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All the funding, weaponizing, invading, fighting and terrorizing against "terrorism" in the ME is what has led to the rise of IS. More will not solve anything. As a taxpayer in Japan, not in my name!!

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You're right. We should just do nothing, and let ISIS kill whoever and wherever they want.

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That's a huge lot of money. It would have been better to use it to help the people of Okinawa and Fukushima.

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apan, reeling from the murder of two nationals by Islamic State extremists, will offer an extra $15 million in aid to fight terrorism in Middle East and Africa, a report said on Sunday.

Japan is not reeling, that is just sensationalistic journalism looking to further people's fears about safety. Awareness is one thing, exaggerating it is another, common sense calls for the former, not the latter.

That's a huge lot of money. It would have been better to use it to help the people of Okinawa and Fukushima.

It's a drop in the bucket, consider that he already gave 200 Million before and that started all this crap.

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Oh boy more fuel on the fire, it almost seems that this is just done to provoke more violence, that money the goverment prints out could be used to house the homeless in japan and other issues like fukushima ect, societies and goverments have become extremely sick around the world, god bless

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Japan is not reeling, that is just sensationalistic journalism looking to further people's fears about safety. Awareness is one thing, exaggerating it is another, common sense calls for the former, not the latter.

Agreed.

I'd rewrite the above sentence as this,

"Japan, rightfully angry from the murder of two nationals by Islamic State extremists, is not backing down and in fact telling the terrorists where they can go, by offering an extra $15 million in aid to fight terrorism in Middle East and Africa, a report said on Sunday."

And it'd be 100% true.

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abe is siphoning ours taxes instead of focusing over global issues and let the tribal wars be handled by themselves he 's jumping with our tax money to drain it over a hellhole

Supporting those to eliminate those , there are no friends in the ME

You're right. We should just do nothing, and let ISIS kill whoever and wherever they want.

ISIS is in the ME not in Japan

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/02/15/video-islamic-state-christians/23458481/

More videos from the folks who like to gather up defenseless people and behead them.

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Should have just burned the 15Mill for all the good it will do.

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7 countries border Syria and Iraq. Only 4 countries seem To need Japan's 15 mil. My Practice makes more $€£¥ per annum than Japannis offering to combat ISIS

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consider that he already gave 200 Million before and that started all this crap.

I consider the kidnapping and torture of both Yukawa and Got to be what 'started all this crap'.

According to the link by Farmboy above, ISIS affiliates in Libya just beheaded 21 Christian hostages for the 'crime' of simply being of a different faith than ISIS claims to be.

It is clear what started this. ISIS.

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sensei258 I like your sarcasm, and your correct.
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Yubaru

consider that he already gave 200 Million before and that started all this crap.

This crap had started before abe pledged monetary help.

You and others seem to think those in that area should handle it themselves while their daughters are being kidnapped, their fathers and sons and husbands being murdered wealth pillaged and other terrible atrocities are committed daily, you think no one should help ?

You think ISIS is only in the ME ?

You think if left unchecked everything will be alright ?

You think the world should stand by while innocents are slaughtered in the name of whatever these people deem to be ?

You think if the world stood by in 1940 everything would be hunky dory now ?

The world needs to collectively stand up and put an end to isi boko haram and any other crazy bunch who want to to over by violence intimidation murder rape torture.

Hugging them turning, your back on them wont stop them, showing them sympathy wont stop them, praying wont stop them, understand what needs to be done here, sometimes you need to get your hands dirty and put up with the stench when unblocking the toilet and this is like that , removing crap.

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reformedbasher:

"Japan, rightfully angry from the murder of two nationals by Islamic State extremists, is not backing down and in fact telling the terrorists where they can go, by offering an extra $15 million in aid to fight terrorism in Middle East and Africa, a report said on Sunday."

And I'd write the sentence as this:

"Japan, stubborn as it is, has not learnt that the 200 million dollar announcement triggered the killings of 2 of its citizens, loudly announces more money when the graves are still fresh."

Abe had better hope there are no more Japanese hostages waiting to make an appearance on the international stage again.

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i wonder who is actually get those money..the Middle east?the ISIS itself?or to the "police of the world" who are trying to steal other countries wealth in the name of "peace"?

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ISIS is in the ME not in Japan

ISIS is now not far from Italy. Do you think ISIS spreading to Europe would be a positive thing?

Thankfully people did the right thing when the Nazis threatened Europe. I hope the world can get together against ISIS as well. ISIS is a friend to no one and an enemy to all.

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Bet a lot of politicians and other people in power in Africa are eagerly awaiting some/most of that $15 million. Their pockets will be a little bit fatter ...

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ISIS is now not far from Italy. Do you think ISIS spreading to Europe would be a positive thing?

hello slumdog , Italy will be terrorized from a bunch of soldiers , italy is not fool to consider it a threat , that's not their problem , they won't intervene in foreign entanglement , did it worked out in iraq ? They were heavily bashed internationally , Abe is using our tax money ,,,,,

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I'm not completely against Japan giving monetary aid, but just do it quietly. We're not dealing with a nation or country that we can negotiate or reason with here. They're a terrorist group. This kind of grandstanding just puts the lives average citizens in danger.

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slumdog: "I consider the kidnapping and torture of both Yukawa and Got to be what 'started all this crap'."

When did you find out about these, by the way? Ah, that's right, after Abe provoked IS!

But hey, why give the money to those who very much need it in Fukushima or elsewhere in Japan? Abe JUST visited the 2011 affected areas FOR THE FIRST TIME the other day, despite milking the disaster for all its worth for the Olympics and otherwise and vowing constantly to help them out financially. Nah, they're not a priority... provoking terrorists so that he can further his agenda with regards to changing the constitution is.

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But hey, why give the money to those who very much need it in Fukushima or elsewhere in Japan? Abe JUST visited the 2011 affected areas FOR THE FIRST TIME the other day, despite milking the disaster for all its worth for the Olympics and otherwise and vowing constantly to help them out financially. Nah, they're not a priority... provoking terrorists so that he can further his agenda with regards to changing the constitution is.

Sounds like an argument that could be used by ISIL to garner some support to them while denouncing Japan's current leadership.

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"Japan, stubborn as it is, has not learnt that the 200 million dollar announcement triggered the killings of 2 of its citizens, loudly announces more money when the graves are still fresh."

a) Both of who were already kidnapped and b) hostages of other nationalities have also been killed, are being killed and will be killed by IS. Were/are they being killed because of Abe? How about the Kurdish POWs on display? No? Let's try the Egyptian Coptic Christians? Wrong again. Are you sensing a pattern here?

Try a little logic next time. Would be a refreshing change to sounding like a broken record.

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Same dick heads talking the same crap all the time isn't it?

Some of you need to wake up, before speaking up.

ISIL will not stop when they have had enough, they will keep going their ideal is world domination, they don't care what race religion creed social status or anything they care about power money fear and terror, wake up for crying out loud, abe is responsible for this now, abe started this crap, sheeesh I have heard it all youre dumber than I thought.

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When did you find out about these, by the way?

When? Why, the same time you did. Don't you remember?

smithinjapanAug. 31, 2014 - 02:44PM JST Sorry, but the guy deserves what he gets -- you don't just march into a war-zone with suicidal tendencies and think you are being 'selfless' and 'helping others' or what have you, then expect to garner sympathy.

http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/a-broken-man-living-on-dreams-pulls-japan-into-syria-hostage-drama

Does that refresh your memory about how you felt and when you heard about it. Oh, did you happen to notice that this was way before Abe made any offers of money?

provoking terrorists so that he can further his agenda with regards to changing the constitution is.

1) Fighting terrorists is a good thing. 2) There have been discussions about whether to change the constitution for years now. 3) You keep mistakenly making it seem like changing the Japanese constitution is a simple task that Abe can do merely because you claim he wants to. It isn't and he can't.

ISIS in LIbya killed innocent Christians in Libya. Fighting them or supporting those fighting them is the correct thing to do. It is certainly better than suggesting a captive of ISIS 'deserves what he gets', that is for sure.

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Ah, Mr Abe. Adding fuel to the fire

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If Japan is to be a credible player on the global stage, it must devote resources. If not boots on the ground, then money to be used.

This, of course, assumes that Japan wants to be a credible player on the global stage. Abe would rather go down that path, especially to support America. Note that Obama wants to convene a summit against violent extremism. Is it surprising that Japan is upping its stakes.

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Typical Japanese, sit back and let the rest of the world defend against this kind of horror. By the way any of armchair pacifists know what IsIs is doing? Google them!!!! We DO have to kill them, it is the only answer to this horror.

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This whole money thing and politics is so boring people snap out the matrix death is real ,goto and haruna lost there lives, abe is living the silver spoon life while he laughs along with hostess's people of the world and goverments gods watching you do the right thing , and to jt moderator have you ever heard of free speach ? Maybe the police will come and confiscate your passport if you even have one i assume you do,

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slumdog

1) Fighting terrorists is a good thing

well that is the problem,Japan is not really fighting the terrorist, Japan and others are just "KINDA" helping and not really sincerely prioritizing to get rid of ISIS.

There is only one way to get rid of ISIS. That is to send Trained troops to fight them head to head and outnumber ISIS until they're all gone, bomb their cities especially Raqqa and arrest all of their potential supporters globally. I am anti WAR but for ISIS case? ALL OUT WAR is the only solution!

Training Iraqi forces and other fighters to defend themselves from ISIS IS TOO LATE! where did you see a soldier getting trained during the WAR? What the world needs to do is to GET RID of ISIS, Not to defend cities from them but Re-gain all the cities they have taken NOW!

Donating money? for what? for who? How much money was already spent until now fighting ISIS? does US' shellings really helping? they boastly claimed that the bombings killed 6,000 ISIS? But did it really weaken them? after few days ISIS can just simply regain 6,000 new members.

Japan has to promise that ISIS will be wiped out with that 15 Million USD, Because if it won't hurt ISIS at all and there is no assurance... I have the right to be pissed off as I worked hard for that Money! ( tax )

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I honestly don't see why would this act will be pushed. Unless the terrorist attacks Japan, no action should be taken. Stay out of the situation Prime Minister.

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I have the right to be pissed off as I worked hard for that Money!

Perhaps you might want to go and fight ISIS on Japan's behalf instead.

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slumdog

Perhaps you might want to go and fight ISIS on Japan's behalf instead.

will you?

If it's my job to do so and I am professionaly trained for that why not!? But I am not a professional soldier...

the point is why would I allow to use my money for a waste?

That is the problem with Abe, he is not really 100% prioritizing to get rid of ISIS, all he does is just to give a little push... in the end of the day, ISIS is still strong and Abe just puts his own people in danger!

there should be only 2 things to be done, GET RID OF ISIS NOW / OR STAY AWAY FROM IT IF THEY CANNOT HANDLE... putting themselves in the gray area is just a waste money!

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the point is why would I allow to use my money for a waste?

I don't get this logic for the coalition is pledging in wide variety of areas from aerial bombing, arms aid , financial aid to pay for the said arms and weapons, to humanitarian assistance for the displaced.

You argument only works if Japan alone is fighting these terrorists.

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nigelboy

I don't get this logic for the coalition is pledging in wide variety of areas from aerial bombing, arms aid , financial aid to pay for the said arms and weapons, to humanitarian assistance for the displaced.

Dude, think! where does your COALITION get the funding? corporate sponsorship? Plus READ the article or even just the Titile, JAPAN is giving money to fight terrorism, where will Japan get this money? Abe's personal savings?

the goal is to STOP ISIS right!? if all the things you mentioned above is not really helping and cannot assure to get rid of ISIS or even just weakening them, then what is the point of wasting money... unfortunately your coalition until now hasn't done much on hurting the enemy...

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will you?

Look above, please. I am not the one suggesting that donating money is not enough and that Japan should send citizens to fight against ISIS. You are. I merely suggested you go first.

putting themselves in the gray area is just a waste money!

I disagree. Supporting those that are trying to stop ISIS is the correct thing to do.

People give to many different kinds of causes. So do countries. Helping does not necessarily have to mean always putting your boots on the ground.

If you gave the choice to people to either go to the areas that need help directly or do nothing to help, most people for a variety of reasons will choose to do nothing. I think it is better that they at least help those that do go to help. You seem to prefer that they do nothing at all. That is a sad way to look at charity and helping others.

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slumdog, the latter part of your comment is precisely how Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo (amongst others) were and are able to get as far as they did/do. Really, look up what ISIS is doing on Google. They will not understand anything but a unified force. They swear a horrific death to all infidels. This is anybody that does not believe as they do. They rape, sodomize, behead, and sell young women into slavery. In case you were sleeping in the last month, this DOES include Japanese. Young men and women are dying right now for your fantasies of "it doesn't concern us". Chip in Japan, send some aircraft, something, anything! It's time you took your turn on the parapet. Fight them there or fight them in Japan...

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slumdog

. I am not the one suggesting that donating money is not enough and that Japan should send citizens to fight against ISIS. You are. I merely suggested you go first.

Then what is your suggestion on how will you beat ISIS then? As obviously these occasional "bombings/shellings" don't really help weaken ISIS at all

I didn't say sending Japanese CIVILIANS, common sense man, send the military! you agreed with Abe that Japan is in big threat from ISIS, so if he is really threatened then why not send his armed forces to get rid of the threat against his nation?

Helping does not necessarily have to mean always putting your boots on the ground.

Goes back to the question how are they going to totally beat ISIS then? What is your proposal?

You seem to prefer that they do nothing at all

Nope! I am suggesting to prioritize wiping them all out! because its a waste of money and effort to cut the grass knowing that it will soon grow again, why not cut the roots!? common sense man!

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Over 3 million people from Syria are refugees from the fighting, and the countries of Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan in particular could use help with housing and caring for these people. There is plenty for Japan to do that would not require boots on the ground, and the help would no doubt be greatly appreciated.

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spent this money at home on the issue of suicide which takes more lives in Japan then the war around the world. Japan has many disputes with all of the neighbors give your attention and efforts to these disputes first.

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You and others seem to think those in that area should handle it themselves while their daughters are being kidnapped, their fathers and sons and husbands being murdered wealth pillaged and other terrible atrocities are committed daily, you think no one should help ?

Huh? Assume quite a bit there son. My beef is with the way Abe (miss)handles situations and thinks that everyone is going to follow along like good soldiers when he calls them to attention.

My disdain for Abe is noted here quite often, he is playing a game with Japanese lives to further his own agenda. THAT is wrong in my opinion.

Your comments here are out of line, and are ludicrous at best. No one has suggested anything even close to what you are assuming here.

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Then what is your suggestion on how will you beat ISIS then?

Excuse me? Mr. 'I don't wanna provoke ISIS' is now claiming he wants Japan to go to war with ISIS? Gimme a break.

The Kurds are doing quite an amazing job against ISIS. They need money and resources to continue the good work they are doing. Egypt's al-Sisi has stated plainly his opposition to ISIS. Egypt and the al-Sisi government need money and resources to tackle ISIS. There should be more and more work done by willing countries in the Middle East to combat ISIS and they will need money and resources to do the job.

I didn't say sending Japanese CIVILIANS, common sense man, send the military!

Excuse me? Mr. 'Abe just wants an excuse to change the constitution' is now in favor of changing the constitution he claimed to be against doing? Do try and figure out what page you are on yourself before trying to convince others of an argument you have not thought through yourself.

What is your proposal?

Written above here and also written in the past several times. At the very least, I am consistent. You cannot decide what you want done.

Nope! I am suggesting to prioritize wiping them all out!

Actually, nope! You are suggesting changing the Japanese constitution when last week you were claiming to be dead set against such a thing going to great lengths to suggest that Abe wanted to change the constitution and saying how you were against it. Make up your mind before you try to convince anyone of anything.

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Beheadjists start the war with Abe but they are going to lose it sooner then later...

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. . . same ole' checkbook policy huh. Why does Japan's gov think this will help "curb the threat" etc.? Keep the money. Re-think article 9.

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Ali khan you are so right! Nice coment!

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Dude, think! where does your COALITION get the funding? corporate sponsorship? Plus READ the article or even just the Titile, JAPAN is giving money to fight terrorism, where will Japan get this money? Abe's personal savings?

What's your point?

the goal is to STOP ISIS right!? if all the things you mentioned above is not really helping and cannot assure to get rid of ISIS or even just weakening them, then what is the point of wasting money... unfortunately your coalition until now hasn't done much on hurting the enemy...

Nope. I don't think the coalition is doing 'enough'.

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People here have short, or probably no memories, (for the obvious reasons of age) and what Japan did during Persian Gulf 1. It's a repeat in many ways of the same thing.

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$15 million? That's bounty money. How many of the Lernaean Hydra's heads will that buy? But, that's uncivilized. Put a big enough reward on ISIS and they'll rip themselves apart to get it. That's what gangsters do.

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I didn't say sending Japanese CIVILIANS, common sense man, send the military!

Yeah, sure. This is what you said before:

noypikantokuFeb. 05, 2015 - 12:19PM JST I do too! because now it's clear that he used this opportunity to escalate the need of Japan to reform their armed forces and leave pacifism. obvious isn't it?

So, you clearly have not thought things out. Come back when you have made up your mind.

In the meantime, there is nothing wrong with Japan providing aid to countries fighting the scum known as ISIS.

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slumdog

Excuse me? Mr. 'I don't wanna provoke ISIS' is now claiming he wants Japan to go to war with ISIS? Gimme a break.

DUDE When did I say "I DON’T WANNA PROVOKE ISIS?" if you are referring from the previous articles, I was saying "ABE Provoked ISIS", that is different from "I Don't wanna provoke ISIS"

My point is if Japan and the world have workable plan and if that plan will assure to destroy ISIS 100% then go and do it! From the beginning I agree to destroy ISIS COMPLETELY! But Japan doesn't have ANY strategies or plans! Like what I've said over and over again, they are just "KINDA HELPING A BIT" by sending funds that was not really helping to hurt ISIS at all!

The Kurds are doing quite an amazing job against ISIS. They need money and resources to continue the good work they are doing. Egypt's al-Sisi has stated plainly his opposition to ISIS. Egypt and the al-Sisi government need money and resources to tackle ISIS. There should be more and more work done by willing countries in the Middle East to combat ISIS and they will need money and resources to do the job.

what a joke! You call those amazing job!? Well ISIS Gained new territories in IRAQ and took over Al Baghdadi's town, they are now getting closer to Baghdad and now spreading in LIBYA and like what you've mentioned above they are now in ITALY's doorstep! So you call those a good strategy?

I didn't say sending Japanese CIVILIANS, common sense man, send the military!

Excuse me? Mr. 'Abe just wants an excuse to change the constitution' is now in favor of changing the constitution he claimed to be against doing? Do try and figure out what page you are on yourself before trying to convince others of an argument you have not thought through yourself

No You are not getting the point because you are so naïve, Abe is using this middle east situation to reactivate his army! Not to help middle east but for HIS OWN INTERESTS! That's why if Abe is threatened by ISIS and use this situation to justify his needs to reactivate his armed forces, then GO AND SEND THEM TO WIPE ISIS OUT…. But again it wont happen because Abe is not really prioritizing to beat ISIS, He is just kinda riding along and using this opportunity for his other plans. A politician's dirty trick!

Written above here and also written in the past several times. At the very least, I am consistent. You cannot decide what you want done.

What I want ? The whole world unite, make a strategy and wipe ISIS OUT NOW! Don't waste the tax money for something that will not really help destroy ISIS and instead will just endanger Japan's security (because ISIS are still around)

Actually, nope! You are suggesting changing the Japanese constitution when last week you were claiming to be dead set against such a thing going to great lengths to suggest that Abe wanted to change the constitution and saying how you were against it. Make up your mind before you try to convince anyone of anything.

Ummm Abe is the one who wants to change the constitution and used ISIS to justify his plans? so my question is since he already brought Japan to this mess, why not send the military to wipe ISIS? Or he is just riding alone to fulfill his other plans?

there is nothing wrong with Japan providing aid to countries fighting the scum known as ISIS.

Because they are not fighting ISIS properly they are just wasting money! this funds and money aids are useless and will never hurt ISIS!

nigelboy

What's your point?

You said...

I don't get this logic for the coalition is pledging in wide variety of areas from aerial bombing, arms aid , financial aid to pay for the said arms and weapons, to humanitarian assistance for the displaced.

You argument only works if Japan alone is fighting these terrorists

.so my question to you... Where do the COALITION get their fundings? not from the Taxpayers of the countries involved?

Nope. I don't think the coalition is doing 'enough'.

That's why they're useless! why are they not doing enough??? they are just wasting the taxpayers' money!? what a joke!

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Though terrorst actions can happen anywhere, I believe the growth of terrorist oganizations stems from countries who have continues chaos. Giving military aid to support more guns, missiles and bombs only creates more chaos, while average citizens usually suffer the most. The money would be better spent if is was only for humanitarian support, that is what can help average citizens and they intern can help the stability of their country.

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When did I say "I DON’T WANNA PROVOKE ISIS?" if you are referring from the previous articles, I was saying "ABE Provoked ISIS", that is different from "I Don't wanna provoke ISIS"

You were complaining about what you considered Abe provoking ISIS. You thought that was wrong. Now, you are claiming it isn't? Again, I have no idea what you want to say.

what a joke! You call those amazing job!?

The Kurds are doing the best that they can under the situation they find themselves. They need support. Japan is offering support. That is a good thing.

Abe is using this middle east situation to reactivate his army!

So you claim. However, you agree with this. You said so above...

Not to help middle east but for HIS OWN INTERESTS!

They match your interests that you mention above. You wrote that Abe was getting rid of 'pacifism'. You wrote it as a negative. Then you go ahead and say you want the same thing... You are making very little sense.

The whole world unite,

We are the world! We are the children...Um, unfortunately the whole world is not united. The countries that need to be involved the most are the ones in the Middle East.

You claimed you did not want Japan to change its pacifist stance and then above you claim you want Japan to get a military and join the fight.

The only thing that comes across is that you do not like Abe. Fine. That is clear. The rest of your argument is quite foggy.

Also, consider that you do not have to SHOUT using all caps. We can read just fine without it. Have a cup of tea and calm down.

Where do the COALITION get their fundings?

Again, you seem to have no point. Japan is offering to help fund the efforts and you complain.

what a joke!

No, the joke is complaining and claiming Japan will not be pacifist in the future and then now claiming you want Japan to have a military and get involved in wars...

You should really relax and think more clearly about what you want to say before you type.

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SlumDog: If you want to support the PKK (terrorist organization), you don't have to give them military aid (weapons), to do so. Supporting one evil to get at another, is one of the things that continuously causes so much trouble in the ME. If you really want to stop ISIS, then ask the real questions, WHO is the ISIS getting its money from? WHO is supplying them with weaponry? And seek the answers. Somehow it's still a big secret, though I think several governments know exactly where the money & weapons come from. It's probably to embarrassing to shed light on the fact or goes agaist someone's agenda. A change of subject, but related to ISIS and secracy, Liberty news reported (several days ago), that ISIS had captured Al Asad AFB, where there are 300 US marines. The pentagon won't confirm it but they do acknologe the base was being attacked. I still can't find any update in any mainstreamed media, why do you think that is?

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If you want to support the PKK

Not all Kurds are members of the PKK.

And seek the answers. Somehow it's still a big secret,

What was the point of asking me questions to which you do not know the answers yourself?

Quite frankly, I am sure some of the money has come from western countries that thought they were helping the 'good guys' in countries such as Syria and Libya. These western countries have learned how bad the people they were supporting are. This is not really such a secret.

However, now the ISIS must be stopped. I see nothing wrong with assisting in this.

What is your solution?

Liberty news reported (several days ago), that ISIS had captured Al Asad AFB

You should not believe information you get from Liberty news. That report is incorrect. You were told about this days ago when you first posted it.

I still can't find any update in any mainstreamed media, why do you think that is?

Probably because you are reading sources such as 'Liberty news'.

This is just from a couple of days ago.

http://www.stripes.com/news/islamic-state-fighters-killed-attack-repelled-in-al-asad-base-breach-1.329301

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If you want to support the PKK

(Not all Kurds are members of the PKK.) True but the PKK is one of the Kurds largest fighting forces and it's nearly impossible to give "military aid" without PKK members receiving it.

And seek the answers. Somehow it's still a big secret,

(What was the point of asking me questions to which you do not know the answers yourself?) I can't find a clear answer anywhere, that's why I'm asking. My suggestion was only a assumption based on previous history in the ME, but was meant find out exactly who is funding ISIS right now?

(Quite frankly, I am sure some of the money has come from western countries that thought they were helping the 'good guys' in countries such as Syria and Libya. These western countries have learned how bad the people they were supporting are. This is not really such a secret.) Could you please provide me with a Link, because I thought this action would be considered an illegal one.

(However, now the ISIS must be stopped. I see nothing wrong with assisting in this) neither do I, we just have a different opinion on how to go about it. You think more guns, bombs & missiles will stop them, I pointed out how that will only play right into their hands for more recruitment.

(What is your solution?) I already stated that. Find out who is giving ISIS money, weaponry and stop them. Send only humanitarian aid to help average citizens so they gain the ability to stabilize their own country. ISIS can only continue to grow if someone keeps funding them and the country they're in, is in chaos.

Liberty news reported (several days ago), that ISIS had captured Al Asad AFB

(You should not believe information you get from Liberty news. That report is incorrect.) My friend who is active military sent me the link, I don't read Liberty news. Thanks for the link to the updated story. I still don't see it in CNN, BBC nor JT

(You were told about this days ago when you first posted it) No, after I posted it, I checked again and the article was no longer on. JT.

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Stuart,

Could you use the quote function, please. It is really hard to follow the conversation when you post the way you did above.

True but the PKK is one of the Kurds largest fighting forces

But they are not the only one. The Kurds deserve support.

and it's nearly impossible to give "military aid" without PKK members receiving it.

It is possible.

but was meant find out exactly who is funding ISIS right now?

Are you asking me a question here? I cannot tell. Anyway, ISIS seems to be raising money and getting volunteers in a variety of ways. ISIS is extremely skilled at using the Internet.

Could you please provide me with a Link, because I thought this action would be considered an illegal one.

Please do your own research. The aid was supposed to be 'humanitarian', but anyone knows money is money.

You think more guns, bombs & missiles will stop them,

That is a simplistic view of my argument. What I am saying is that the focus should be on countries and citizens in the Middle East taking care of their own backyard. I am all for support of that.

No, after I posted it, I checked again and the article was no longer on. JT.

Here it is:

http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/is-seizes-iraq-town-near-base-housing-u-s-forces#comment_1926659

Not likely, a new report has just come out stating that ISIS has just captured Al Asad AFB.

I still don't see it in CNN, BBC nor JT

I am not sure what you want to see since the story you reported was not true to begin with. Why would CNN, BBC or JT report about an untrue story?

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slumdog

You were complaining about what you considered Abe provoking ISIS. You thought that was wrong. Now, you are claiming it isn't? Again, I have no idea what you want to say.

It was a different discussion and you are off topic now, but let me clear it for you… what we were arguing before was "did ABE provoked ISIS resulting to the sudden executions of Yukawa and Goto?" I say YES! And it was not a good idea as if he kept his mouth shut maybe those 2 guys are still alive today.

I don't want to PROVOKE ISIS I want to GET RID of them! If you don’t know the difference, then find it out yourself.

The Kurds are doing the best that they can under the situation they find themselves. They need support. Japan is offering support. That is a good thing.

Helping Kurds to defend their city is different from wiping out ISIS entirely. You are just helping the kurds to survive but the pests are still alive and as long as they are alive they will just keep coming back!

All the bombing aids done by U.S., Jordan, Egpyt etc… didn’t hurt ISIS at all. You bomb them, they just hide, once its cleared they go back out again and ready to spread torubles like rats!

So until when will Japan give millions? This will never end unless ISIS is totally wiped out!

So you claim. However, you agree with this. You said so above...

I am all the way supportive for an effective way to fight and get rid of ISIS! I mentioned above, I am anti WAR but for ISIS' case they should be wiped out NOW! Not only Japanese military, but all Nations must go there and literally physically wipe these pests out!

The problem is Abe is not really keen to fight ISIS, He is just riding along and using this opportunity for his other plans ( I don’t want to repeat this statement again if you will not understand it, then so be it)

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I don't want to PROVOKE ISIS I want to GET RID of them!

Ummm...First, when you tried to GET RID of them, they will be provoked. Do you think ISIS will give you chocolates for trying to get rid of them?

Second, where is the money for GETTING RID of ISIS going to come from? Japan is willing to help. For some strange reason, you are against this.

Helping Kurds to defend their city is different from wiping out ISIS entirely.

You have to start one city at a time. You have to have the willingness of the Middle Eastern citizens to wipe out ISIS. Then, you have to support them. You know...like giving money and aid as Japan has said they would like to do. You know...like you have been saying you are against.

So until when will Japan give millions? This will never end unless ISIS is totally wiped out!

It will not end without support, aid and money.

but all Nations must go there and literally physically wipe these pests out!

Do it the wrong way and you are right back where we started again. Why do you think countries like Libya and Syria are the way they are now?

The problem is Abe is not really keen to fight ISIS

Abe's government has pledge to support those fighting ISIS. That is keen enough for me.

using this opportunity for his other plans

Plans you are now on record as supporting. You just above said you want Japan's military involved directly in the conflict. Thou doth protest too much.

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slumdog

Ummm...First, when you tried to GET RID of them, they will be provoked. Do you think ISIS will give you chocolates for trying to get rid of them?

I dont know what are you trying to say!

Again, you seem to have no point. Japan is offering to help fund the efforts and you complain.

Second, where is the money for GETTING RID of ISIS going to come from? Japan is willing to help. For some strange reason, you are against this.

I kept on saying this over and over again! The little help that they do (sending funds) is not working at all! So why waste money for some formula that is not working? Unfortunately, those foreign aids are not helping to get rid of ISIS, they are just simply helping Kurds to get by per day! And ISIS will just keep on coming back. So you want Japan to keep funding Kurds etc. forever? If the 15 million USD Aid were all spent, are you suggesting to send money again!?

You have to start one city at a time. You have to have the willingness of the Middle Eastern citizens to wipe out ISIS. Then, you have to support them. You know...like giving money and aid as Japan has said they would like to do. You know...like you have been saying you are against.

Umm ISIS has the upper hand unfortunately. be realistic, don't be too NAIVE! they are growing too fast! kurds and others are just defending themselves, Sending aid is not working as we can see now! Nations joining forces going to ISIS cities and bases physically raiding these pests will do get rid of them though!

Do it the wrong way and you are right back where we started again. Why do you think countries like Libya and Syria are the way they are now?

Because there was no foreign intervention! that's why! if you believe that way Then expect more of ISIS winnings, gaining new territories, mass killings and growing numbers of members as again these funding aids are not working at all

Plans you are now on record as supporting. You just above said you want Japan's military involved directly in the conflict. Thou doth protest too much.

What I support is to send troops to Syria and Iraq with a purpose to wipe ISIS...Abe will not send troops there, but he wants to reactivate his military and using the conflict in middle east to justify it. So that I don't support!

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Slumdog: I apologize for not knowing how to use the quote function on my I Pad, I will look into it. You say I'm being simplistic by referring to "military aid" as guns, bombs & missiles, I realize that there are other forms of "military support" but all of them are just simply helping the military to use more guns, bombs & missiles. So we disagree on how to stop ISIS, that's ok. Can you tell me how many success stories have come about (in the ME), when the US has used military force? Kuwait is the only single example I can point to, what makes you think it will work this time?

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I dont know what are you trying to say!

I am saying war is a provocation and you said you were against provoking ISIS.

The little help that they do (sending funds) is not working at all!

? Japan just recently offered money. If more countries offer money, more can be done. ISIS will not disappear in a day.

So you want Japan to keep funding Kurds etc. forever?

So, what exactly do you think would be helped by Japan sending its soldiers there? How long should they stay? Forever?

Again, you have not thought out this argument very well.

Because there was no foreign intervention! that's why!

No foreign intervention in Libya, huh? I guess you don't read the news much, huh?

Nations joining forces going to ISIS cities and bases physically raiding these pests will do get rid of them though!

Which nations? So, you are in favor of nations invading a sovereign country, Syria? Yes, that worked so well in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. Let's keep invading...You say you want peace and you don't want war, but I am wondering if you actually know the difference between the two.

What I support is to send troops to Syria and Iraq with a purpose to wipe ISIS

Japanese troops? It is against the Japanese constitution. You claim you want Japan to stay 'pacifist'. You realize sending troops will go against both being pacifist and the Japanese constitution, right?

Abe will not send troops there

Abe can't send troops there to fight. It is against the Japanese constitution.

but he wants to reactivate his military and using the conflict in middle east to justify it.

Yes, so you guess. Then again, you also claimed above that there was no foreign intervention in Libya...So, I guess it is time to take out that grain of salt that I should take your comment with.

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Slundog: You say I'm being simplistic by referring to "military aid" as just guns, bombs & missiles, I realize that there are other forms of "military support" but all of them are just simply helping the military to use more guns, bombs & missiles. So we disagree on how to stop ISIS, that's ok. Can you tell me how many success stories have come about (in the ME), when the US has used military force? Kuwait is the only single example I can point to, what makes you think it will work this time?

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Stuart,

Just to help you out: To quote you just put an > before what you want quoted. Just make sure there is no space between the > and the first letter of your quote and you should be good to go.

I realize that there are other forms of "military support"

Technically, Japan is offering humanitarian support, not military support. Although, I am sure that is how a lot of it will be used.

Can you tell me how many success stories have come about (in the ME), when the US has used military force?

I am not sure why you are bringing up the US. I prefer that citizens of the Middle East clean up this mess or at least be given the chance to do so. In order to be given this chance, I think it is logical to give them support.

I am not for an invasion of any country in the Middle East. I am certainly not for Japan getting involved militarily in any such actions.

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Slumdog: Thank you, I will use > symbol when quoting you, though I'm still unable to highlight (copy & paste) the way you and most posters do.

While you say that Japan is technically offering Humanitarian support, the headline of this article contradicts that opinion. Japan giving $15 mil to FIGHT terrorism, is NOT humanitarian aid! True humanitarian aid is for average citizens, hospitals and nessesities infrastructure, not military use.

I brought up the US because they are always the leaders of these military coalitions, that continuously use guns, bombs & missiles (in the ME) without having success. You support this military funding, though there's not a single example of big money ever stoping or destroying a large terrorist organization. ISIS will never be stopped by military force nor big money, as long as there are countries trapped in endless chaos.

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While you say that Japan is technically offering Humanitarian support, the headline of this article contradicts that opinion. Japan giving $15 mil to FIGHT terrorism, is NOT humanitarian aid! True humanitarian aid is for average citizens, hospitals and nessesities infrastructure, not military use.

Helping honorable people get rid of dishonorable people is humanitarian in my opinion.

I brought up the US

I do not believe the US should be directly involved in this militarily. I do feel it is in the interest of the world that countries such as Jordan, Egypt and the Kurdistan independent area remain stable and not be damaged and distablized like Iraq, Libya and Syria have been. I think supporting these stable countries and areas is in every rational person's interest.

You support this military funding, though there's not a single example of big money ever stoping or destroying a large terrorist organization.

I support supporting stable influences in the middle east. I support supporting these stable influences in their preventing ISIS from destablizing their countries and areas.

This must be done mainly by the countries in the middle east. In fact, I think it is the only way to break the cycle you speak of.

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