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Japan ready to become permanent U.N. Security Council member: Motegi

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The UN is a worthless, bloated, corrupt organization.

5 ( +24 / -19 )

Why not let the Group of Four in?

6 ( +11 / -5 )

You know what? Motegi’s got a good point there, about the realities of the 21st-century. Because yeah, especially countries like India and Brazil are really rising on the world stage, and definitely deserve permanent member status. And even know that these next two are still prominent players, it’s a big question as to how much longer Britain and France can truly hold big military status.

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Japan ready to become permanent U.N. Security Council member: Motegi

But what other countries really want Japan?

4 ( +17 / -13 )

As long as China is one of the 5 permanent UNSC countries they will veto any and all attempts by Japan.

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especially countries like India and Brazil are really rising on the world stage

Two countries that have people starving to death like India and Brazil deserve a seat?. Wow.

8 ( +15 / -7 )

It’s highly unlikely that Japan will ever become a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council. All the five current members are nuclear powers and Japan is not.

7 ( +15 / -8 )

Put WWII in the past. Japan is key to East Asian Security and should be a permanent member of the Council.

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Um, no. No it’s not. Being a permanent member implies taking on certain responsibilities ((which, I admit it seems that only the French are capable of doing lately).

Japan wants all the prestige and none of the heavy lifting. It doesn’t work like that.

9 ( +22 / -13 )

The current ""SO CALLED"" Security Council is made of 3 NATO allies and 2 Communists ruling the rest of the world. This 75 years old power structure was based on the results of WW2.

It is OBSOLETE, Corrupt, and a power hungry structure that needs to be deleted and put out of work.

The world has changed so much since WW2, Japan, India, Brazil, Australia, Germany, and many more nations are leading the world and contributing in so many positive ways but yet don't have the power that matches their contributions.

10 ( +18 / -8 )

@Meiyouwenti

It’s highly unlikely that Japan will ever become a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council. All the five current members are nuclear powers and Japan is not.

You sure Japan doesn't have nuclear capabilities? I was under the impression that Japan had similar capabilities as Israel.

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UN has outlived it's usefulness. Look to build strong bi-lateral alliances as Trump has shown anytghing that involves the US is built on rotten foundations.

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Japan wants all the prestige and none of the heavy lifting. It doesn’t work like that.

EXACTLY!! Well said!

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We all remember how the U.S. Manipulated and lied to the security council to invade Iraq. No ""weapons of Mass destruction"" the pretext used for invade Iraq has ever been found, It was a lie well articulated by Mr. Bush and his war mongers.

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How Dysfunctional is this council!?? Israel slammed the door in the face of every Security Council Resolution related to it's Occupation of Palestine with the U.S. support.

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Yay! Japan should be in all international conversations.

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"As long as China is one of the 5 permanent UNSC countries they will veto any and all attempts by Japan"

Hardly something new. The UN security council is a bunch of bullies with each country has its own gang. The US vetoed countless resolutions and attempts to condemn Israel's crimes and expansion of settlements.

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Kick China out, admit the Group of 4 AND Taiwan to the UN Security Council. Simple as that.

It’s highly unlikely that Japan will ever become a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council. All the five current members are nuclear powers and Japan is not.

@ Meiyouwenti - Having nuclear weapons shouldnt be a requirement to join. However, Japan - if and when Article 9 is erased - could have nuclear weapons ready within 2 years. Also, Japan should be ready to get many more "boots on the ground" in conflicts in Africa, Middle East etc if they are admitted. So much more military recruitment is needed (I suggest higher salaries to entice young Japanese to join).

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Hummm....

Well .......

On what basis was Security Council permanent membership granted?...

https://ask.un.org/faq/14518

So what are the prospects of Japan becoming permanent U.N. Security Council member?

Or any other state or country?

How close to zero?

0 ( +6 / -6 )

Japan is a small country compared to those four . . . why not stay with non permanent position?

0 ( +7 / -7 )

So Motegi has never heard of Chinese and Russian vetoes?

3 ( +12 / -9 )

With Japan's undetermined commitment to bilateral security operations (including armed conflict), in the region except when it comes to their Senkakus Islands, they cannot be considered (counted on) true partners in enforcing stability or countering bad actors (like China), in the region.

Japan would most likely hinder and obstruct decisions that need to be made in a timely manner, citing the need to have a deeper "Study" of an issue as they typically do.

Actually, Japan has very little to offer on the Counsel. What would they bring to the table that could not be provided by current members and their current security agreements with their allies?? What could Japan provide that the USA, UK, France, & Israel couldn't??

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It'll never happen.

6 ( +14 / -8 )

UN does not have any political power, especially during the present era of nationalism. Japan doesn't need to enter the Security Council at all and had better reduce the financial contribution, which Japan has owed too much. According to the recent CNN's investigation, "More than half (55%) of Japanese respondents had an unfavorable opinion of the international body (UN), while just under three in 10 people (29%) reported a favorable opinion." Many Japanese don't trust UN.

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Japan only ever does what the U.S. says so it would be pointless to give them a seat on the Security Council and if they did, they would also have to award a seat to somebody who was not under America's control to balance things out.

5 ( +15 / -10 )

Not going to happen.

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What has Japan ever done in international forums other than follow the US? If Japan doesn't have a distinct set of strengths, perspectives and interests a/w/a something to contribute other than support for US policy positions, it doesn't belong on the UNSC.

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U.N. member states "cannot be complacent with the status quo," he said in a video message,

 Where's he from, is he from Japan? He said that as if Japan's oyajis in high places in Japan don't reflect status quo at all?

-2 ( +5 / -7 )

Not in a million years...

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Japan will try vote buying their way in to UN too and will still fail...

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On one hand there is Suga pursuing strike capabilities and the other hand they are trying to join the U.N. peace council. A bit of a contradiction, don’t you think?

4 ( +12 / -8 )

Japan as A permanent member - no sorry there are too many unresolved domestic issues needing attention now. Too many OLD men running this J gov club. There are zero incentives for young Japanese to raise a new generation. The time of the dinosaurs is over

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Expressing Tokyo's willingness to take a leadership role in tackling pressing issues such as the global coronavirus pandemic, Motegi said....

Bah! First do something about the pandemic on your own bloody doorstep!

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With that logic Hustle. Does it matter if all The other nations have strike capabilities plus Nuclear Weapons? Is it a contradiction when they are part of U.N. Peace council? ... Look at that, no longer a contradiction using your own logic.

Japan is long overdue to join.

America failed already by not supporting Japan's Inclusion a long time ago.

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There is one thing that will make the current five permanent members vote together and that is colevtive protection of their status and privilege in the UN security council. They will not allow any new permanent members period.

There are probably 50 nations that could and would argue that they should be a permanent member with veto rights and letting any in would upset the rest and perhaps lead to a total collapse of the UN as the previous world body collapsed once members started to pull out.

The current world body is set. It will not sustain any major changes.

It may be time to end the UN and start from scratch building a fair, open and just planetary governing body, or Planetary Association. The United has always been missing from UN. It is always one side against another with those not wanting to be on either side abstaining.

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Today UN is irrelevant. The presence of Britian and France as permanent members does not make any sense.

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I agree that it needs to be expanded but Japan - a leadership role? That was funny! Don't tell me, a leadership role in migrant problems, racial and religious discrimination, gender equality. I'd put Germany way ahead when it comes to leadership, know-how and experience.

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Graham DeShazoToday  08:05 am JST

Um, no. No it’s not. Being a permanent member implies taking on certain responsibilities ((which, I admit it seems that only the French are capable of doing lately).

Japan wants all the prestige and none of the heavy lifting. It doesn’t work like that.

You have that backwards. Japan is already doing the heavy lifting without the prestige.

Japan is the second biggest contributor to the UN budget.

https://www.globalpolicy.org/un-finance/tables-and-charts-on-un-finance/27506-top-ten-providers-to-the-un-budgets.html

Japan is the third largest contributor to UN Peace Keeping Operations.

https://peacekeeping.un.org/en/how-we-are-funded

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We are all here ready too to become permanent billionaires, world leaders, scientists like Nobel prize recipients or whatever. But who really cares? lol

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The only reason Japan wants to be a member of UN is the badge, like boy scout badges to show off.

China and Russia will never allow Japan to become a member. But there might be a way and that is for Suga to crawl on his knees all the way Xi's toilet and open his mouth and wait for Xi to take dump in there and afterward lickit it all up nice and clean and then do the same to Putin, and he shouldn't forget to bring a big suitcase of cash.

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Russia has become a third-world country with a powerful military. Makes more sense for Japan to have a permanent seat than Russia.

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Ready? Yeah. But that's not how it works.

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Russia has become a third-world country with a powerful military.

The economy of the USSR was just as backward and third world. Everything was in short supply. The old saying was that if you saw a line you got in it because a state owned store was selling something you probably needed and if you didn't get it now it would soon be sold out and not available again for a long time. They were building wringer washing machines right up until the end. Ever see a Soviet era camera or car? Most of the third world had access to better consumer products than the Soviets offered their people.

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So long as Japan remains a U.S. vassal state, it ain't gonna happen.

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Kick China out, admit the Group of 4 AND Taiwan to the UN Security Council. Simple as that.

Japanese nationalists are nowadays among the most delusional ones as the Chinese Wumaos.

First, it is impossible because China pretty much got all other non-permanent members on its side.

Secondly, the West wouldn't have that in mind.

Thirdly, Russia doesn't want Japan on the group either.

Japan wants all the prestige and none of the heavy lifting. It doesn’t work like that.

Precisely. Japan hasn't been ass-kissing the USA as much as the UK did. Trump is right at one thing about Japan that her people only consume the USDs at the losses of American economy, while Japanese people don't pay back through buying American goods. The UK at least bought a lot of American goods, while Japan had a huge trade deficit with the USA.

Japan does all the eatings but none of the fighting or giving back at all! The wild parties of 1980s were all about consuming the precious American dollars that the USA subsidized for Japan through favorable export conditions.

Today UN is irrelevant. The presence of Britian and France as permanent members does not make any sense.

France actually still has its colonial empire in Africa and America. France has a nuclear aircraft carrier, and knows how to create a few more.

Meanwhile, the UK has none of the empire nor nuclear aircraft carrier. The British Commonwealth is all the name but the real power lies in the USA through the Five Eyes.

they would also have to award a seat to somebody who was not under America's control to balance things out.

Very accurate. The UK is already an American puppet. Aside China and Russia, France would not be happy if an another American puppet enters the UNSC. France has its own independent interests against those pesky Yankees.

One puppet is far more than enough.

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So long as Japan remains a U.S. vassal state

Where do these nonsensical ideas come from? If you believe the Republicans it is the US that is the vassal of it's rapacious trading partners and not the other way around. The reality is far more subtle.

The US uses its trade partners and they use the US. The US has a trade deficit only because it runs a current accounts deficit. Those T-Bills the US sells become the very means by which US trade partners maintain their edge in trade. Without all those T-Bills for sale, there would be nothing with which to soak up the excess US dollars earned from their trade surpluses with the US. As Dollars piled up in surplus they would lose their value in trade and this would reduce the price of US goods abroad while simultaneously making foreign goods more expensive in the US. The trade imbalance would be self correcting over time. Instead the US has ready customers for its debt, allowing it to spend far more than it collects in revenues. Cheap imports keep consumer inflation down and everybody is happy. That is how the US has played the game since the Reagan administration. The price of, cough cough, "free trade" with the US is agreeing to buy US debt. If anything the US is a vassal to its own internal greed and a political party for which the solution to every dilemma is a tax cut. Don't blame Japan or anybody else for that or for the resulting trade deficit. It is a problem the US created and it is a problem only the US can solve, by running budget surpluses for a long long time.

-6 ( +6 / -12 )

I don't know any solutions to the disfunction of the UN.

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

Why bother.

Russia and China would never allow Japan a seat.

Besides, Japan would probably have to cough up more.

Best let others waste their resources.

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