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Japanese Americans who won redress, now fight for Black reparations

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Thirty-five years after they won that apology — and survivors of prison camps received $20,000 each— those advocates are now demanding atonement for Black Americans whose ancestors were enslaved.

Absolutely. It could be a fine engine of wealth redistribution that needs to be addressed by a wealth tax.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/12/billionaires-should-be-taxed-out-of-existence-says-thomas-piketty.html

And not only the US, France has a great debt to repay Haiti.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/10/05/1042518732/-the-greatest-heist-in-history-how-haiti-was-forced-to-pay-reparations-for-freed

A year after Reagan signed Japanese reparations into law, the late Congressman John Conyers introduced a bill to consider slavery reparations, named after the promise of 40 acres and a mule that the U.S. initially made to freed slaves.

If conservatives idolize Reagan, it is time to get behind this.

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Now I am waiting for those who talk about "woke" and all the other MAGA horse-apples to coming flying out of the woodwork complaining about the very idea of "compensation". They probably were against the Japanese-Americans getting any, and they sure as hell will about this too.

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US has strong racial civil rights laws in America,that can be address on the personal level,with criminal and civil penalties

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There is no equivalence between the two.

Not the least of which is the fact that the Japanese-Americans who received compensation were direct victims of the injustice they received compensation for.

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Zones, America have strong civil rights criminal and civil laws,if someone file a suit for racial bias , defending the lawsuit would bankrupt by itself ,this why foreigner especially should avoid being racist, because you are generally not familiar with the legal Consequences

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There remain many wrongs to right in America. More work needs to be done to convince the "White" majority that they are living in a multi-ethnic society and they need to embrace ALL their fellow Americans. "The Forgotten Man", a concept originating in the Great Depression, can still be applied the "First Peoples" of America who appear to be "last" when it comes to reparations. The mighty dollar still rules so a fairer, more distributive social model must be the way forward into the future (if only Americans can shed their irrational fears about that old bogey, "socialism").

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Nice to see these Japanese Americans - who were outrageously imprisoned for committing no crime - working as allies with Black Americans who were similarly enslaved and locked up by the US state for no reason other than profit to rich white Americans.

Reparations will come - it's just a matter of how much $$$.

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Why is this headline news? I’m not being cheeky, but I’m wondering why these stories about people seeking atonement or compensation in America or South Korea is a prime interest of most readers

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San Francisco attorney Don Tamaki, who is Japanese,

Really? Seems to me he is an American of Japanese descent, and not a Japanese citizen.

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Limited, selective reparations are problematic. Advocates need to realize that 200 or 300 years ago that slavery was a widespread global phenomenon, which spread far beyond continental US, and if there are reparations, they should have a global dimension.

For example, the "supply chain" of African slaves to the US had been firmly established in Africa by Africans. In West Africa, some nations, such as the Ashanti, actively sought out and captured Africans of certain tribes, transported them, confined them in dank jail cells and then sold them to the visiting Americans and Europeans, making big profits in the process. What about reparations for this key and lucrative part of the supply chain, without which the trade would have been impossible?

In Eastern Africa, the same thing was going on, except the sold slaves, often Bantu, were marched north under appalling conditions to the Middle East by their Swahili owners/captors to serve their Arab masters. This trade lasted was much longer than the Atlantic trade, around 1,400 years and still continues in some places! Most boys and men were castrated. What about reparations for this?

And then there is Central and South America. These regions bought in considerably more slaves than the US. Surely, Brazil, Honduras, etc. should paying considerable higher reparations than the US?

Over millennia, sub-Saharan Africans have sadly been enslaved by a host of different groups from different parts of the world, the Americans and Europeans being only two of many.

But the current movement in the US certainly isn't about fairness, by holding one group responsible and ignoring all the rest. It's about resentment.

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Absolutely. It could be a fine engine of wealth redistribution that needs to be addressed by a wealth tax. 

The socialist progressive idea will never pass. Even if it did, it would bankrupt a state that’s already close to being bankrupt.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kylesmith/2014/06/19/why-reparations-wouldnt-work/?sh=2eef832d5394

And not only the US, France has a great debt to repay Haiti. 

With what money?

If conservatives idolize Reagan, it is time to get behind this.

I do and it’s just not going to happen.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/the-impossibility-of-reparations/372041/

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Ask American who supports reparations how much money they have already given to the cause and how much of their future income they will commit and see how they answer. While I don't deny that slavery has always been and continues to be a cancer eating away at American society, these supporters of reparations are not serious people. Having a sensible, reasonably-priced healthcare system along with a safety net for children would do more for Black Americans than any reparations.

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@Bronco

I agree. Free university tuition and equal funding of all public schools would be substantial, provide a real benefit and not rip the country apart.

The descendants of Irish indentured servants who could number up to 10% of the US population could also claim reparations.

Just wait until a class-action lawsuit is launched against China for the lab leak that caused COVID.

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The socialist progressive idea will never pass.

The irony is, if there really were socialist, progressive infrastructure in the US like guaranteed health care, education and a basic income, there would not be a clamor for reparations and they would not be necessary.

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I would suggest monthly payments not lump sums. There are many improvised, to suddenly receive a lump sum, they would blow it in a week. Slavery, like the imprisonments of Japanese lasted longer than a week.

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“the "supply chain" of African slaves to the US had been firmly established in Africa by Africans”

Are you trying to blame it all on the Africans? The fact that slavery was a widespread global phenomenon doesn’t justify the slavery in the US.

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The irony is, if there really were socialist, progressive infrastructure in the US like guaranteed health care, education and a basic income, there would not be a clamor for reparations and they would not be necessary.

Well, we have an idea how it would look, the West Coast is a clear and irrefutable example of why it wouldn’t work and by the sheer number of the population alone there is just not enough money. Whose would pay? How would the money be allocated? If you come from Australia or Germany should you have to pay reparations, if so, why? Just because they’re white? If a person is black/ biracial does the white side of the family have to pay reparations to the black side? Those countries never had slaves. And then who gets the money? What about Blacks that recently arrived in the States, do they qualify? How about biracial people with black ancestry, do they qualify? Which state and for how many years should they pay, how do you calculate that? Again, if blue states want to further financial screw their States into complete irrelevancy then the leaders are hastening the demise.

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Having a sensible, reasonably-priced healthcare system along with a safety net for children would do more for Black Americans than any reparations.

The very same people who oppose affordable healthcare are the ones who are dead against reparations.

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“the "supply chain" of African slaves to the US had been firmly established in Africa by Africans”

using this logic, South Americans and South East Asians should be blamed for Americans love of illegal drugs.

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Are the 365,000 Union soldiers who died in the civil war repatriations enough?

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Well, we have an idea how it would look, the West Coast is a clear and irrefutable example of why it wouldn’t work and by the sheer number of the population alone there is just not enough money.

The "West Coast" of the US has free healthcare and education and a universal basic income?

Those Blue state socialists must not be getting the word out. Maybe if they had there would not be so many people in economic distress who would be happy with reparations.

Or rather, your knowledge of American geography, history, politics and logic is as faulty as many other things.

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One thorny issue I find hard to discuss with any but the most reasonable is the fact that vast majority of negative behavior against blacks constitutes prejudice and bigotry, but not discrimination, despite the hysterics of the intolerant of intolerance propaganda (with which I agree in spirit but not in practice).

While any negative sentiment and commentary related to any particular people should be considered deplorable, the discrimination this group of people have suffered should not be thought to be as systematic as that of Native Americans who, on the other hand, were historically treated as less than fully human, and one reason why we should refuse to support the Washington Redskins, an American Football team that obviously condones offensive slurs.

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How about $30,000 and a one way business class ticket to any west African country of their choice?

great idea except they are Americans, don’t have African passports or visas, can’t speak African languages, have houses jobs and families in USA and many are in interracial relationships.

do you suggest the same for Japanese Americans?

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Japanese Americans who won redress, now fight for Black reparations

Black Americans got it easy in the US. He'd serve the black community better by helping in South Africa.

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Meaningless when anyone can “identify” as Black.

the Japanese-Americans who were put in camps by a Democrat president are easily known and were directly affected.

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Blacklabel

Meaningless when anyone can “identify” as Black

you can’t change your race.

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Free classes on the values of working hard, saving money and investing it wisely would be more practical than throwing money into the wind.

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How much white DNA would be permissible if reparations consisted of direct payments to individuals? Would a Black American with no white DNA get more money than a Black American with green eyes and lighter skin? This is why direct payments will never happen. The white power structure is kept in place by denying Americans affordable healthcare, gerrymandering, voter restrictions and NOT lack of reparations.

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This topic is fraught with people getting offended. Personally, I am in favor of reparations to the people who suffered the injustice. For example, the survivors of residence schools in Canada. I am not in favor of reparations to the descendants of injustices...in this case slavery. There are too many questions that connect be answered properly.

For example, why should tax money paid by people who have never owned slaves be paid to people who have never been slaves? Why should the descendants of the the over 300000 dead Union soldiers, who helped free the slaves, pay for reparations? Why should the descendants of the people who never owned slaves at the time (95% of people did not own slaves) pay for reparations? Should the descendants of black people who owned slaves have to pay? Should only the south pay because the north fought for their freedom? Why not ask for reparations from the African countries who sold their own people into slavery? What percentage of "black" would you have to be to get such reparations? In the words of Thomas Sowell, probably half of the worlds population right now are the descendants of slaves, because everyone did. Why not give Natives Americans reparations? Or the descendants of all the Chinese who died building railroads? Or all the Irish who were indentured servants at some point? Every nation in the world has had slaves and has been conquered by others at some point.

The point I'm trying to make is that there are too many problems associated with this course of action. I'm all for improving educational outcomes. I'm all for human capital development. But not for reparations in this capacity. Overcorrection and being unfair to other groups of people will create more problems.

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It’s apples and oranges. The Japanese Americans who received compensation were only the living survivors who were actually incarcerated. The Afro Americans who were slaves are no longer alive many many years ago.

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Just because it has easier words for people to understand

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transracial_(identity)

So yes this is a “thing” now.

does one have to be 100% Black to get the money? Or would people with a white parent get it?

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Awa no Gaijin

African Americans are citizens.

Yes but however Africa isn't America.

The USA has a major identity crisis.

The United States aren't really United their divided.

It's la la land

All groups identity themselves by ethnic origin. Asian American. African American.

The US Census only recognizes six ethnic categories: white, black, Asian, Amerindian/Alaska native, native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander, and mixed ethnicity.

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Where would Americans be repatriated to? They are in the country of their birth. It’s a non starter.

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Wait, what about the rich Black slaveowners who trafficked and sold slaves? Or the Blacks in Africa who collected and sold slaves? Are they to pay reparations too? Let’s be equitable in this.

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Pretty sad that being American isn’t enough. You gotta sun cut divide people into little groups. Ironically it’s Africans who actually come from Africa get annoyed by Americans who have never ever been to Africa referencing themselves as African American. Your either American or not! On top of that when you leave the USA how do you identify? Gonna be really silly saying I’m African when, A) you weren’t born theirs, B) you’ve never been there, c) probably know nothing about Africa. D) when you leave the USA you probably refer to yourself as American. By cutting up Americans into smaller groups you inadvertently divide those that are perceived as TRUE patriot’s True Americans, and those that are lesser American. I think I prefer the Japanese way, you are A) Japanese (in the eyes of Japan) or B) Not Japanese. Maybe we should rename the japan today to America today because it’s really nothing to do with Japan. Especially in the National section! After all This is Japan. I think the immigrant community here has more pressing things to worry about than another racial article about the USA. They thrive on it.

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@cat stevens-I agree 100%. No one can disagree that unimaginable injustices were done to the slaves, but giving $5 million to every African-American descendant of slaves, as has been recommended in San Francisco is just crazy.

We'll have to just give the whole country and everything in it back to descendants of native Americans in that case, since I would argue that their suffering was even worse.

Spending that kind of money on improving the entire society such as on healthcare, infrastructure, financial education, tax breaks etc. would make more sense. A $5 million lump sum is like winning the lottery, and studies show that 80% of people who win the lottery blow through all of that money within a couple of years

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“Unless a person could, after reparations happened, look America in the eye and say, America has turned a corner on race, serious progress has been made, the second shoe has dropped, if people couldn't be comfortable saying that and really sitting in it and feeling it, then I'm not sure why we should go through trying to get reparations at all.”

—John McWhorter

I am a liberal and a progressive, but I think “reparations” as they are currently envisioned are unworkable and would fix nothing.

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"Reparations" forcing future generations to kneel in atonement for grievances no law or treaty would ever hold them responsible for is a political deception.

Only through learning and education can past conflicts be resolved.

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just waiting for a lib to explain the logical rationale, still waiting.

Not all libs support reparations. I don’t.

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It’s apples and oranges. The Japanese Americans who received compensation were only the living survivors who were actually incarcerated. The Afro Americans who were slaves are no longer alive many many years ago.

Bingo!

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Furthermore the first nations tribes of the continents of the now called America don't call themselves Americans.

It’s safest to distinguish between activists and non-activists. The former are revanchists and the latter not.

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Better to change society so all its citizens enjoy the benefits and rights afforded to them. Systemic racism still exists and hurts many people.

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Only through learning and education can past conflicts be resolved.

Resolution is not the purpose for those in the reparations forefront. Reparations is a tool for destroying a socio-economic system they loath to be replaced by one yet to be configured.

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Abe234 -

Africans who actually come from Africa get annoyed by Americans who have never ever been to Africa referencing themselves as African American. Your either American or not! On top of that when you leave the USA how do you identify? 

So you also don't believe in the terms "Japanese-American"? "Irish-American"? Etc. I guess the name of the Japanese-American Museum needs to be changed?

These are simply used to identify ones background. African Americans have their ethnic background in Africa. Simple as that.

giving $5 million to every African-American descendant of slaves, as has been recommended in San Francisco is just crazy.

Realistically, there's no way African-Americans will get a handout of $5 million. The nation would be bankrupted. Going on the precedent of Japanese-Americans, a $20-50,000 cash reparation is far more likely.

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Americans are just American.

all the hyphenated stuff is unnecessary.

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> zones2surfToday 08:03 am JST

There is no equivalence between the two.

> Not the least of which is the fact that the Japanese-Americans who received compensation were direct victims of the injustice they received compensation for.

True, but you also should remember that the U.S. addressed that issue while those Japanese -Americans were still alive. Slavery existed for quite a few generations and there's also no equivalence in the treatment. Whippings, lynchings and lack of any rights whatsoever was the way of life for slaves for hundreds of years. It was not a one-off incidence of a miscarriage of justice and the U.S. as a whole benefitted greatly without giving anything of worth back. Recently, the descendants of a black family whose beach (Bruce's Beach, Los Angeles) was stolen from them won the return of the property and then sold it back to LA county for a huge sum to help right the wrong that was done. While I don't really know which side to stand on the reparations issue, the money is seen as a way to address past wrongs as it's impossible to compensate the direct victims. Think of a family whose loved one may have been killed in an accident where someone was negligent, the direct victim may be gone but the remaining family member(s) receives compensation.

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In the words of Thomas Sowell, probably half of the worlds population right now are the descendants of slaves, because everyone did.

Sowell is the conservative semi-intellectual corporate shill trotted out by rightists when they need to hold up a black voice on issues.

A true intellectual, Cornell West, sums him and others up pretty well.

https://www.religion-online.org/article/unmasking-the-black-conservatives/

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great idea!

Now all we need to do is force white Americans who never owned slaves to give their money to black Americans who never were slaves.

This will end well for everyone and solve any problems in race relations.

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What's missing here? Reparations for German-American and Italian-American internment during World War II.

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Good, US minorities united against US white supremacism..

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The socialist progressive idea will never pass

It is unstoppable, fascism is dying..

If conservatives idolize Reagan, it is time to get behind this.

I do and it’s just not going to happen.

Reaganbelievers in 21st century are pathetic..

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I would love to get money from the government for something that happened to my great-grandparents. Where do I sign up?

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I would love to get money from the government for something that happened to my great-grandparents. Where do I sign up?

Unless you're around 100 years old, thats a stretch. The Emancipation Proclamation was in 1863.

Let the leftist NPCs cry.

Cancerous reparations will never happen and they know it.

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It is unstoppable, fascism is dying.. 

That’s not even remotely close to the truth.

Reaganbelievers in 21st century are pathetic..

Why? Because they see through faulty liberal logic??? And this one really tops it.

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I would love to get money from the government for something that happened to my great-grandparents. Where do I sign up?

Why? Did anything actually happen to your great-grandparents - like the crimes against Japanese-Americans and Afro-Americans - to actually warrant reparations?

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Reading this article has reminded me of the incarceration in camps of Okinawa residents who survived the fierce Battle of Okinawa while U.S. occupation forces worked hard to build bases everywhere.  

Of course, you can't compare U.S. citizens' movement to ask for apologies or reparations for the U.S. government's past wrongdoings with the treatment of war-defeated enemies. Even so, Okinawa residents have every right to ask for apologies for this still ongoing U.S. military presence on the island.

Reduce this excessive U.S. military footprint now and forever as former U.S. President Bill Clinton promised when he visited here in 2000 for a summit meeting.

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Okinawa residents have every right to ask for apologies for this still ongoing U.S. military presence on the island.

And in the insanely stupid scenario where they do leave, exposing Japan and Korea to Chinese aggression, who do they then blame for the implosion of the local economy?

Reduce this excessive U.S. military footprint now and forever as former U.S. President Bill Clinton promised when he visited here in 2000 for a summit meeting.

the reason this hasn't happened is a little thing called reality.

The hurt feelings of professional leftist victims don't mean squat in the real world where evil men exist.

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dagonToday  11:47 am JST

In the words of Thomas Sowell, probably half of the worlds population right now are the descendants of slaves, because everyone did.

Sowell is the conservative semi-intellectual corporate shill trotted out by rightists when they need to hold up a black voice on issues.

A true intellectual, Cornell West, sums him and others up pretty well.

https://www.religion-online.org/article/unmasking-the-black-conservatives/

Dagon, you are welcome to your opinion of him. Doesn't take away from the fact that Sowell is right. He's also a libertarian who is equally critical of conservatives...but you would know that if you knew anything about him. I used to like Cornell West, but I find his opinions on things unrealistic. Cornell is the semi-intellectual progressive shill that progressives trot out when they need a black voice to hold up their arguments. (see how that works) Furthermore, I am definitely not a conservative or a rightist or whatever other label you have. Next time, criticize my arguments. I'm happy to defend them.

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and one reason why we should refuse to support the Washington Redskins, an American Football team that obviously condones offensive slurs

Walter 'Blackie' Wetzel, an Indian, designed the Indian logo on the Washington Redskins helmet. And he and his people were quite proud of that.

The word redskin is not derogatory at all. It is only derogatory if you want it to be. The Indians call themselves redskins.

Wetzel was a strong advocate for his people. He didn't want handouts from the federal government because it's a slow suffocation and he knew it. He wanted his people to be self-governed.

He knew they were getting cancelled just like Uncle Ben, Aunt Jemima, Land O'Lakes Indian butter girl, etc.

And who is cancelling these icons? Yep. The real racists. The political left.

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2020/07/23/walter-blackie-wetzel-washington-redskins-logo-blackfeet-washington-football-team/5444162002/

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A historical note: Japanese-American internment was limited to Washington, Oregon and California. Significantly, Japanese residents and Japanese-American citizens in Hawaii were NOT interned.

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I could wrong but I don't remember hearing about ethnic germans and italians getting money and or an apology from the federal government about their internment.

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Boy oh boy the racists really hate it when a national treasure like Thomas Sowell speaks his eloquent wisdom.

If only they would think instead of rearing their all too common racist heads when he states common sense.

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and one reason why we should refuse to support the Washington Redskins, an American Football team that obviously condones offensive slurs

How about the Notre Dame FIGHTING IRISH? Or the Boston Celtics? Or the Minnesota Vikings?

And the list can go on and on.

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A historical note: Japanese-American internment was limited to Washington, Oregon and California. Significantly, Japanese residents and Japanese-American citizens in Hawaii were NOT interned.

And here is the irony. Ethnic germans who were in Hawaii at the time were interned.

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and one reason why we should refuse to support the Washington Redskins, an American Football team that obviously condones offensive slurs

Been living with your head in the sand? They havent been called the "Redskins" for going on 3 years now. Just trying to stir the pot with a stale comment.

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The word redskin is not derogatory at all. It is only derogatory if you want it to be. The Indians call themselves redskins.

Hmm, where have we seen this reasoning with other ethnic slurs before?

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German and Italian-Americas and residents who were discriminated against in World War 2 were first acknowledged on Nov. 19, 1999: "Congressman Matt Salmon placed a statement on Proclamation 2526 in the Extension of Remarks section of the Congressional Record." He pushed for a full account of all Americans of all who suffered of all Americans who suffered discriminational during WWII.

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dagonToday  02:49 pm JST

The word redskin is not derogatory at all. It is only derogatory if you want it to be. The Indians call themselves redskins.

Hmm, where have we seen this reasoning with other ethnic slurs before?

Per usual. Politically left minded people intentionally ignoring the fact that Indians have zero issue with the word redskin, per Wetzel himself.

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Randy JohnsonToday  02:33 pm JST

A historical note: Japanese-American internment was limited to Washington, Oregon and California. Significantly, Japanese residents and Japanese-American citizens in Hawaii were NOT interned.

And here is the irony. Ethnic germans who were in Hawaii at the time were interned.

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It's stunning how people thumbs down a historical fact. Some people just really hate the truth.

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Footnote: There were Internment camps in Hawaii during WWII:

Sand Island Detention Camp

"This camp detained internees until March 1, 1943, having immediately opened after the Pearl Harbor attack. Approximately $500,000 was spent on improving and maintaining the facilities. At one point, it consisted of two enclosures holding 250 Japanese males each, one holding 40 females of mixed races and one for 25 people of German or Italian ancestry."

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Hmm, where have we seen this reasoning with other ethnic slurs before?

Per usual. Politically left minded people intentionally ignoring the fact that Indians have zero issue with the word redskin, per Wetzel himself.

I am sure you got a hood pass too Randy. Why don't you try it out sometime?

In the end, most racial consciousness is a distraction from the true issues of class and economic disenfranchisement.

But the ones who always whine about a supposed "reverse racism " never want to address that.

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dagonToday  02:49 pm JST

The word redskin is not derogatory at all. It is only derogatory if you want it to be. The Indians call themselves redskins.

Hmm, where have we seen this reasoning with other ethnic slurs before?

Long time family friend, full-blooded Indian, said much worse things in reference to his own tribe/reservation.

No one in our circle would encourage him to say such things nor did anyone in our circle utter such words.

He was clearly disgusted how people would lend themselves to be slaves to handouts from the federal government resulting in lost lives of drugs and alcoholism and jail.

He was wise. He got off the reservation and made one helluva good life for himself. And not to mention, one helluva good golfer.

Unfortunately, he passed away three years ago.

He was well loved and is sorely missed.

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dagonToday  03:18 pm JST

Hmm, where have we seen this reasoning with other ethnic slurs before?

Per usual. Politically left minded people intentionally ignoring the fact that Indians have zero issue with the word redskin, per Wetzel himself.

Still ignoring it I see.

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https://www.hawaiiinternment.org/students/internment-camps-hawai‘i

There is more to the story above. On the whole, Japanese and residents were not put in camps. Two days after Pearl Harbor General Delos Emma's declared: "No person, be he citizen alien, need worry. provided he is not connected with subversive elements..." (Takagi, 1993, 378-279). Japanese and Japanese-American children went to school together and taught anti-discrimination. The school system maintained: "Let us keep constantly in mind that America is not making war on citizens of the United States or on law-abiding aliens within America (Takagi 1993: 379).

There more to the Hawaii camps no doubt.

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Whilst I wish them luck if they can get it, I am rather surprised that they are asking for it, as it was common in wartime for foreign nationals from an enemy country to be imprisoned, in fact I used to know an Italian who was working in England when the Italians joined World War two, and he spent the rest of the war working on a farm. where he told me he was very well treated.

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I propose that people willing to receive any compensation to create a new country inside the USA, it would also be called the USA (Ununited States of America). Divide country in two and let's how it works.

Seriously, at that time and hour of our history, I find it so pitiful some can think about asking financial compensation when no connection can be proved between a personal situation and a historical (deplorable) injustice.

As for the remembrance, if I know well enough history, there is a MLK day for reflexion and Juneteenth since 2021 for apology about Black slavery.

Any person can help for fighting for people rights, but not for personal gains.

Creating division on an ideological basis as never led to more peace ...

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Here is something about those camps in Hawaii. The U.S. War Department argued for a mass evacuation of Japanese from Hawaii (Takaki, 1993: 379). General Emmons argued that Japanese Americans and residents were not doing any damage and furthermore the proposed mass evacuation would create mass chaos. Result was that only 1,444 Japanese in Hawaii were interred (Takaki, 19930). Why the 1,444?

I guess they were the ones put into those camps.

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Yubaru,

Aren't all these minority groups of people in the U.S. -- the people of Japanese descendant, native Americans, descendants of former slaves, and all -- indebted to the United States government for where they live, the clothes they wear, the food they eat, the security and education they receive?

In your opinion, is it hypocritical to ask for indemnity or reparations?

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jeancolmarToday  04:16 pm JST

Here is something about those camps in Hawaii. The U.S. War Department argued for a mass evacuation of Japanese from Hawaii (Takaki, 1993: 379). General Emmons argued that Japanese Americans and residents were not doing any damage and furthermore the proposed mass evacuation would create mass chaos. Result was that only 1,444 Japanese in Hawaii were interred (Takaki, 19930). Why the 1,444?

I guess they were the ones put into those camps.

It was discovered that japanese nationals living in the U.S. and American citizens of japanese decent were in fact spying on the behalf of the japanese govt/military.

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In your opinion, is it hypocritical to ask for indemnity or reparations?

Nope, only hypocritical for you! You aren't American, and your country is responsible for anything you think you deserve. Take your case to the right place, the Japanese government. Quit barking up the wrong tree.

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Today  04:28 pm JSTPosted in: Japanese Americans who won redress, now fight for Black reparations  See in context

jeancolmarToday  04:16 pm JST

Here is something about those camps in Hawaii. The U.S. War Department argued for a mass evacuation of Japanese from Hawaii (Takaki, 1993: 379). General Emmons argued that Japanese Americans and residents were not doing any damage and furthermore the proposed mass evacuation would create mass chaos. Result was that only 1,444 Japanese in Hawaii were interred (Takaki, 19930). Why the 1,444?

I guess they were the ones put into those camps.

It was discovered that japanese nationals living in the U.S. and American citizens of japanese decent were in fact spying on the behalf of the japanese govt/military.

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More thumbs down even it is fact. Some certain political people just hate the facts.

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Randy JohnsonToday  03:20 pm JST

dagonToday  02:49 pm JST

The word redskin is not derogatory at all. It is only derogatory if you want it to be. The Indians call themselves redskins.

Hmm, where have we seen this reasoning with other ethnic slurs before?

Long time family friend, full-blooded Indian, said much worse things in reference to his own tribe/reservation.

No one in our circle would encourage him to say such things nor did anyone in our circle utter such words.

He was clearly disgusted how people would lend themselves to be slaves to handouts from the federal government resulting in lost lives of drugs and alcoholism and jail.

He was wise. He got off the reservation and made one helluva good life for himself. And not to mention, one helluva good golfer.

Unfortunately, he passed away three years ago.

He was well loved and is sorely missed.

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A certain type of political people simply cannot and or will not handle reality.

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“I see the Japanese American community, and by extension the Asian American community, indispensable to realizing reparations for Black people.”

Reparations in the US absolutely should be paid to black people.

And the UK should make those payments.

After all, the UK, which engaged in forced slavery of blacks for hundreds of years, is responsible for the damage done by that crime against humanity in its former colonies.

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Hmm, where have we seen this reasoning with other ethnic slurs before?

this same character slanders the intellectual giant Thomas Sowell as "having blow average intelligence" and as being used by the "white man" as a tool.

In the old days, they simply said "Uncle Tom".

This is the fate that awaits free-thinking blacks who stray from the narrative set by white liberals.

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dagonToday  03:18 pm JST

Hmm, where have we seen this reasoning with other ethnic slurs before?

Per usual. Politically left minded people intentionally ignoring the fact that Indians have zero issue with the word redskin, per Wetzel himself.

Still ignoring it I see.

don't sweat it, Randy.

White liberals will be outraged on behalf of the people they insist are being oppressed.

(The oppressed are just too dumb and stupid to realize it, don't you know)

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Even today lots of White people do not know the kind of social and legal hell,they can get into ,but some are not even deterred from being racist

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ulyssesToday  07:56 pm JST

If killing people for being of a certain color is not oppression, what is?

Good question.

What does this say about the black in black murder rates in the US?

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YrralToday  07:50 pm JST

Even today lots of White people do not know the kind of social and legal hell,they can get into ,but some are not even deterred from being racist

Yes. Democrat leftists are this for sure.

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What does this say about the black in black murder rates in the US?

What does it say about police killing blacks disproportionately?

Would that be a good question, or inconvenient one???

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