Public safety chief kept eating at restaurant despite Kishida attack news

So in practical terms, what was he supposed to do? Stop eating his lunch and do what?

He gets a call to say that someone had thrown a smoke bomb at the Prime Minister. No one as injured. The PM is fine and is carrying on with his day, The 'suspect' is in custody.

I dont think it would be valid.

According to this reasoning then there is no valid conclusion to be made ever, which obviously makes no sense.

Your example is completely mistaken, because you are not making a conclusion based on what is known but based only one single thing that is supposedly known, without taking into account the myriad of many other things that contradicts that conclusion. In this case there is no such contradicting information, so it is perfectly valid to conclude something unless you can present that contradicting information that leads to a different conclusion. Just saying that this information "may" exist is not an argument, it is just an excuse.

 if for example he rushes to PM right away what will he do there, after everythings over?

Mainly take decisions based on the best available information and specially demonstrate that he takes his duty (and whatever actions he may be able to do, even if waiting is the most likely) much more seriously than self gratification. He showed the opposite, which is why his image suffered not in my eyes but on the public, which is the argument I made.

Your example with hospital director is way too invalid because the main function of a hospital director is management! For rushing forth and saving he has his subordinates - doctors in the emergency department!

That is precisely why the example was used, the example works exactly because he is not the one that will do things persnally but because he is the one that takes responsibility for the actions of the doctors, nurses, etc. under his authority. Exactly as in this case. Tani was not supposed to go around running trying to catch people or kicking doors to find more bombs, he was supposed to be taking his responsibility seriously, which he did not.

First of all, he enjoyed his meal because i suppose it was a meal time

That does nothing to excuse his lack of actions in an exceptional circumstance. Would "it was a meal time" excuse for you other people not doing their job in an emergency? for the public it does not.

You personally don't care if someone is not taking his job seriously enough to even skip a meal, but for the public his position of authority comes with heavy responsibility as well, and he was found lacking in his attitude. He is a public servant and part of his job is to respond to the demands of the public in a reasonable way, rushing a meal can be justified for the extraordinary event.

Japan's public safety chief said Tuesday he kept eating a "delicious" bowl of grilled eel rice even as he was notified about an attack that apparently targeted Prime Minister Fumio Kishida during election campaigning earlier this month, immediately triggering a backlash from opposition parties.

These kind of statements are made by people who have no fear of consequences, which of course happens in one party oligarchies.

Even if he is forces to resign he and his family will have a comfortable shift to a cushy retirement or crony private sector position.

I don't understand the issue. He was having lunch and there was news of an attack. I'm sure his phone was with him so he could be contacted. Let the dude finish eating

Your example is completely mistaken as well, since you are not able to acknowledge other possibilities and only take into account what is presented to you by authorities/lies on the surfaces/suits your political views/etc etc etc.

That would be YOUR example, in mine all available information is to be taken into account, you are the one that only listen to one single source and pretend that is the whole of the information available, which makes no sense. You want to say there are information that excuplates the safety chief? then present it, else the "possibility" of this supposed information is not enough, because (again) it would mean there is no conclusion possible about anything because there is always this possibility.

Well, is the key word here is ‘demonstrate’? Like an abiding loyal inu?

Nobody forced him to be a public servant, so if he obviously is taking the power and benefits of his position then he has to take also the flack and responsibilities of his actions. There is nothing wrong with accepting everything that comes with the job instead of just the good and pretend the difficult part do not exist. All jobs are like that.

His work is to become available in extraordinary circumstances like in the attack, he simply choose not to do his duty and instead enjoy himself as if he was not in his position.

And you made your argument bearing that role of representing ALL public? 

No, I make the argument that the article is the one saying this is how the public reacted and that there is nothing wrong with it, you have read it right?

Taihen! I just imagined the guy doing exactly what you wrote! 

And so you just proved that your criticism of the example is completely irrational and you simply did not understood that both cases are the same.

Was it actually an exceptional circumstance?

How many times in the last few years a bomb has been thrown to the prime minister? obviously this is not routine incident, even if obviously this completely defeats your point.

Of course not! But i think there were enough people to take care of the PM emergency at that moment :)))

Enough people able to take the decisions that he public safety chief can? that is not even a credible excuse.

Unless you have a possibility to gather votes of ALL Japanese public on this matter dont you dare use the Public’s name for defending your personal views.

that is nonsensical, the article you are commenting makes very clear the opinions about it are extremely negative, and so is the coverage in any other place you can find around. Pretending this is something nobody knows about so the public have no opinion about it is a terribly bad way to accept you have no argument against the obvious negative perception of the chief actions by the public.

 or do you think a person at such a high position lacks intelligence to realise the impact of his words? 

You would be surprised but this is nothing as extraordinary as you think it is. Specially in Japan where some people have said even worse things simply because they feel secure in their position, they are completely disconected from the opinion of the public or fail to consider how their words would be taken before making any declaration.

There are even articles with compilations of these unbelievably wrong declarations.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-14026657

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/05/22/reference/art-fallout-japanese-political-gaffe/

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20190715/p2a/00m/0na/028000c

My opinion, he probably knew about it and didnt care!

Since security made numerous changes after Abe was shot, and thanks to the security measures taken to protect Kishida, who escaped unharmed, let the poor guy finish his dinner.

The same counterargument can be used every time you make this claim, changes and improvements are not the same thing. Since a criminal was able to throw a bomb to the prime minister without problems then the changes made (if any) were not even close to improving security to a minimally acceptable level.

I mean, a simple, easy and well known measure like bag checking was outside of the scope of the "numerous changes", this would have prevented the bomb attack but was not done. Maybe because the person responsible of actually making the changes (or effective changes) simply kept eating instead of doing his job.

Why even say it then? LDP lack even basic common sense.

everything depends on a true state of things behind what is presented to society

Unless you have evidence that contradict what is presented to society then it is still perfectly valid to make conclusions based only on what is known, else you could even make even more condemning conclusions against him just by saying that maybe something that proves even more his irresponsibility is not known (yet).

should the guy who kept eating take all responsibility?

Yes, because it is his job and he made a consious decision not to attend his post in an emergency, even fully knowing how it would be seen. If the director of a hospital is called to an incident where a patient dies and he chooses to finish golfing first it will not matter that he personally would not be saving the patient his choice is the one that is being judged.

The incident was over, police handled it quickly, and no one was hurt, thanks to enhanced security measures.

That has no relevance, "advanced" security measures that did not even included a bag check? that was not what prevented a second bomb from being thrown or the first one from causing injuries or deaths. In reality the PS chief had no idea if the incident was already over or what other things could be happening, still he choose to enjoy his time leisurely and let others take care of what was still happening. The people is well justified in perceiving him as irresponsible for this.

Thats what cheeky chappys do once they go out and about. Isn't he a card.

Sad to hear the small news.

Confirmed the importance of prioritization and integrity.

The man was HUNGRY.

Realistically, there wasn’t much he could do after the attack took place. He might as well have scoffed down his endangered eel and rice.

Havent you ever suspected that there are always things that are hidden from official presentation?

Still nonsense, if your argument is that something may not be known that would make it impossible to decide anything (because it is always possible) if your argument is that there is information that exculpates the public servant then present it. What you can't argue is to selectively consider this possibility only when you don't agree with a decision and pretend there is no hidden information when you are fine with what is decided, that is called having double standards and shows incapacity to make rational arguments.

Do you have proof that the guy isnt responsible with his duties? 

His declaration is proof that he choose to remain eating at a time of an emergency, which is what the public is clearly reacting against. The argument is not that he fails in all his duties, that is a strawman, the argument is that in this specific responsibility he assumed with his job he choose self gratification. If a doctor fails to check the allergy of a patient and kills him by giving him something he was allergic would he be fine as long as he do any of his other duties?

Basically, the article says that some unknown in exact percentage part of public was negative about this comment but it isnt very representative as to what the MAJORITY of the public actually thinks.

It does not have to be the majority (and according to other reports this seems to be the case) as long as a significative portion reacts negatively then he can expect negative consequences of his actions and declarations. He is not trying to get elected to his position, he is supposed to be serving the public at the best of his capacity and getting a significant part of it against him can make those in charge of putting him in charge think that other people are much better qualified for the position.

No, i just proved that i have a sense of humour:))) what about you? :)))

That does not change the fact that the example you said was so different from the situation was actually equivalent, trying to make fun of this mistake you made does not make it disappear.

What kind of decisions?

The decisions that come with his position. Do you believe his decisions are not important for the actions of the people under his responsibility? then you are saying he is irrelevant and should be fired because things would not change without him in charge.

thanks for the links i should check them out

"Important" people in Japan being ignorant/foolish/full of themselves enough to make terribly stupid declarations is too common to be surprised for just another example.

"I had been looking forward to eating a delicious bowl of grilled eel rice. I was just about to start eating when I received a call from the National Police Agency”

Wasn’t that a Seinfeld bit?

Where Elaine heard her boyfriend was in an accident, but stopped to buy a box of jujifruit?

Sometimes when you hear silly news about Japan, you kinda wish it were all a sitcom. Unfortunately though, this is reality, and apparently a lot of pettiness exists.

I mean, he was right there at the bowl. And in another prefecture. What was he supposed to do, NOT eat the unagi and run? What difference would that have made?

You can't deny that Kochi eel is delicious. I'd have done the same thing knowing that it was only a smoke bomb and Kishida was fine and dandy.

I mean una-don is pretty expensive and delicious. I totally get it.

"He has no sense of tension or responsibility toward his duties, and it shows the slackness of the Kishida government," Koike said.

This can help understanding how come that after so many months have passed since the attack that caused Shizo Abe's death there was such a lapse of security for the Prime Minister. People in charge just have to announce they did something, even if nothing actually useful has been done and then keep eating their meals as if they already did their jobs.

This is what’s wrong with people today

I'm pretty sure you know that you have continuously gone against expert advice. Or least said you have.

Hoe can you criticise this man for his actions, he’s an expert?

First, what makes you think he is an expert? having a position is not evidence of expertise, that would come from activities that support that expertise. Second, the criticism about his actions and declarations is not something he can excuse based on his supposed expertise, he has made no attempt to explain why he considered fine taking a course of action that the public could take very negatively was ok, and specially why he thought that bragging about it was not going to be taken in the same way.

rather than trusting in the experts they believe some guy on YouTube and criticise the experts with no evidence to back up their claims.

The evidence to criticize him is there for everybody to see and hear, it is his own declarations. Meanwhile the evidence of his expertise (and how it supposedly excuses a conduct justifiably taken as inappropriate) is only something you want to assume it exist.

Methinks he'll wriggle out of this one.

Come on, everyone of us, including opposition, would have done the same. And of course it only could be handled beforehand , by bag controls or metal detectors for example , and only at that specific location, not by a phone call to Kochi pref. afterwards and him quickly leaving the delicious eel rice bowl.

They take things way too seriously here. The man wasn't even near the scene of the incident. I really feel like Japan will be the first country to invent a teleportation machine so that they can "get there faster" and do nothing.

I mean una-don is pretty expensive and delicious. I totally get it.

So do I, even if he wasted a perfect bowl of grilled eels, it wouldn't change anything.

I always secretly frown upon those workers sitting in the office after hours, being totally non-productive but looking very productive.

But I concur, the right thing to in Japan is to act like it's a bigger deal than a good eel bowl, hop onto the next train and furiously call everyone so they know you're on the job 24/7.

One wonder how such a person became chief in the first place ?????

Probably deep in thought and nothing will change, so just another media character 'assassination' effort, seems he needs to step up his PR & payout strategies!

The guy sounds like he’s on the spectrum but then again, the way Japanese is constructed makes everyone sound like they’re on the spectrum if you translate what they say into English literally.

Still nonsense, if your argument is that something may not be known that would make it impossible to decide anything (because it is always possible) if your argument is that there is information that exculpates the public servant then present it. What you can't argue is to selectively consider this possibility only when you don't agree with a decision and pretend there is no hidden information when you are fine with what is decided, that is called having double standards and shows incapacity to make rational arguments.

This is complete nonsense, and irrational.

Regardless, congrats to his finishing his food, knowing that improvements to security were in place and as a result the police were able to quickly apprehend the suspect, and Kishida and the spectators escaped without injury.

Yikes. Japanese government officials find funny, unique ways to look awful and irresponsible.

Another politician with their finger on the pulse.

Delicious grilled eel rice just comes with the cushy job. He's only human (and hungry) and attacking him is just making a storm out of a rice bowl, or a nothing-burger that politicians like to chow down on.

Since security made numerous changes after Abe was shot, and thanks to the security measures taken to protect Kishida, who escaped unharmed, let the poor guy finish his dinner.

The police have a handle on things.

Here we go

the media will all latch on to this and crucify the guy because that’s what the media does these days

You'd think the opposition would have a mountain of powerful ammunition against the corrupt, incompetent and embedded ruling party that cavorts with all kinds of undesirables rather than picking up on this minor slothfulness. It just looks petty. Get your act together, for everyone's sake.

Do mean the party that delivered both peace and prosperity to Japanese people? You are living in Japan is testament to fact how well Japan is doing. You would not be living otherwise? Right?

"I made sure to eat the bowl of eel rice,"

Of course he did. Why do his job when he'd never be held accountable for not doing it anyway? The only thing that MIGHT get him in trouble is if other nations coming to Hiroshima express concern about his ability to do his job, and then the man will just be reshuffled to the environment industry or something.

"Hmmm... what to do...what to do...?" Munch..munch... oishii.

S

Ha!

I am really really overjoyed now!

Its been awhile since Ive spotted such an inspiring and uplifting news on JT!!!

My opinion, he probably knew about it and didnt care!

Exactly!

I find it funny how so little people get the context out of all this thing - that’s exactly the reason probably Japan keep electing the same people being fooled by their antics.

The guy is probably one of the most talented, professional, wise and inspiring officials Japan is lucky to have but little seem to recognize it. And I suspect the guy will keep getting targeted because of his integrity and ability to see things as they truly are. a delicious food shouldnt be wasted for a lame act!

Of course he finished eating. If he had been taking a shower when he got the call would he turn off the water if his hair was lathered in shampoo? The incident was over, police handled it quickly, and no one was hurt, thanks to enhanced security measures.

True, and very well put.

virusrex

everything depends on a true state of things behind what is presented to society. If, for example, someone powerful needs sth viral to boost their ratings and devices a dishonest strategy so the people around are pressured to play along the act, should the guy who kept eating take all responsibility? Moreover, i have my doubts that PS chief has influence over who is in PM’s security team and what their actions are. By law, he should have but de facto, i think he doesn’t:)

virusrex

it is still perfectly valid to make conclusions based only on what is known

I dont think it would be valid. For example, is it like when russia claims there are nazis in Ukraine and it needs to ‘liberate’ people so it is perfectly valid to make a conclusion thats how things exactly are?

he made a consious decision not to attend his post in an emergency, even fully knowing how it would be seen

I see you are deeply worried about PS chief reputation and how his actions would be seen but lets analyze it in different way - if for example he rushes to PM right away what will he do there, after everythings over? The only thing he can do is say ‘MrKishida, daijobu deska? Are you not hurt?’ And that would be it.

Your example with hospital director is way too invalid because the main function of a hospital director is management! For rushing forth and saving he has his subordinates - doctors in the emergency department! A hospital director cant rush to each patient just to ask ‘Daijobu deska?!’ And if he only rushes to a Vip that already smells like dishonesty.

In reality the PS chief had no idea if the incident was already over or what other things could be happening, still he choose to enjoy his time leisurely and let others take care of what was still happening. 

First of all, he enjoyed his meal because i suppose it was a meal time, its not like he enjoyed himself at a spa or onsen or hostclub, he was away on bussiness too. Its just happens that he could afford a delicious meal, but i suppose PM also can afford a delicious meal and there were lots of times when he was enjoying his meals while sth happened and he still kept eating as well its just we dont know about it. Secondly, isnt it their job in the first place, to take care of things? By those others. Isnt what they get their salary for? Isnt it how its supposed to be when you are in high management? You create a system, give people responsibilities because you cant be everywhere at the same time and do everything by yourself. Everyone should have their job done at their place of location. You cant possibly demand one person to prevent the end of the world by arriving at the place.

That would be YOUR example, in mine all available information is to be taken into account, you are the one that only listen to one single source and pretend that is the whole of the information available, which makes no sense. You want to say there are information that excuplates the safety chief? then present it, else the "possibility" of this supposed information is not enough, because (again) it would mean there is no conclusion possible about anything because there is always this possibility.

Havent you ever suspected that there are always things that are hidden from official presentation? Even though you like making definite conclusions on whats officially presented so much, dont you think life and truth are not just about making conclusions on available information?

Nobody forced him to be a public servant, so if he obviously is taking the power and benefits of his position then he has to take also the flack and responsibilities of his actions. There is nothing wrong with accepting everything that comes with the job instead of just the good and pretend the difficult part do not exist. All jobs are like that.

His work is to become available in extraordinary circumstances like in the attack, he simply choose not to do his duty and instead enjoy himself as if he was not in his position.

Do you have proof that the guy isnt responsible with his duties? Your argument simply blackens the person’s competence simply because of this one comment and incident. You dont possibly know if hes failing with all his other duties, do you? If he wasnt available in this situation that means he didnt see it as truly dangerous I think and for that, Im sure, the guy had strong reasons.

No, I make the argument that the article is the one saying this is how the public reacted and that there is nothing wrong with it, you have read it right

Basically, the article says that some unknown in exact percentage part of public was negative about this comment but it isnt very representative as to what the MAJORITY of the public actually thinks. Also, if you can remember that articles are often written for political purposes... :)))

even if its majority nothing can be done, most people not used to political games and are often easily influenced by what is presented to them by the media.

And so you just proved that your criticism of the example is completely irrational and you simply did not understood that both cases are the same

No, i just proved that i have a sense of humour:))) what about you? :)))

Enough people able to take the decisions that he public safety chief can?

What kind of decisions? To protect, to give first aid, to apprehend a criminal? Isnt it what designated people should already be trained and know how to do and react accordingly? A police officer/bodyguard who only waits for a chief decision every moment and doesnt know how to react according to circumstance?

im sure PS chief makes all necessary decisions without it being public :)

that is nonsensical, the article you are commenting makes very clear the opinions about it are extremely negative, and so is the coverage in any other place you can find around. Pretending this is something nobody knows about so the public have no opinion about it is a terribly bad way to accept you have no argument against the obvious negative perception of the chief actions by the public.

Oke

thanks for the links i should check them out

as whether PS chief is disconnected from reality and public due to his power that i have my doubts about :)))

Virus

Hoe can you criticise this man for his actions, he’s an expert? He knows the details and was privy to information unknown to the general public. This is what’s wrong with people today, rather than trusting in the experts they believe some guy on YouTube and criticise the experts with no evidence to back up their claims.

It wouldn’t take long for the chap to eat his delicious meal, I would have done the same. A few minutes wouldn’t hurt, the incident was already over. I expect if I was in his shoes I’d have done the same, lol what am I like eh?

Your example is completely mistaken, because you are not making a conclusion based on what is known but based only one single thing that is supposedly known, without taking into account the myriad of many other things that contradicts that conclusion. In this case there is no such contradicting information, so it is perfectly valid to conclude something unless you can present that contradicting information that leads to a different conclusion.

Your example is completely mistaken as well, since you are not able to acknowledge other possibilities and only take into account what is presented to you by authorities/lies on the surfaces/suits your political views/etc etc etc. you say, the man who kept eating a delicious meal and was honest about it is viewed how by 3 different people - one is a common citizen who is far from politics and legal circles, second is a person who’s well versed in politics but neutral, and the third one is a pro governmental ruling party biased loyal follower? I hope finding the answer to this question will help you find more non-contradicting information :)))

Mainly take decisions based on the best available information and specially demonstrate that he takes his duty (and whatever actions he may be able to do, even if waiting is the most likely) much more seriously than self gratification. He showed the opposite, which is why his image suffered not in my eyes but on the public, which is the argument I made.

Well, is the key word here is ‘demonstrate’? Like an abiding loyal inu?

for all other practical issues there are already designated people and mechanisms in work.

moreover, earthquake assessments seem more important to me and to many other people too i think.

And you made your argument bearing that role of representing ALL public? Im sure, actual public would disagree :)))

Tani was not supposed to go around running trying to catch people or kicking doors to find more bombs, he was supposed to be taking his responsibility seriously, which he did not.

Taihen! I just imagined the guy doing exactly what you wrote! XD my mind is way too wild these days:) so, how did you conclude he is not taking the case seriously? Just because of one phrase and not making his routine duties a pr campaign?

That does nothing to excuse his lack of actions in an exceptional circumstance

Was it actually an exceptional circumstance?? That - we dont know! :))) besides, the criminal looked more like an actor, with perfect hairstyle and posing :)

excuse for you other people not doing their job in an emergency

Of course not! But i think there were enough people to take care of the PM emergency at that moment :)))

and he was found lacking in his attitude. He is a public servant and part of his job is to respond to the demands of the public in a reasonable way, 

Demands of the public, demands of PM and his followers are two different things. Unless you have a possibility to gather votes of ALL Japanese public on this matter dont you dare use the Public’s name for defending your personal views.

Sayonara :)

P.S. rather than blaming for the lack of responsibility try to think about that - why PS chief actually said this, very well knowing what effect they will have and how he will be seen, or do you think a person at such a high position lacks intelligence to realise the impact of his words? I dont think so, you probably too. So, try to think about the reason (apart from lacking responsibility) why he said what he said with no restrains?

On the other hand, what was he supposed to do? You'd think the opposition would have a mountain of powerful ammunition against the corrupt, incompetent and embedded ruling party that cavorts with all kinds of undesirables rather than picking up on this minor slothfulness. It just looks petty. Get your act together, for everyone's sake.

Still not as bad as Bush during 9/11 and continuing to read My Pet Goat...

On the other hand, what was he supposed to do? You'd think the opposition would have a mountain of powerful ammunition against the corrupt, incompetent and embedded ruling party that cavorts with all kinds of undesirables rather than picking up on this minor slothfulness. It just looks petty. Get your act together, for everyone's sake.

THIS!!! I couldn't agree more. Well said moon!