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Are these calls for China to get involved and restrain North Korea actually a good thing? The less Chinese involvement the better in my opinion. I think the souring of relations between North Korea and China is good news. When North Korea finally collapses, the last thing we need is for China to be there ready to install another puppet dictator and feel like they have the moral authority to do so.

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China should intervene North Korea, but China can't. North Korea has off control of China, Russia, and U.S. Will its independent action bring itself safety of unity or danger of division? No one knows the future.

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China will only agree to really do something about NK to Japan when Japan agrees to hand the Senkakus over to them.  In the meantime they will continue this façade of trying to help, all the while getting whatever they can from the US, JPN and SK.

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Don't think that there's much more China can really do about N. Korea, and I can certainly think that they don't like being told what to do, particularly by the Japanese. Indeed now that Japan has asked China to sort out N. Korea, I would probably expect less to be done, as it wouldn't look good internally for China to being doing what Japan tells it.... such is the state of Politics here in Asia.

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China have been far more a voice of reason than, say, the US in recents weeks....

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The only way China can help North Korea is by providing massive economic and humanitarian aid. Ditto with Japan.

Trying to isolate Pyongyang is counterproductive and will only make the bad situation worse.

Japan should remember that North Korea never invaded nor colonized Japan.

PM Abe refusing to led the way for direct talks with Kim is making him look like an incurable Washington puppet not capable for making decisions with a Japan First policy.

President Trump saying he is willing to talk to Jung Un at the right time speaks volumes about Shinzo's lack of independent thinking.

Maybe he considers himself a statesman representing the USA deep in his heart.

Abe in this regard is probably more American than Tiger Woods.

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Talk to China? Communist China and Communist Russia have caused and created North Korea. China epitomizes opportunism.

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Chinese came to Japan for friendship between two nations.

If Japan wants to be help in NK situation, China will listen and deliver message to NK.

But the best help is for Japan to start compensation to Korean people to show that Japan is a responsible nation.

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To be fair; the DPRK has received aid from quite a few countries over the years - the UK, US, Japan, ROK; to name but a few.

That's often what the sabre rattling is about; it's just that the various departments and ministries in NK are often opposed to each other and the message gets fragmented, re-constituted and badly delivered.

Under the present and previous (and to an extent the first) Kim stewardship, there has always been an underlying desperation for recognition. Which is in no way condoning the dreadful inhumane situation there. There was even a time when the economy of the DPRK was ahead of its souther counterparts. But that's going back a few decades.

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China have been far more a voice of reason than, say, the US in recents weeks....

It happens. And kudos to the Chinese leadership for keeping a level head, at least in this regard.

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" Tamarama May 30 09:49 pm JST

China have been far more a voice of reason than, say, the US in recents weeks...."

That's only because of who we have in office. What "reason" are we getting from China besides promises to do something but doing nothing? Helping the US and it's allies is a façade, NK serves a vital strategic purpose for China and China would rather have it exist annoying the US and others than doing anything that might lead to the loss of the "buffer zone".

" mulan May 30 11:14 pm JST

Chinese came to Japan for friendship between two nations."

Yes they signed a treaty of friendship in 1972 and even reaffirmed it in 1978. Then they ripped it up in 2010 and established an anti-Japan diplomatic policy. The good news is that China's behavior hardened the US-Japan military alliance to an unprecedented level.

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@OssanAmerica Today 01:10 am JST

What anti-Japan policy are you talking about? China never goes around the world and bad mouth Japan as Abe did to China. China has no diamond policy to contain Japan as Abe did to China. China never involved in Japanese disputes with neighbours as Abe did to China. China never calls Japan a threat as Abe did to China. China never allies with any other nations to militarily against Japan as China did to China. China promised to Japanese people to resolve any disputes in peaceful way through dialogue and never breaks the promises as Abe did to China.

If you believe US-Japan military alliance is a good news delivered by China, good, China will deliver more good news.

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If anything NK has proven that neither the US nor China has any influence on what it does or has done in the past.  China has about as much pull as the US has in bringing peace to the sand people.   China will not act towards doing anything that is not in their best interest; would anyone.  The asking of 100 days for the US to keep restraining is pointless as the NK's have shown.  It's time for the US to stop listening to more Obama rhetoric (in the case the Chinese rhetoric) and shoot the next one down as target practice or just take them out with SK.. The war is still ongoing anyway.

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OssanAmerica, not a single article coming from Chinese sources that shows Japan bashing. Yet, with all anti­-Japanese propaganda going on that you claimed existed, Chinese tourists visiting Japan have been going up and up. Strange, isn’t it? Instead, the facts show that Japanese investments in China have been going down while FDI from other countries to China have be steady, there is a direct link between reduction in Japanese investments in China and the increase in China bashing in Japan. “Japan was the country that inflicted the most suffering on China,” this was the truth and China can never forget it.

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@OssanAmerica Today 04:53 am JST

Abe educated Japanese to worship war criminals, against international court ruling. Abe also fooled Asians that Japan need not to feel sorry anymore for the crimes its army committed. That is injustice to the history. China should educated not only Chinese people about the true history but also the people of the world about the truth.

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" mulan Today 01:23 am JST

@OssanAmerica Today 01:10 am JST

What anti-Japan policy are you talking about?"

" flowers Today 05:52 am JST

OssanAmerica, not a single article coming from Chinese sources that shows Japan bashing"

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/how-chinas-mainstream-media-ignored-the-anti-japanese-riots/262879/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PPeNopVkx4

" mulan Today 06:18 am JST

@OssanAmerica Today 04:53 am JST

Abe educated Japanese to worship war criminals, against international court ruling"

Abe has nothing to do with "worshipping at criminals". The only "against international court ruling" is China's attitude towards the artificial islands in te SCS.

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@OssanAmerica Today 07:02 am JST

Which international laws that China violated in South China Sea? China claimed part of it in 1945 publicly, peacefully. Does China has to use military forces, as Japan did, to conquer? Is that international laws you are talking about?

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" mulan Today 07:20 am JST

@OssanAmerica Today 07:02 am JST

Which international laws that China violated in South China Sea? "

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/world/asia/south-china-sea-hague-ruling-philippines.html?_r=0

"China claimed part of it in 1945 publicly, peacefully. "

Your "China" thee PRC did not exist in 1945.

"Does China has to use military forces, as Japan did, to conquer?"

That's effectively what China has already done by building artificial islands and militarizing the South China Sea. Drawing up the ridiculous 9-dash line to own nearly all of the SCS with total disregard for other countries.

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@OssanAmerica Today 08:59 am JST

China has the legal right defined in UNCLOS to reject arbitration.

China didn't militarize Japanese territories, it is perfect lawful to build any Islands in own territory. Japan did the same thing.

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" mulan Today 09:46 am JST

@OssanAmerica Today 08:59 am JST

China has the legal right defined in UNCLOS to reject arbitration."

China replies on UNCLOS to protect it;s own interests, het refusese to recognize or comply with the PCA .

Through an exchange of letters between the Secretary-General of the PCA and the Registrar of ITLOS, the PCA and ITLOS have agreed to cooperate with respect to relevant legal and administrative matters. Under the arrangement, the PCA and ITLOS have undertaken to exchange documents, particularly those connected with disputes under Annex VII of UNCLOS, and to explore cooperation in other areas of concern.

"China didn't militarize Japanese territories, it is perfect lawful to build any Islands in own territory. Japan did the same thing."

Japan did it over 72 years ago. And hasn't done anything like it since. China is doing it NOW.

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@OssanAmerica Today 12:01 pm JST

You should study UNCLOS before you tried to apply it. You should also study the history South East China before you got involved in it. 800 years ago, PH was a part of Chinese tributary states. That showed you how Chinese used South China Sea long go.

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" mulan May 31 10:05 pm JST

@OssanAmerica Today 12:01 pm JST

You should study UNCLOS before you tried to apply it. You should also study the history South East China before you got involved in it. 800 years ago, PH was a part of Chinese tributary states. That showed you how Chinese used South China Sea long go."

You see, that is part 1 of the problem. Italy can not claim all of Europe on the basis of what the Roman Empire controlled. And Greece cannot claim all the lands that were taken under Alexander the Great. Mongolia cannot claim what was controlled under Ghengis Khan and his decendants. Whatever "used to be under the control of (fill in) Dynasty a gazillion years ago is not a valid argument. The PCA ruling makes that clear. Part 2 of the problem is your view that States which were "Tributary States" to a Chinese dynasty are to be considered as part of China. The Korean Peninsula was entirely a Tributary of the Qin Dynasty until Japan defeated Qin in 1895 ending that relationship. Furthermore, that some long gone Chinese dynasty "used" a Tributary State or the South China Sea has absolutely no relevance to ownership or control today. It is this nationalistic stretched reasoning which ignores both the rights of other Asian nations as well as common sense and reality that has made China both a threat to stability and peace in the region as well as a diplomatic laughing stock.

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China 1000 years ago had much more power than Japan 80 years ago. Yet China never used the power to invade PH and murder its people by 10% population. China instead, helped Filipinos and made PH the most prosperous place in South East China. Clearly power to Japan means conquer, to China it means to help. Pity Japan has learned from China for 3000 years still doesn't know the meaning of peace.

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Yaswn, boring

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Nobody cares about China a thousand years ago. It's a pity that China today hasn't learned anything from Japan's WWII history.

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Nobody cares about China 1000 years ago? Japan did. The brightest Japanese went to China as students even 1500 years ago. Many of them were hired by Chinese emperor as cabinet ministers. China never called those Japaneses students as spies. Japan inherited almost every aspects of Chinese civilization, from language to culture, to food, to clothes. China never charged Japan for the illegal copying.

China hasn't learned from WWII history of Japan? At the end of war, all Japanese soldiers were allowed return back to Japan safely. Many Japanese abandoned children were fed and raised by Chinese parents. To relieve Japanese burdens, China even waived Japan's war compensation, in hope for future friendly relationships. Yet Japan under Abe see China as a threat, more than 80% Japanese hate or dislike Chinese, by Japan govt surveys. Japan is actively revising its peaceful constitution to prepare for wars. I think Chinese learned a lot from Japan not only from WWII of its savages, but also since the end of WWII for its lies and uncivilized part.

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Nobody cares now. China has not learned from Japan's WWII history, that a totalitarian dictatorship is wrong, that allowing the military to influence policy is wrong, that bullying smaller neighbors with military might is wrong. If China had learned these lessons it would not be so hated in Asia today,

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