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Japan says it is ready to build all submarines for Canberra in Australia

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By Tim Kelly and Nobuhiro Kubo

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There's no sea in Canberra mate!

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I have a feeling there will be a twist in which MHI and KHI will only allow non-union workers to join in training.

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@Ricky KaminskiOCT. 02, 2015 - 08:47AM JST Toshiko, Australia aint America. Its not paranoia, its 17 years in your country watching one bad decision after another. We have a saying in Australia. " Couldn't organise a pissup in a brewry" .

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You say Australians never can be trained outside of Australia?

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The best Submarine option for Australia was Japanese Submarine because Japanese Submarine uses US weapons and also Australia uses US weapons. So the sub doesn't need to modify for weapons. Also only Japanese Submarine was bigger and dive deeper and more advance than other European rivals because the European Submarine builders are yet to be built one big submarine when Japan was already have it and operating, the size Australian Navy needed.

Japanese Submarines are Stealth sub and now France Company has offered stealth sub to Australia. Also the France Company has offered its will transfer Stealth technology to Australia Submarine Corporation. France Company wants to build half in France and half in Australia with difference price which add 30% on top of the price for build in Australia Sub. I think France was on the track with what Australia Submarine Corporation and current Government want except building half of Sub in France.

Former PM Tony Abbott was very keen to buy Japanese build submarines because it was cheaper than building Sub in Australia. Also the ability of Sub and advance Submarine technology of Japanese Submarine are superior to current Europeans' Sub.

I think the Australia Submarine Corporation doesn't need Stealth Technology because Australia can't compete with other nations to sale built in Australia Submarines to other countries. Australia needs to save billions of dollars from building Sub in Australia. Also Australia will not be able to sale single Made in Australia Warship or Submarine because labor cost is very expensive and doesn’t have complete technology for advance Warship and Submarine.

Australia Collin Class Submarine budget was blow out and untested technology was big trouble in Sub. The Collins-class submarines experienced a wide range of problems during their construction and it entire service life.

The cost of building three new Air Warfare Destroyers for the Australian Navy has blown out to over $ 10 billion, putting the project more than $1.2 billion over budget and delay by 30 months. Also they have technology problems in that Air Warfare Destroyer. The same specification ship can buy $ 1 billion each. Now the Air Warfare Destroyer cost $ 3.5 billions each.

Building Warship and Submarine in Australia can cost 3 times more expensive than buying ready made Submarines from Japan.

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The US endorsed this deal advising the Australians that Japanese subs were the most safest bet.

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An Australia-Japan military business makes since.... regional and cohesive for the future. The US will be watching this one closely.

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Sure there is. For one, there's the day to day exchange between the supplier and customer. Just that alone, would be enough to make Australia not choose Japan. The Japanese inability to work with non Japanese is well known.

Idiotic comment. Do you have any clues to how many Japanese firms are there overseas? In Australia alone, there are over 700 firms. You simply don't get that kind of number if Japanese such "inability" exists.

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There is no reason to believe that Germany has any advatange in the bidding.

Sure there is. For one, there's the day to day exchange between the supplier and customer. Just that alone, would be enough to make Australia not choose Japan. The Japanese inability to work with non Japanese is well known.

Australia is a Pacific country and logistics is crucial to military operations.

Even more important than that is communication, transparentness, and efficiency. NONE of which Japan has.

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Toshiko, Australia aint America. Its not paranoia, its 17 years in your country watching one bad decision after another. We have a saying in Australia. " Couldn't organise a pissup in a brewry" .

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Aly RustomOct. 01, 2015 - 12:08PM JST Didn't the Japanese previously say that the Australians don't have the skill to build the machines? Now are they >backtracking just to get the deal?

They're still saying it, Read carefully, "Tokyo was willing to train hundreds of Australian engineers in Japan’s submarine-manufacturing hub of Kobe as well as in Australia"

Australia is a Pacific country and logistics is crucial to military operations. There is no reason to believe that Germany has any advatange in the bidding.

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@Ricky KaminskiOCT. 01, 2015 - 10:00AM JST Tokyo was willing to train hundreds of Australian engineers in Japan’s submarine-manufacturing hub of Kobe .

I'd like to be a fly on the wall during that! Imagine the collision of cultures during those sessions! Do you think they could pull it off? Reckon itd be the making for a great sid com.

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Don't be paranoia. A majority of Japan Inc have been doing this for many decades. Americans in Japan, Japanese in America.

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@Aly RustomOCT. 01, 2015 - 12:08PM JST

Didn't the Japanese previously say that the Australians don't have the skill to build the machines? Now are they backtracking just to get the deal?

More like they are starting to understand that pleasant lies win the day, while honesty doesn't. Australia, you made your bed, I hope for everyone's sake you don't have to lie in it.

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Didn't the Japanese previously say that the Australians don't have the skill to build the machines? Now are they backtracking just to get the deal?

I personally believe that Germany would be the best choice and my money is on them getting it.

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Tokyo was willing to train hundreds of Australian engineers

There's willing. And there's able...

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So I guess the fear of espionage is off the table (cough).

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nigelboy

Puzzling comment.

In a normal context, I'd agree, but considering the source, I'd be inclined to expect it. And be proven right again.

Getting back to the article this is a dumb move. There is a reason why Australian manufacturer industry became a dumpster.

I agree this is a major concern for the reason you have stated.

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I'd like to see the Japanese make the submarines in Canberra.

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Tokyo was willing to train hundreds of Australian engineers in Japan’s submarine-manufacturing hub of Kobe .

I'd like to be a fly on the wall during that! Imagine the collision of cultures during those sessions! Do you think they could pull it off? Reckon itd be the making for a great sid com.

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This is why Abe was so keen to change the constitution. It had very little to do with regional security, as he kept spouting. It is al about getting a slice of the international arms trade.

Puzzling comment. The new security laws has absolutely nothing with this.

Getting back to the articlem this is a dumb move. There is a reason why Australian manufacturer industry became a dumpster.

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This is why Abe was so keen to change the constitution. It had very little to do with regional security, as he kept spouting. It is al about getting a slice of the international arms trade.

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