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Attacking unarmed sailors with knives and axes is a lie?

The video evidence proves otherwise…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W-yJiJQpYrc&pp=ygUWY2hpbmVzZSBhdHRhY2sgc2FpbG9ycw%3D%3D

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China has no right to be denying the Philippines access to the Second Thomas Shoal.

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China's territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests,"

But according to Chinese myths, accepted as rule of law by the CCP, all the seas and lands, even some place called the 'heavens' are ruled by the Chinese emperor.

@kurispu: The video evidence proves otherwise…

Posters here attack something they call MSM, then link to youtube, as mainstream as there is. If people link to a youtube video they should clearly state who the creator of the video was, these days with so many deep fakes coming from Russia and China and others, only the truest of true believers are going to believe what comes from Russia/China and their media.I do not want to click on youtube and make some totalitarian state or one of their bots richer.

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Um, “bite me”?

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At one period in the 14th and 15th Centuries {I think }, China was the dominant power and dominant maritime power extracting "tribute " from countries as far south as {present day } Indonesia.

At some point, China decided on something of a "closed door " approach and actually burnt much of it's ocean capable fleet.

{Pacific Worlds }

In just the last few decades, China has resurrected the old view of "dominant sea power ", and hence the current imbroglio.

My view is that China should "cease and desist "from it's megalomaniacal sea boundary claims.

BUT...I am reminded of the USA "Monroe Doctrine " that saw US suzerainty over all of Latin America, and a "right " to intervene whenever "American Interests " are threatened.

In Chile , this included the right to oust the elected Government and install Pinochet in a CIA backed coup.

So it's not as if the USA, UK, Japan etc are bringing "clean hands " to this dispute.

All these countries have a colonial history in the disputed area.

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Any country has the right to "meddle". Anyone passing through those waters, where ever they are from, has the right. China has no right to meddle with the Philippines.

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@GuruMick - being a history buff may allow you to recount past events, but just like to enslavement of Africans - things that happened in the past are not acceptable today and should not be allowed to happen again.

China has no right to most of the areas it’s claiming, and Japan, having its own dispute over an area with China, does have a right to voice its concern over Chinas actions to an ally, which have the potential of brining Japan into a future conflict with China.

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Declining Population Declining Economy Declining Clout Declining Friendly Countries N Growing Enemies Inside N Outside County If I Was China I Would B Worried

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Four countries contest the Second Thomas Shoal.

Tokyo should be supporting Taiwan's claim and their use of water cannon.

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Japan is not a party to the South China Sea issue and has no right to intervene in China-Philippines maritime matters, a spokesperson for China's embassy in Japan said on Friday.

Not true. Philippines has asked its friends and allies to join them in dealing with China's illegal claims and constant harassment of its people, fishermen, navy and aircraft all within Philippines recognized EEZ.

Since one party has invited Japan to assist how it can, Japan has every right to intervene.

As others have stated, China has no right to claim other nations territory or international territory. Such claims have been investigated and dismissed by the world organization that makes rulings over such matters, and China is a signed party to that world organization, obliged to adhere to its determinations.

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China as usual attempts to frame this as a bilateral China-PI issue. The entire East and South China Sea issue caused by China's unilateral territorial expansion in defiance of International law is a regional and global issue. Any nation that has any interest in keeping a free and open Indo-Pacific, through which much of the world's trade flows, has the right to "intervene" on this issue. China can shut their pie hole.

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JJEToday 08:29 am JST

Four countries contest the Second Thomas Shoal.

Tokyo should be supporting Taiwan's claim and their use of water cannon.

Still China's warmongering.

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GuruMickToday 07:12 am JST

BUT...I am reminded of the USA "Monroe Doctrine " that saw US suzerainty over all of Latin America, and a "right " to intervene whenever "American Interests " are threatened.

The Monroe Doctrine is not in effect and even when it was, it was an approach of carrots and sticks rather than just sticks.

In Chile , this included the right to oust the elected Government and install Pinochet in a CIA backed coup.

So it's not as if the USA, UK, Japan etc are bringing "clean hands " to this dispute.

All these countries have a colonial history in the disputed area.

So then China should at least prove it is better than 19th century US, UK, France, Spain.

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Monroe Doctrine not written into US law...it's an idea the US holds, and continues to hold.

Chavez of Venezuela could attest to this.

Death squads in Latin America recently in the news.

Chiquita , the giant food company, fined millions of dollars for financing death squads that killed employees and those opposed to the company's practices.

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And again, comments broken down along ideological lines.

Bizarre.

Here it's the "China bad " gang on the look out.

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Chiquita is owned by two Brazilian companies. lol

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Japan is meddling on direct orders from it's puppet master, the RS of the USA.

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Ossan...jokes on you buddy.

The case against Chiquita was bought 7 YEARS before the Brazilian acquisition.

Only recently adjudicated.

I believe the company was American owned when the offences involving payment to the para military group occurred.

You can check...I could be wrong on the ownership, BUT...Chiquita not Brazilian owned when payment occurred

LOL

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Monroe Doctrine not written into US law...it's an idea the US holds, and continues to hold.

I am by no means a defender of US policies in regard to South and Central America, but this is an apples to oranges comparison.

The US doesn’t claim exclusive possession of the Caribbean or any other body of water that other states share boundaries with like what China is doing with the South China Sea. Even though the US isn’t a member of UNCLOS it still respects maritime boundaries set under its principles and recognizes mutually agreed upon EEZs of other countries.

One can certainly rattle off a huge list of random bad stuff the US has done, but that merely distracts from a discussion of what China is actually doing. There is no modern precedent nor any legal justification for any country to be making the maritime claims China is making.

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And China is totally right...

Neither Japan nor the US have the right..

Like it or not..

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GuruMickToday 09:24 am JST

Monroe Doctrine not written into US law...it's an idea the US holds, and continues to hold.

Chavez of Venezuela could attest to this.

I missing the part where the US government did anything illegal to Chavez or Maduro.

Death squads in Latin America recently in the news.

Chiquita , the giant food company, fined millions of dollars for financing death squads that killed employees and those opposed to the company's practices.

Sounds like a private company did something not so great.

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China likes to bully its smaller neighbors in peace.

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The only way to protect free trading shipping routes, for the entire region, Taiwan, from despot dictatorship the government of china is a regional navy, armed forces prepared to defend democratic freedoms from such threats.

Backed up by a comprehensive next gen nuclear off shore deterrent.

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zhina has no right to meddle in Japan-US-Taiwan friendship+diplomatic issues! when you are accusing someone, please dont forget what you did to Taiwan! such a hypocrite action. Dear brave Filipino, you have the support from the West, Japan, and all the democracy countries, do whatever you can to protect your own land, you will never walk alone

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Speaking out to uphold international law is not "meddling."

China and its band of pirates want to flagrantly break international law, steal things, and attack other nations. The international community is rightly challenging it on these obscene actions.

GuruMickToday 07:12 am JST

All these countries have a colonial history in the disputed area.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with current Chinese aggression, and does not excuse it in any way.

GuruMickToday 09:26 am JST

And again, comments broken down along ideological lines.

Broken down along "those who support the rule of law" and "those who support brutal authoritarianism" lines.

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TokyoLivingToday 10:56 am JST

And China is totally right...

No, it is totally wrong:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Sea_Arbitration#Award

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'Divide and Conquer' is a time-tested tactic of bullies and despots.

Why is it that nations like China and Russia hate it when the smaller countries they bully call a friend?

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China has no right to meddle in Philippine-Japanese maritime issues.

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go to twitter of : Jay Tarriela and see the barbaric actions of zhina coastal guard (pirates), how they violate the international laws by attacking the brave Philippines guards and how they behave like uncivilized rascals/mafia to steal/threaten, harassing people! it is total pirates behaviors !

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statement from EU spokesperson :

The European Union is deeply concerned by the latest dangerous actions taken by Chinese Coast Guard and Maritime Militia vessels near the Second Thomas Shoal, in the South China Sea, on Monday 17 June. These actions caused damage to Philippine vessels and injury to official personnel.

The EU insists that the UN Charter, the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) and the Arbitration Award of 2016, as well as other relevant international rules and regulations relating to the safety of life at sea, should be upheld and respected at all times. This includes, in particular, the prohibition on the use of force or coercion, and the freedom of navigation.

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Of course they do:

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"Japan's cooperation with the United States and the Philippines must not undermine China's territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests," China's spokesperson said in a statement.

> The U.S, Canada, Japan, and the Philippines recently wrapped up a two-day joint maritime exercise in Manila's exclusive economic zone in the South China Sea.

Ah a reminder in relation to this.

But it was just an exercise, it didn't meddle in the altercation that happened aftewards

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The seeming cowardice is quite embarrassing really.

After all the bravado, not a peep.

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" Bring clean hands to the Court of Equity "....old Common Law saying.

China, for right or wrong, can bring past colonial actions against it, and committed by other nations, in it's deliberations.

It just will and does.

Real politic.

I'm also not saying China "has clean hands " in any of this.

But nations with a history of meddling and invasions should not be surprised when such behaviours are done by others.

Not good, but thats the way it is.

Sorry for the reality check

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The major irony here of course is that the Japanese occupied these very SCS islands (not to mention Philippines in toto). I'm sure the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force still has some very accurate analog charts.

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Yes Kashida, keep your nose out of it rather than looking for an excuse to pull the trigger.

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The elephant in the room is the US, as hinted at by the reference to the joint maritime exercises at the end of the article.

Why is the Philippines at this particular time making a big issue out of this shoal?

Marcos's father was ousted from power by a revolution in 1986. The father was widely viewed as a dictator.

Marcos Jr has tried to rewrite his father's image and (Trump style) portray that period as a golden age. The key change of the Marcos Jr administration, compared to the previous Duterte administration, has been to adopt complete support for US policies along with US hostility to China.

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Deanza....PI occupied by Spanish and US too.

Must suck being used.

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I love it how America is making the Filippinos do all the arguing and fighting while they sit at the back. Reminds of a conflict in another country and another province.

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mark:

zhina has no right to meddle in Japan-US-Taiwan friendship+diplomatic issues! 

So why is the Biden regime kicking up a fuss about Putin's visit to HK and Vietnam then?

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GuruMickToday 01:47 pm JST

But nations with a history of meddling and invasions should not be surprised when such behaviours are done by others.

Whether they're "surprised" or not simply does not matter. Past actions by the US or anyone else still do not give China the right to act aggressively now.

Furthermore, the Philippines has never (at least, to my knowledge) meddled in, or invaded, China.

Whichever way you look at it, China's actions are 100% wrong, and they must stop. Nothing else is of relevance.

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BellflowerToday 03:08 pm JST

Why is the Philippines at this particular time making a big issue out of this shoal?

Because it's Philippine territory (per UNCLOS) and China is trying to steal it, and is committing acts of piracy against the Philippines.

I thought that was obvious to all, but perhaps not.

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Pukey2...

I love it how America is making the Filippinos do all the arguing and fighting while they sit at the back. Reminds of a conflict in another country and another province.

This is role of the vassal.

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If the Philippines ask for assistance from Japan. Japan should rise to the cause. Or any country that can be an asset to setting the disputes. China treats the Philippines terribly. Taking all counties recourses and making Pinya's and Pinoy's to work for pennies in China.

With promises of riches upfront. But once in China. Its a different story! Most cases not every.

Leaving many of them struggling to get home or falling ill. Or mistreated never making it home.

Takes allot to run China and keep everyone fed. They need other countries resources. What' China does in Africa is way way worse on whole different level with Cobalt mining.

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GuruMickToday 03:10 pm JST

Deanza....PI occupied by Spanish and US too.

Must suck being used.

Sucks alot more in 2024 to have to open fire on Bully China to get it back off.

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BellflowerToday 03:08 pm JST

Why is the Philippines at this particular time making a big issue out of this shoal?

Could it be that Bully Boy China is stopping their troops stationed there from getting fed?

Marcos Jr has tried to rewrite his father's image and (Trump style) portray that period as a golden age. The key change of the Marcos Jr administration, compared to the previous Duterte administration, has been to adopt complete support for US policies along with US hostility to China.

Along with finding reasonable solutions to problems compared to coked up Duterte.

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Bellflower

Today 03:08 pm JST

The elephant in the room is the US, as hinted at by the reference to the joint maritime exercises at the end of the article.

Now official, the Philippines won't invoke the mutual defense treaty with the US for this recent incident.

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Also the current Philippine president rescinded the Philippines' agreement with China (made long ago) regarding the grounded boat.

That agreement is apparently the only reason keeping China from removing the grounded boat itself from the shoal

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Anyway that carrier is definitely impressive to look at though.

Pity

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ianToday 04:06 pm JST

Also the current Philippine president rescinded the Philippines' agreement with China (made long ago) regarding the grounded boat.

That agreement is apparently the only reason keeping China from removing the grounded boat itself from the shoal

That and the armed soldiers on it. Any garbage Duterte appeasement should be discarded.

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TaiwanIsNotChina

Today 04:25 pm JST

ianToday 04:06 pm JST

> Also the current Philippine president rescinded the Philippines' agreement with China (made long ago) regarding the grounded boat.

> That agreement is apparently the only reason keeping China from removing the grounded boat itself from the shoal

> That and the armed soldiers on it. Any garbage Duterte appeasement should be discarded.

Maybe but only idiots think that agreement was made by Duterte twas made long ago

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China will probably offer the Philippine soldiers passage to return home, can't last long unless there's a successful resupply again

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I think the correct phrase China should use is: We have been fooled by our government to harass all our neighbors and we apologize in the sincerest manner possible. We will immediately withdraw all our boats and stop using drugs and fantasies to create an alternative world in which China is the center of the universe. All islands in South China Sea will be demilitarized within six months.

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Duterte invited the Chinese in, In the same breath called Obama a S.O.W.

That was hysterical and historical at the same time by the way... Classic Mindanowian attitude.

Link is below for good laugh....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXdPa4jgupw

Bongbong loves the USA, but has a pollical alliance with Duterte. What conundrum that is.

Look, the Philippine government and leadership needs to pick a side. And I really think they are about there in doing that.

As the fish supplies become exhausted and all seafoods being offshored to China, as well other precious recourses. Add to it the country not being fairly compensated. Bamboozled really.

The leadership in PI can only blame itself. The USA stance is.

What did Dr. Dre say?

Better to do business with me, than against me.

Corruption at its finest. That is P.I. and always has been.

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" Bring clean hands to the Court of Equity "....old Common Law saying.

Right, so if China ever brings a claim to a court in a common law jurisdiction where it wants the Court to find a resulting trust in an inheritance dispute or some other equitable remedy that maxim might be relevant. Otherwise its irrelevant.

China, for right or wrong, can bring past colonial actions against it, and committed by other nations, in it's deliberations.

Wasn’t aware that the Philippines had a history of colonizing China. Is that what they teach these days?

But nations with a history of meddling and invasions should not be surprised when such behaviours are done by others.

Double checks….yup, none of the countries China is trying to basically steal maritime EEZs from has a history of doing any of that.

Sorry for the reality check

You really need one yourself I’m afraid.

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Duterte invited the Chinese in, In the same breath called Obama a S.O.W.

That was hysterical and historical at the same time by the way... Classic Mindanowian attitude.

Link is below for a good laugh....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXdPa4jgupw

Bongbong loves the USA, but has a pollical alliance with Duterte. What a conundrum that is.

Look, the Philippine government and leadership needs to pick a side. And I really think they are about there in doing that.

As the fish supplies become exhausted and all seafoods being offshored to China, as well other precious recourses. Add to it the country not being fairly compensated. Bamboozled really.

The leadership in PI can only blame itself. The USA stance is.

What did Dr. Dre say?

Better to do business with me, than against me.

Corruption at its finest. That is P.I. and always has been.

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ianToday 04:41 pm JST

China will probably offer the Philippine soldiers passage to return home, can't last long unless there's a successful resupply again

The US will be brought in to resupply them. Takes a long time to starve people out.

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TaiwanIsNotChina

Today 05:08 pm JST

ianToday 04:41 pm JST

> China will probably offer the Philippine soldiers passage to return home, can't last long unless there's a successful resupply again

> The US will be brought in to resupply them. Takes a long time to starve people out.

Yeah? Well I'll leave you to your ..musings

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GuruMickToday  10:34 am JST

Ossan...jokes on you buddy.

The case against Chiquita was bought 7 YEARS before the Brazilian acquisition.

Only recently adjudicated.

Chiquita was based in Ireland before being bought by the Brazilians. LOL

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ChristopherToday 04:55 pm JST

Bongbong loves the USA, but has a pollical alliance with Duterte. What conundrum that is.

Not anymore. The alliance has finally fallen apart:

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/philippine-vice-president-resigns-posts-marcos-cabinet-alliance-111253086

Marcos is now fully onboard with the free world. The next election (not for a while yet) will likely be between the Marcos/Duterte clans in some way, and will determine whether the Philippines changes course.

But even if power does go to the Dutertes, I highly doubt there'll be a full shift to China, as Duterte was badly fooled by China's "pledge trap" lies last time. What we're seeing now in the South China Sea is partly a result of his stupidity.

https://asiatimes.com/2022/04/how-duterte-fell-for-chinas-bait-and-switch/

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Here it's the "China bad " gang on the look out.

And here's the "Chinese Troll Army" on damage control.

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Imagine bother Philippines and Japan freezing all Chinese assets on those countries and confiscating all the land and proprieties bought by the Chinese "investors" on them.

Actually I am not sure in Philippines foreigners can buy land, removing ALL Chinese business from those 2 countries will bring a big blow to China.

One should not do any business with bullies.

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Way back when live global satellite feeds were cutting edge tech I watched Ted Koppel's Nightline covering the demonstrations and eventual coup in PH to oust Papa Bong Bong.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Bong Bong Jr. gets chased out as well when your average Filipino figures out who Younger Marcos is really working for.

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deanzaZZRToday 01:33 am JST

Way back when live global satellite feeds were cutting edge tech I watched Ted Koppel's Nightline covering the demonstrations and eventual coup in PH to oust Papa Bong Bong.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Bong Bong Jr. gets chased out as well when your average Filipino figures out who Younger Marcos is really working for.

The US has a 78% favorability rating in the Philippines and that was before China showed its ugly face at the STS.

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ianJune 22 06:03 pm JST

The US will be brought in to resupply them. Takes a long time to starve people out.

Yeah? Well I'll leave you to your ..musings

No musing about it. Does the US look like it avoids war? If necessary they will airdrop supplies.

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TaiwanIsNotChinaJune 22  06:54 am JST

China has no right to be denying the Philippines access to the Second Thomas Shoal.

The Laws of International Waters and Free Passage. That's why the US Navy is currently waging war against those Houthi hooligans in the Red Sea.

PTownsendJune 22  07:00 am JST

China's territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests,"

But according to Chinese myths, accepted as rule of law by the CCP, all the seas and lands, even some place called the 'heavens' are ruled by the Chinese emperor.

China hasn't had an emperor since 1911. Even the CCP will tell you that. Nonetheless, they have no right whatsoever to lip off to the Japanese or Filipinos about any of these affairs. They need to show some respect for other nations, something the CCP doesn't want to recognize. And Chairman Xi and his stooges can stick it where the Rising Sun doesn't shine!

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GuruMickJune 22  10:34 am JST

Ossan...jokes on you buddy.

You can check...I could be wrong on the ownership, BUT...Chiquita not Brazilian owned when payment occurred

Chiquita was based in Ireland before being sold to the Brazilians.

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Meddling always the word of the oppressor

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Japan is not a party to the South China Sea issue and has no right to intervene in China-Philippines maritime matters

china has no right to tell Japan what to do.

china has no rights to be in Philippines waters.

china has no right to be in Tibet.

china has no right to be in Vietnamese waters.

china has no rights to be in Senkaku.

china has no rights to bully Taiwan.

china has no rights.

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WesleyJune 23  08:43 pm JST

Japan is not a party to the South China Sea issue and has no right to intervene in China-Philippines maritime matters

china has no right to tell Japan what to do.

china has no rights to be in Philippines waters.

china has no right to be in Tibet.

china has no right to be in Vietnamese waters.

china has no rights to be in Senkaku.

china has no rights to bully Taiwan.

china has no rights.

Communism is based upon socialism and democracy, both of what are good principals. Karl Marx envisioned the whole planet Earth based upon that. That's good too. But Communism never has delivered any of those things, it twists things all up and turn them into a warped grotesque monster. And that's what the CCP does.

I saw the Tiananmen Square massacre live on TV before the foreign news blackout, back in 1989. Is that what Marx envisioned in his social theory? NO!

As if what Murderous Mao did before wasn't enough to tell you, that certainly did. It cemented it, and I saw it live on TV in living color.

That day was the day when the CCP had no right to even exist in my book, if it ever did before.

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there is no need for the Japanese to restore order there

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