the room is the US, as hinted at by the reference to the joint maritime exercises at the end of the article.
Why is the Philippines at this particular time making a big issue out of this shoal?
Marcos's father was ousted from power by a revolution in 1986. The father was widely viewed as a dictator.
Marcos Jr has tried to rewrite his father's image and (Trump style) portray that period as a golden age. The key change of the Marcos Jr administration, compared to the previous Duterte administration, has been to adopt complete support for US policies along with US hostility to China.
GuruMick
Deanza....PI occupied by Spanish and US too.
Must suck being used.
Pukey2
I love it how America is making the Filippinos do all the arguing and fighting while they sit at the back. Reminds of a conflict in another country and another province.
Pukey2
mark:
So why is the Biden regime kicking up a fuss about Putin's visit to HK and Vietnam then?
isabelle
Whether they're "surprised" or not simply does not matter. Past actions by the US or anyone else still do not give China the right to act aggressively now.
Furthermore, the Philippines has never (at least, to my knowledge) meddled in, or invaded, China.
Whichever way you look at it, China's actions are 100% wrong, and they must stop. Nothing else is of relevance.
isabelle
Because it's Philippine territory (per UNCLOS) and China is trying to steal it, and is committing acts of piracy against the Philippines.
I thought that was obvious to all, but perhaps not.
Mr Kipling
Pukey2...
This is role of the vassal.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Sucks alot more in 2024 to have to open fire on Bully China to get it back off.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Could it be that Bully Boy China is stopping their troops stationed there from getting fed?
Along with finding reasonable solutions to problems compared to coked up Duterte.
ian
Now official, the Philippines won't invoke the mutual defense treaty with the US for this recent incident.
ian
Also the current Philippine president rescinded the Philippines' agreement with China (made long ago) regarding the grounded boat.
That agreement is apparently the only reason keeping China from removing the grounded boat itself from the shoal
ian
Anyway that carrier is definitely impressive to look at though.
Pity
TaiwanIsNotChina
That and the armed soldiers on it. Any garbage Duterte appeasement should be discarded.
ian
Maybe but only idiots think that agreement was made by Duterte twas made long ago
ian
China will probably offer the Philippine soldiers passage to return home, can't last long unless there's a successful resupply again
Snefruscousin
I think the correct phrase China should use is: We have been fooled by our government to harass all our neighbors and we apologize in the sincerest manner possible. We will immediately withdraw all our boats and stop using drugs and fantasies to create an alternative world in which China is the center of the universe. All islands in South China Sea will be demilitarized within six months.
rainyday
Right, so if China ever brings a claim to a court in a common law jurisdiction where it wants the Court to find a resulting trust in an inheritance dispute or some other equitable remedy that maxim might be relevant. Otherwise its irrelevant.
Wasn’t aware that the Philippines had a history of colonizing China. Is that what they teach these days?
Double checks….yup, none of the countries China is trying to basically steal maritime EEZs from has a history of doing any of that.
You really need one yourself I’m afraid.
TaiwanIsNotChina
The US will be brought in to resupply them. Takes a long time to starve people out.
ian
Yeah? Well I'll leave you to your ..musings
OssanAmerica
Chiquita was based in Ireland before being bought by the Brazilians. LOL
isabelle
Not anymore. The alliance has finally fallen apart:
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/philippine-vice-president-resigns-posts-marcos-cabinet-alliance-111253086
Marcos is now fully onboard with the free world. The next election (not for a while yet) will likely be between the Marcos/Duterte clans in some way, and will determine whether the Philippines changes course.
But even if power does go to the Dutertes, I highly doubt there'll be a full shift to China, as Duterte was badly fooled by China's "pledge trap" lies last time. What we're seeing now in the South China Sea is partly a result of his stupidity.
https://asiatimes.com/2022/04/how-duterte-fell-for-chinas-bait-and-switch/
justasking
And here's the "Chinese Troll Army" on damage control.
DanteKH
Imagine bother Philippines and Japan freezing all Chinese assets on those countries and confiscating all the land and proprieties bought by the Chinese "investors" on them.
Actually I am not sure in Philippines foreigners can buy land, removing ALL Chinese business from those 2 countries will bring a big blow to China.
One should not do any business with bullies.
deanzaZZR
Way back when live global satellite feeds were cutting edge tech I watched Ted Koppel's Nightline covering the demonstrations and eventual coup in PH to oust Papa Bong Bong.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Bong Bong Jr. gets chased out as well when your average Filipino figures out who Younger Marcos is really working for.
TaiwanIsNotChina
The US has a 78% favorability rating in the Philippines and that was before China showed its ugly face at the STS.
TaiwanIsNotChina
No musing about it. Does the US look like it avoids war? If necessary they will airdrop supplies.
starpunk
The Laws of International Waters and Free Passage. That's why the US Navy is currently waging war against those Houthi hooligans in the Red Sea.
China hasn't had an emperor since 1911. Even the CCP will tell you that. Nonetheless, they have no right whatsoever to lip off to the Japanese or Filipinos about any of these affairs. They need to show some respect for other nations, something the CCP doesn't want to recognize. And Chairman Xi and his stooges can stick it where the Rising Sun doesn't shine!
OssanAmerica
Chiquita was based in Ireland before being sold to the Brazilians.
sf2k
Meddling always the word of the oppressor
Wesley
china has no right to tell Japan what to do.
china has no rights to be in Philippines waters.
china has no right to be in Tibet.
china has no right to be in Vietnamese waters.
china has no rights to be in Senkaku.
china has no rights to bully Taiwan.
china has no rights.
starpunk
Communism is based upon socialism and democracy, both of what are good principals. Karl Marx envisioned the whole planet Earth based upon that. That's good too. But Communism never has delivered any of those things, it twists things all up and turn them into a warped grotesque monster. And that's what the CCP does.
I saw the Tiananmen Square massacre live on TV before the foreign news blackout, back in 1989. Is that what Marx envisioned in his social theory? NO!
As if what Murderous Mao did before wasn't enough to tell you, that certainly did. It cemented it, and I saw it live on TV in living color.
That day was the day when the CCP had no right to even exist in my book, if it ever did before.
nik
there is no need for the Japanese to restore order there