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Japan signs agreement to purchase 400 Tomahawk missiles from U.S.

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$2.35 billion? For boy toys that will never be used. Just think what Japan could do with that money to make life better for its people instead of US arms manufacturers.

-6 ( +21 / -27 )

Hey, it's Rahm Emanuel! Everyone looks pleased as punch.

-3 ( +11 / -14 )

With the weak yen, that's right time to buy things from abroad? Will Japan really use those?

-9 ( +12 / -21 )

Mr Kipling, totally agree. A complete waste of money.

-5 ( +16 / -21 )

It’s part of protection money a vassal state has to pay its colonial master. Japan can’t say no to the deal.

-6 ( +13 / -19 )

@Mr Kipling

For boy toys that will never be used. 

In an actual war, that will be used in an hour or something.

Japan needs to stockpile 10,000 rounds of ballistic and cruise missiles like Korea does.

Unfortunately, Korea can afford 10,000 missiles because it builds all of them, while Japan has to import them from abroad due to Japan's inability to develop and manufacture highly advanced weapons.

-23 ( +4 / -27 )

US business at its finest. Japan is a radio-controlled country...

look at Rahm Emanuel on the photo, making sure the Japanese puppets are signing the missile purchase.

-12 ( +11 / -23 )

Japan is such a wealthy country, it can easily spend trillions of taxpayer yen on missiles from the RS of the USA, whilst spending a few yen on disaster recovery.

-8 ( +8 / -16 )

Military capability is deterrence. Deterrence is what keeps the peace. Without that peace, that money, even if not spent on military capability, would have nowhere to be used.

For all the vassal-criers, the US has been trying to get Japan to fully rearm since 1950 without sucess. It is only the behavior of the China, Russia, North Korea crowd that has literally forced Japan to up it's defense game.

The only influence that the US has injected is the fear by Japan and all US Allies that the wrong person in the White House might upset the present alliance structure.

Folks need to think more than jumping to write. Comments about Kamikaze are simply stupid and utterly irrelevant,

5 ( +15 / -10 )

OssanAmericaToday  09:10 am JST

Deterrence.

in this case North Korea became a peace protector leader.

-15 ( +3 / -18 )

Someone is making big money and it's NOT the average tax payer.

-3 ( +9 / -12 )

The US military industrial complex appreciates the underlings co-operation and looks forward to more future purchases by Japanese taxpayers. Yoroshiku onegaishimasu. Meanwhile pensioners in Japan are freezing to death whilst government cries poor about not having enough financial resources for the aging population.

https://japantoday.com/category/national/couple in their 80s apparently freeze to death in tokyo apartment

Money well spent, cough. As expected the neocons and their pro military fanboys continue their tirade about the fictional NK/ China threat to attack Japan. In addition to JSDF, the large number of US bases, weapons and personel on these islands are a more than a strong enough deterrant to the neighbors , that is one of the main justifications for having them here after all, isnt it.

-7 ( +5 / -12 )

@OA That's an interesting string of logic which I have not encountered before. Are you suggesting that the Japanese government pulled the plug on this because they are worried about Trump getting back in office? In which case he might choose to not defend Japan and then, somehow, 400 missiles is enough to dissuade the fantasy Chinese invasion of Okinawa for example?

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

earthquake victims and the homeless will appreciate the GOV protection...

-9 ( +7 / -16 )

As expected the neocons and their pro military fanboys continue their tirade about the fictional NK/ China threat to attack Japan. 

Right, because the missiles North Korea keeps shooting in the direction of Japan are actually full of toys and candy… totally not a threat at all…

5 ( +11 / -6 )

Mr KiplingToday 07:12 am JST

$2.35 billion? For boy toys that will never be used.

Yes, I hope they're never used too. That's a good thing: it means China or North Korea haven't started a war, as Japan's and the US's deterrence -- via initiatives such as this -- was strong enough.

7 ( +14 / -7 )

The long range capabilities of the tomahawk certainly are a game changer for the Japanese military.

4 ( +9 / -5 )

Right, because the missiles North Korea keeps shooting in the direction of Japan are actually full of toys and candy… totally not a threat at all…

Where are they supposed to shoot them if not into the sea? Dont other countries test fire missiles into the water?

Besides Kimbo might be delusional but he is not suicidal. NK has nothing to gain but everything to loose if they attacked Japan. Its a non starter.

-6 ( +3 / -9 )

Remember the post WW2 Constitution, written ostensibly by the USA....

"Japan must never again be able to wage war " were words used ,possibly by MacArthur .

It was a good thing. What has happened ?

US so spooked by the natural rise of China as a world power it is running around creating allegiances with countries in the areas that surround China.

Japan should chart it's own course on defence matters.

And I expect blowback from American ex servicemen, on this forum.

But isnt independent defence status a policy of Trump, for the USA ?

-5 ( +8 / -13 )

Japan signs agreement to waste $2.4B in taxpayer money.

There, fixed the title for ya!

-7 ( +8 / -15 )

Where are they supposed to shoot them if not into the sea? Dont other countries test fire missiles into the water?

Not over Japan would probably be a good start if they don’t want to come across as threatening. Is North Korea shooting missiles over Japan not considered a security threat in your opinion?

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

Dear Japan, instead of invest in your own people, why do you feed the beast who only want to take advantage of you???..

-9 ( +5 / -14 )

OssanAmerica

"It is only the behavior of the China,

Russia, North Korea crowd that has literally forced Japan to up it's defense game"

Show me where Russia threatens Japan? Rather, Japan took the path of refusing to restore good neighborly relations with Russia, which were already very fragile and young. But due to well-known political events that are taking place in the world, Japan has decided in its own way what place it will take in the geopolitical issue.

-10 ( +2 / -12 )

Remember the post WW2 Constitution, written ostensibly by the USA....

"Japan must never again be able to wage war " were words used ,possibly by MacArthur .

It was a good thing. What has happened ?

Missiles can be used in defensive capacities and are perfectly in line with Japan’s constitution.

US so spooked by the natural rise of China as a world power it is running around creating allegiances with countries in the areas that surround China.

China is falling now sorry to break it to you. Demographic problems and an aging population are destroying China

Japan should chart it's own course on defence matters.

Is the US forcing Japan to buy missiles?

But isnt independent defence status a policy of Trump, for the USA ?

Trump isn’t president bro so I’m not sure why you’re talking about him

2 ( +8 / -6 )

Yes, you’re all correct, it’s easier to just learn to speak chinese.

-8 ( +1 / -9 )

Unfortunately, Korea can afford 10,000 missiles because it builds all of them, while Japan has to import them from abroad due to Japan's inability to develop and manufacture highly advanced

South Korea doesn't have 10,000 cruise missiles. You are confusing their much less costly battlefield rockets and ballistic missiles, which are quite numerous, with cruise missiles.

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TokyoLivingToday 10:19 am JST

Dear Japan, instead of invest in your own people

Japan is investing in its own people, and also their protection at the same time. The two are not mutually exclusive.

why do you feed the beast who only want to take advantage of you???..

If Japan feels it is being taken advantage of, its people and government would not renew the US alliance. That they do not suggests they see value in it. Were the US forces not there, China would swoop in in a heartbeat.

nikToday 10:31 am JST

Show me where Russia threatens Japan?

Just off the top of my head: by occupying its islands, by its informal alliances with China and North Korea, by its cyberattacks, and in economic areas like its political seafood ban.

7 ( +12 / -5 )

China is falling now sorry to break it to you. Demographic problems and an aging population are destroying China

That is the symptom but not the cause. China is currently cursed with perhaps the least capable government in terms of its ability to deal with socioeconomic problems that they have had since the days of Mao. He can exhort his people to have families until he is blue in the face but the CCP under Xi is rigidly orthodox and doesn't have a creative policy apparatus able to solve their problems. Banning abortion as the CCP recently did isn't going to affect the cost of raising a child in China today nor does it affect the growing movement to "lay flat" and not marry or have kids.

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Ramsey's KitchenToday 10:05 am JST

Besides Kimbo might be delusional but he is not suicidal. NK has nothing to gain but everything to loose if they attacked Japan. Its a non starter.

You say Kim might be delusional, and I would agree with you. It is precisely for this reason that he can't be trusted, so countries must prepare for the worst. We are, after all, talking about a leader who is literally starving a large portion of the population to death with his military-first policy.

Japan is doing the correct thing. Given that its neighbors are NK, China, and Russia, it is Japan lowering its defenses that would be "suicidal."

2 ( +7 / -5 )

If you want Peace, you must prepare for war. All societies believe that the Sun will always be there in the sky. Or that tomorrow is just 24 hours away.

Doesn't work that way. Your way is life is preserved by the men and women who protect your borders. Ignore this and suffer a rude awakening.

2 ( +5 / -3 )

Considering the changes going on in the neighborhood, it sounds like the sound move and also a smart move.

4 ( +7 / -3 )

thank you Japan and US. With the Tomahawk in hand, commies will think twice again and again, before they launch any foolish actions on Okinawa, Senkaku, Taiwan or even SK. For all the high-ranking officers in beijing who like to torture their own civilians and take others' territories as theirs, when they enjoy their super luxurious meals in brothels, Tomahawk might be on their head anytime, without any warning.

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@Desert Tortoise

South Korea doesn't have 10,000 cruise missiles. You are confusing their much less costly battlefield rockets and ballistic missiles, which are quite numerous, with cruise missiles.

The ROK ammunition stockpile.

1) Ballistic & Cruise missiles : 10,000

2) MLRS Rockets : 1 million rounds

3) Artillery Shells : 10 million rounds, 6 million 155mm + 4 million 105mm.

I will give you an example.

Currently Hyunmoo V is set for the initial production run of 300, 200 for the army and 100 for the navy. This is the humongous super duper monster missile with a 9-ton warhead.

The ROK Army fields several times that number for each one of smaller sized ballistic missile types.

Then there are cruise missiles also numbering several thousands.

In all, the ROK military OFFICIALLY says they have more missiles than North Korea. Unofficially, it's around 10,000 missiles. They need more missiles than North Korea to turn Pyongyang(Or Tokyo) into sea of fire without nukes.

As for the stockpile of 10 million rounds, the very fact that the ROK was able to give more 155mm rounds(about 1 million) to Ukraine than all of Europe combined without affecting the combat readiness is a testimony of the massive stockpile of the ROK military.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/07/south-korea-completes-hyunmoo-v-ballistic-missile-development/

South Korean officials recently claimed that the Hyunmoo-V (현무-V) underwent test launches earlier this year and that its development is completed. Starting from the end of this year, Hanwha Aerospace will commence mass production, with a maximum capacity of 70 units per year. The ROK military plans to field up to 200 missiles with the Missile Command Headquarters. Additionally, they are planning to equip the upcoming Joint Strike Ship, which is currently undergoing conceptual design by Hanwha Ocean, with the Hyunmoo-V missile.

https://www.technology.org/2023/12/08/more-than-the-entire-eu-combined-which-country-became-the-largest-supplier-of-artillery-shells-to-ukraine/

“More Than the Entire EU Combined.” Which Country Became the Largest Supplier of Artillery Shells to Ukraine?

*Posted *December 8, 2023

Contrary to some earlier predictions, South Korea has transferred more artillery shells to Ukraine than all the EU countries combined.

-8 ( +1 / -9 )

GuruMickToday 10:10 am JST

And I expect blowback from American ex servicemen, on this forum.

But isnt independent defence status a policy of Trump, for the USA ?

In the US we know full well that Trump surrenders abroad, and does nothing positive for the USA.

2 ( +7 / -5 )

400 missiles would be unnecessary. Not sure how many is enough. J-government seems very afraid if it doesn't have extra enough missiles. It is just like they are very afraid if they don't have guns home though everyone has guns.

-6 ( +0 / -6 )

And you still think the ROK's stockpile of 10,000 missiles is excessive? You need it to fight a nuclear armed enemy. 400 Tomahawks is a drop in a bucket in Japan's needs.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68027356

N Korea conducts 'underwater nuclear weapons system' test - state media

North Korea says it has tested an "underwater nuclear weapons system" in response to joint military drills by the US, South Korea and Japan, according to state media reports.

The test of the "Haeil-5-23", a name North Korea has given to its nuclear-capable underwater attack drones, took place in waters off its east coast.

-8 ( +0 / -8 )

Sign of the times, especially growing power of NK especially due to their many new military capabilities they've been 'gifted' by China and Russia.

NK's their new preferred proxy munitions supplier. The US NATO Ukraine proxy war rapidly spreading to all corners of the world. Japan has no choice but to up its military capabilities.

-2 ( +4 / -6 )

Mr KiplingL

$2.35 billion? For boy toys that will never be used.

Japan needs more weapons as a deterrent so that they will not be used.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

Here are some of the figures, etc., that should be taken into consideration in relation to the Tomahawk purchase.                                                              

The estimated total amount of damages caused by the Noto earthquake: 8,163 billion Yen.

How much has the U.S. promised Japan for a disaster relief? For 100 thousand dollars or about 14.5million Yen.

How much is the Tomahawk deal? 250 billion Yen.

What does Article 9 of the Japanese constitution say?

U.S. Ambassador to Japan Rham Emanuel’s contended look seems to me to tell everything.

-3 ( +5 / -8 )

Japan needs more weapons as a deterrent so that they will not be used.

Aren't all the US bases deterrent enough? Isn't that why they are supposedly here?

In the US we know full well that Trump surrenders abroad, and does nothing positive for the USA.

And yet the orange hairdo chief is even or slightly ahead of Biden in most of the latest polls. Many American voters obviously disagree.

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

Very interesting to notice the difference in posts. Those heavily pro China or Pro Russia all to a person exhort that this is bad, useless and a waste of money. All while China and Russia continue to manufacture arms at break neck speed. They make no comments on that, or if they do it is to support it.

On the other hand, the supporters of Japan and the rules based order all say it is necessary to oppose the intentions of hostile neighbors, but also they need more and should be making them in Japanese factories.

In this day and age where wars are getting bigger and drawing in more nations, it is clearly advantageous to have stockpiles of missiles and drones in the event of becoming embroiled in a conflict. If only it was not required, if people could work out issues without invasions, without attacks. But it seems the leaders of many nations around the world with many weapons have no tolerance or ability to compromise or resolve without first fighting.

Until leaders show a willingness for peace over war there is a need to prepare, even for Japan. I too believe Japan should be making as much themselves as they can. Not because buying off others is expensive, but because the more factories producing the same weapons makes arming yourself and allies easier and faster. It also makes it more difficult to fully stop production when they are made across the globe in many nations who each have a number of factories that can produce them.

Smart move Japan. But make them under license and do it fast.

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@Samit

Unfortunately, Korea can afford 10,000 missiles because it builds all of them, while Japan

You said "unfortunately" but it's the other way around. Fortunately for us, those are weapons to be used against the common enemies that the allies Japan and Korea face together.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

LDP government reduces disaster-prevention budget to buy amount of old fashioned cruise missiles, such politics caused to expand damage by Noto peninsula quake, and increasing victim at poor evacuation places as ever.

What LDP regime want to defend is never general citizen.

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

good investment. Japan will soon become a powder keg if it follows this policy. Buy as many as you can use.

-8 ( +0 / -8 )

There were several government workers in front of a supermarket today taking donations to help the Noto peninsula victims.

Shouldn't the money for the weapons be used first to help these people? We don't need weapons we need support for the Japanese taxpayer.

-5 ( +1 / -6 )

so what Japan will do with these in recent stock?what a huge waste of taxpayers money.great business for a few-misery for millions...

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

So much for the anti-war clause of the Japanese Constitution. Kowtowing to war mongers is more important than lofty principles.

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

The ROK ammunition stockpile.

1) Ballistic & Cruise missiles : 10,000

Exactly what I said. You included a lot of inexpensive ballistic missiles in your count. The US has tens of thousands of ATACMs and hundreds of thousands of MLRS rounds in different configurations because solid fuel rockets are inexpensive to make and require no maintenance afterwards. Cruise missiles are vastly more expensive to buy and require expensive periodic maintenance. Jet fuel cannot sit forever, seals saturate and leak, hoses have to be replaced, etc.

If you look at unclassified budget documents the US seldom buys more than 3,000 to 4,000 of any of its cruise missile types due to cost and it takes a decade of production to reach those numbers. And some like Penguin turn out to be so expensive to own the US stops buying them after only buying a hundred. There are no publicly available numbers of how many Haeseong I, II, III and Hyunmoo-3 series cruise missiles South Korea has but it sure as heck isn't 10,000. I would be surprised if they have more than 1,000. Nobody's cruise missile is cheap.

Also do not confuse the solid fuel ballistic rockets on the Hyunmoo 1 and 2 series with the turbojet powered Hyunmoo-3 series cruise missiles.

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peter14,

I've just wanted to point out that this is quite a lucrative business dealing for the U.S. military-industrial complex. Is it out of this lowly business motive that the U.S. has been urging Japan to up its defense budget twice as much?

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

Being prepared for war is the best way to avoid a war.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

voiceofokinawaToday 03:25 pm JST

peter14,

I've just wanted to point out that this is quite a lucrative business dealing for the U.S. military-industrial complex. Is it out of this lowly business motive that the U.S. has been urging Japan to up its defense budget twice as much?

No. There is a threat called China and Japan isn't meeting NATO spending targets.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Based on Japan's current defense concept, it is said that the amount of missiles it needs is about 40% short.

https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOUA21CDX0R21C22A0000000/

In the future, it will likely be necessary to purchase from the United States or develop it in our own country.

Japan is also developing anti-ship missiles like the Tomahawk, but it will likely take some time before they are officially deployed. Until then, we will continue to need to purchase more from the United States.

https://www.sankei.com/article/20201229-IJSI3I2G35PKXLKSEGF4FR76JA/

Interceptor missiles like the Patriot are also produced in Japan.

This number also needs to be increased further.

https://www.mhi.com/jp/products/defense/mim104_patriot.html

1 ( +1 / -0 )

By the way, the amount of stockpiles in the comedy Korean military is clearly a lie.

Example of lack of live ammunition in the South Korean military: https://globe.asahi.com/article/14595814

This resulted in increased hatred of Korea among members of the Diet and the bureaucrats involved.

Also, missiles can be divided into various uses.

Anti-ground, anti-air, anti-ship, anti-submarine, cruise missiles, etc.

South Korea is proud of its Hyeonmu-4 missile, but the JoongAng Ilbo reports that it "rises outside the atmosphere and falls at speeds of over Mach 10," "its power is about 1kt of TNT," and "it can destroy bunkers 300m underground." However, the specs are so ridiculous that they are being laughed at all over the world.

This ground-to-ground missile is a dead copy of the American Hercule and Russian Iskander, but unfortunately its performance is not as good as the original.

If South Korea has a stockpile of 10,000 missiles, it is safe to say that South Korea's missile concept is doomed. This is because performance will deteriorate further in an environment where it is no longer part of the American Aegis Raider network and monitoring satellites cannot be launched satisfactorily.

In the first place, the United States has the command of the South Korean military, so it cannot launch missiles without permission.

Mission 1: First, let's regain command.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Concerning the photo. I wonder who's the guy who stands on the right of Rahm Emanuel. Is he the CEO of the Tomahawk manufacturing company?

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

I've just wanted to point out that this is quite a lucrative business dealing for the U.S. military-industrial complex. Is it out of this lowly business motive that the U.S. has been urging Japan to up its defense budget twice as much?

The 200 Block IV missiles Japan is buying are going to have to come out of existing US stocks. RTX isn't making Block IV Tomahawks any more. RTX won't make one Yen off the sale of those Block IVs. The money will go to the US Treasury to repay the American taxpayer for the missiles they are selling Japan.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Concerning the photo. I wonder who's the guy who stands on the right of Rahm Emanuel. Is he the CEO of the Tomahawk manufacturing company?

RTX, Formerly called Raytheon Missile Systems (RMS) in Tuscon AZ assembles Tomahawks from components coming from all kinds of different suppliers. Here are photos of their leadership. My guess is the man standing next to Mr. Emanuel is someone senior in the Defense Department or from the State Department.

https://www.rtx.com/who-we-are/our-leadership

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Desert Tortoise,

It's turned out that Raytheon is the company that manufactures Tomahawks with many a subcontractor supplying components. Raytheon assembles them and produces finished products.

The man standing on the right of Ambassador Emanuel may not be Raytheon CEO, but he could be there.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

The man signing the paper shown in the relevant picture may be director of the defense equipment procurement agency, Japan Defense Ministry, while Japan Defense Minister Minoru Kihara and U.S. Ambassador to Japan Rahm Emanuel, etc. are overlooking.  

Desert Tortoise says the 400 Tomahawks Japan buys will be deducted from the U.S. forces' existing stockpile and the money will go directly to the U.S. coffers, eventually to U.S. taxpayers.

Won't the U.S. government make up the deducted number of 400 Tomahawks and pay the Raytheon 10 trillion yen or about $68 billion earned from Japan?

0 ( +0 / -0 )

V-O, Raytheon made a big acquisition last year, reorganized under new management and renamed the company RTX.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Only the 200 Block IVs come out of existing stockpiles. RTX already made their money on those years ago. The remaining 200 Block Vs will probably be new production. Japan decided to buy existing Block IVs to fill an immediate need. They didn’t want to wait until RTX could build 400 new Block Vs for them.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

It's no concern of mine whether Raytheon acquired another company and renamed itself as RTX.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

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