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Unless it's written in dollar signs, Korea won't care.

14 ( +32 / -18 )

Problem solved!

All that was missing was an explanation on the website, who knew?

21 ( +26 / -5 )

Koreans couldn't read the English?  Somehow I doubt that.

22 ( +29 / -7 )

Pathetic sugar coating. Japanese know full well what the flag represents

-6 ( +25 / -31 )

Pathetic sugar coating. Japanese know full well what the flag represents

It represents the Japanese military, as it always has, long before WWII. Just like the German Iron Cross represented the German military long before the Nazis and it still does.

But for some reason, Germany gets a free pass while Korea and some people not familiar enough with, history gasp in shock every time Japan shows their military's flag.

11 ( +28 / -17 )

The official flag of Japan is the Hinomaru - a Red disc on a stark white background.

It is recognized the world over as Japan's national flag as has been designated as such by law since 1999.

The Rising Sun flag with radiating rays, was the flag of the Imperial Japanese Army & Navy. A modified version with less rays is still the flag of the Japan Self Defense Force.

Regardless of whether the Rising Sun flag is used by fishermen, festivals etc it will always have military connotations simply because of it's historical use.

As I understand the olympic charter states (somewhere), that only nations officially recognised flags are to be used - eg Hinomaru - and unofficial flags arnd/or politicized emblems are banned.

Maybe someone has extra info re this.

6 ( +25 / -19 )

Putting it up in Korean in addition to the other languages is a good idea. One of the problems with Korean gripes against Japan is that they mix factual historical issues with misconceptions and fallacies. For example how often do we hear people blaming Japan for the division of North and South Korea? Anyone with half a brain knows that the U.S., USSR where responsible, as well as China once the Korean War started in 1950, 5 years after Japan was defeated in WWII. In the same vein, the 16 rayed Kyokujitsuki, used in Japan before and after WWII, and used in many ways outside of military, is not the equivalent of the Nazi swastika flag, yet Korean anti-Japan activists are again attempting to deceive the world for the own agenda. As pointed out, it is the equivalent of the German Iron Cross, in use before and after WWII.

If the United States armed forces, which fought Imperial Japan in WWII, (and whose POWs were mistreated by Koreans in the IJA BTW) have no problem with the rising sun flag, Koreans whose rear ends are protected by the United States need to face reality and drop this nonsense.

http://www.china.org.cn/photos/2012-08/22/content_26303256.htm

https://emapatches.com/eriks-military-aviation-patches/product/strike-fighter-squadron-27-japanese-rising-sun-shield-patch/

6 ( +28 / -22 )

Yeah, as if that's going to convince any of these anti-Japan nationalists.

The rising sun flag was used in Japan wayyyyy before World War 2 and there is absolutely zero comparison to the Nazi swastika flag. Nada, zero, zilch.

The rising sun flag was in fact flown before and South Koreans never had an issue with it decades ago including during a naval review.

Grow up!

7 ( +27 / -20 )

No-one has the right to tell Japanese which of their flags they can and cant wave.

8 ( +27 / -19 )

Ossan - you're simply reflecting your own narrative.

The USA's position on this is of little importance.

My stance on this is just as a neutral observer.

Fact - Both Korea and China were occupied by Japan for many years and it was the Imperial Army that maintained order and control.

Fact - It was the Rising Sun flag that was the symbol of the occupying forces.

Fact - Today many / some Chinese and Koreans still harbor negative images of the Rising Sun flag as symbolic of military oppression.

Fact - The official flag of Japan, the Hinomaru, is acceptable to many Chinese and Koreans as the modern representation of Japan's national status.

Fact - The Hinomaru will be the flag raised at any gold medal awarding ceremony.

There is no need to complicate things with the historical baggage associated with the Rising Sun, when the Real Flag of Japan as a Nation is the Hinomaru - as decided by and set in law.

No ifs, buts and whatabouts required.

-3 ( +23 / -26 )

There is no need to complicate things with the historical baggage associated with the Rising Sun, when the Real Flag of Japan as a Nation is the Hinomaru - as decided by and set in law.

Common sense and a great post. There are some with a rabid hatred of Korea and China and it clouds their judgement.

This hatred is a real pity.

-11 ( +17 / -28 )

Korea must stop stupid propaganda.

I think it is time the world to know that what Japan did to Korea, how much Japan used its money to invest and help Korean people.

http://konnakototte.wpblog.jp/work-blog/truth-told-by-korean-prof/

It was also analyzed by British author, Alleyne Ireland in 1926 in his book "New Korea".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule

7 ( +24 / -17 )

Koreans are raising proactive objections to the possibility that some Japanese spectators might wave rising sun flags in the stands, which they are saying would be inflammatory and/or offensive. (At the Olympics, the rising sun flag would have no official status.)

Should there be a melee in the stands caused by somebody waving a flag, you can bet it will only happen once. After that, during security checks at the venues, anyone carrying a flag will be obliged to check it in at the door.

So it's not going to be a problem next year. Let's keep the Olympics free from this kind of political baggage.

5 ( +14 / -9 )

So, why does Japan need two symbols? One definitely is not internationally understood. The big fear is not the possible misunderstanding but the major domino effect it’ll have if the Koreans don’t come to the Olympics.

-7 ( +13 / -20 )

That flag IS the equivalent of the swastika PERIOD!

Wherever that flag was seen extreme nastiness death & destruction followed in the 1930-40's PERIOD!

It is just another example of Japan NOT admitting its past PERIOD!

Just look at how right wingers LOVE IT, that is telling!

-13 ( +16 / -29 )

The Rising Sun flag with radiating rays, was the flag of the Imperial Japanese Army & Navy. A modified version with less rays is still the flag of the Japan Self Defense Force.

Regardless of whether the Rising Sun flag is used by fishermen, festivals etc it will always have military connotations simply because of it's historical use.

Yes, and to the disconnected outsider, its just an innocent symbol that predates the war, however to the connected insider, its much more than that. I once got to experience a rightist nutter with his speaker blaring insults at mee, all the while sitting in his ridiculous looking van with rising sun flags all over it.

They know good and well what it represents and means, (boot on neck oppression) but hide behind that meaning when it suites them. For me, if a symbol has any hate connected to it, why bother using it? Its so interesting to me, that so many just love and adore themselves some Japan, and will even excuse this behavior out of ignorance but will pick apart any "injustice" in their own country. So many just work themselves into a hissy fit about the Nevada internment camps but will excuse this flag. Just bizarre.

-9 ( +14 / -23 )

With that logic, we must ban the U.S flag and British flag. PERIOD!

Korean flag as well for the atrocity against Vietnamese, Lai Dai Han.

Besides, none of these countries paid reparations yet. PERIOD!

9 ( +27 / -18 )

They didn't mention how popular that flag is with people that drive black vans.

That's where I see it the most.

-7 ( +16 / -23 )

Funny. Doesn't matter how much spin is placed on the matter. If you won't accept the nazi flag to be flown, then this shouldn't either. But yeah,spin away.

-8 ( +16 / -24 )

One thing I've noticed in Japan is that the Japanese public will never wave the rising sun flag at the emperor... only the hinomaru flag.

Is there a reason for this?

Is it banned in Japan for the public to wave the rising sun flag at the emperor?

Could somebody please explain this?

2 ( +13 / -11 )

But for some reason, Germany gets a free pass while Korea and some people not familiar enough with, history gasp in shock every time Japan shows their military's flag.

Yeah! Whatever is that reason? Why would Germany, which has fully admittedcamd stones for its aggression in WWII get a pass? Why? Could someone help me with this one?

-6 ( +14 / -20 )

*admitted and atoned

-7 ( +12 / -19 )

 For example how often do we hear people blaming Japan for the division of North and South Korea? 

Never.

If the United States armed forces, which fought Imperial Japan in WWII, (and whose POWs were mistreated by Koreans in the IJA BTW) h

The POWs were also abused by the Japanese in the IJA. Let's have a little intellectual honesty, shall we.

-4 ( +16 / -20 )

browny1Today  10:48 am JST

Ossan - you're simply reflecting your own narrative.

The USA's position on this is of little importance.

Not just my "own narrrative". That the United States, the UK, Australia all of whom fought Imperial Japan in WWII now train together with Japan and have no problems with their naval ensign is a FACT.

Koreans, who did not fight Imperial Japan because they were part of the Japanese forces having a "problem" with this flag is ridiculous.

South Korea needs to start acting like a member of the US-JPN-SK military alliance or they can go defend themselves. Or join China or their brothers in the North. The ones who kill South Koreans every now and then.

10 ( +25 / -15 )

The hatred you read in threads like this and the strange voting patterns is a cause for despair.

Really low.

-5 ( +13 / -18 )

Remember when Japan changed all the buddhist sun power symbols on maps that represented temples, well....

Double standards.

Why couldn't Japan explain that the symbol had nothing to do with the third Reich?

If anything the flag of the empire of Japan has much more impact than a Buddhist sun symbol, at least for Asian.

Saying that, I don't endores any of this banning symbols nonsense.

15 ( +19 / -4 )

OssanAmericaToday 02:53 pm JST

browny1Today  10:48 am JST

Ossan - you're simply reflecting your own narrative.

The USA's position on this is of little importance.

*Not just my "own narrrative". That the United States, the UK, Australia all of whom fought Imperial Japan in WWII now train together with Japan and have no problems with their naval ensign is a *FACT.

Thanks for the reply Ossan.

Yes they fought against Japan and thankfully now are allies. Korea are also allied with Japan, although recent events have shaken that. I'm sure the core of the alliance is still intact as we are not privy to what plays out at top level esp militarily.

But as I noted earlier, the US, Aust, etc are not directly concerned with this matter as they were never occupied by Japan for up to decades.

It's hypothetical musing, but I can only assume, if for arguments sake, Aust had been occupied and ruled by Japan for nigh on 40 years, there may be some lingering negative sentiments towards them.

So, yes some Koreans & Chinese do still hold grudges - which I myself feel probably solves nothing - but I can never put myself into their position as I was never occupied by Japan and oppressed under the Rising Sun Flag.

In this instance re olympics, I feel it's just natural that the only flags to be allowed are those officially recognized by the IOC as being the official national flags. In this case the Hinomaru.

0 ( +15 / -15 )

Koreans do not have to come to Japan if they do not like this flag.

7 ( +23 / -16 )

There is no need to complicate things with the historical baggage associated with the Rising Sun, when the Real Flag of Japan as a Nation is the Hinomaru - as decided by and set in law.

Agree completely. The Olympics are international events and the international flags should be the only ones allowed. I see no reason why the other flag is needed. Can anyone tell me a good reason since it is not the official flag.

-6 ( +9 / -15 )

Flags seem to cause a lot of anxiety. A bit more laughter might help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9W1zTEuKLY

1 ( +2 / -1 )

There is no IOC rules regarding flags that spectators may carry. Even the "official flag" need not necessarily be the national flag under certain circumstances.

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/1/17/16900972/winter-olympics-opening-ceremony-north-south-korea-flag

It is not a national flag of either South or North Korea.

The JMSDF Ensign is not a "poltical" flag. It is not the equivalent of thje Nazi swastika. The nations who fought Imperial Japan 70+ years ago would not be carrying out joint excercises with Japan if they thought it was the equivalent of the Nazi flag.

Undoubtedly tje Japanese nsational Olympic team will enter with tje Hinomaru flag. What individual spectators may wave is really not anyone's concern. Except to those who want to make it an issue.

9 ( +23 / -14 )

Its not only 1 country where the white and red rays are rather emotionally viewed.

The mellow fellow image nurtured inside the islands is just not sustainable if this symbol

is on display during international events.

2 ( +5 / -3 )

The JMSDF Ensign is not a "poltical" flag.

Every flag flown by the military of a control is inherently political. Nice attempt at divorcing the two to advance your apologetics.

It is not the equivalent of thje Nazi swastika. *

It is given it carries the stain of Japan's wartime aggression, just like the Nazi swastika ruined swastikas.

The nations who fought Imperial Japan 70+ years ago would not be carrying out joint excercises with Japan if they thought it was the equivalent of the Nazi flag.

Weak logic. That's roughly equivalent to saying the nation that did the heavy lifting in the pacific wouldn't be allies with a country that retained a war criminal as emperor, but it happened out of expediency. There's also the fact that the US virtually occupies Japan, so Japan is no threat to it.

-14 ( +8 / -22 )

Undoubtedly tje Japanese nsational Olympic team will enter with tje Hinomaru flag. What individual spectators may wave is really not anyone's concern. Except to those who want to make it an issue.

Brilliantly argued OssanAmerica. Always good to see voices of reason here. Japanese have the right to wave ANY of their national flags at Tokyo 2020. It is no ones right to stop them.

5 ( +20 / -15 )

**TheLongTermer:**" if a symbol has any hate connected to it, why bother using it?"

Yes, indeed, that's the real question behind all these comments ( many of them expressing contempt and even worst against the Korean people...): one cannot escape the historical fact that Olympic games are an efficient and powerful tool of propaganda for the nationalists of all countries. This flag comes at best as a blunder, and a sorry reminder of a shameful past of war, destruction and terror in the Far East...

-7 ( +11 / -18 )

Inter Olympic even but so out of theisland, will it last?.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Why don't the Japanese wave the rising sun flag at the emperor?

Is it banned to do that in Japan?

What would happen if during the enthronement parade (for example) a Japanese citizen tried to wave the rising sun flag at the emperor?

Would police officers stop that person?

I'm really curious about this.

-6 ( +9 / -15 )

South Korea may impose ban on the rising sun flag within its soil while Japanese may follow it as a local rule or manner. But that's all they can. The issue is parochial in nature, would never go globally beyond its borders, out of specific cultural and historic background. The current anti-flag campaign is going radical, irrational even pathological as Korean activists have attacked at random almost everything "looking like" rising sun design.

9 ( +17 / -8 )

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