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Kishida, 3 ministers eat Fukushima fish to show it's safe

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By MARI YAMAGUCHI

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How often they do that? Everyday? Breakfast, lunch and dinner?

-20 ( +21 / -41 )

Wow, he is positively glowing!

-7 ( +32 / -39 )

How often they do that? Everyday? Breakfast, lunch and dinner?

So despite all the scoffing over the last year demanding exactly this, you're still not satisfied?

27 ( +42 / -15 )

Eating produce from an area that has suffered radioactive contamination is not conducive to health.

-11 ( +18 / -29 )

Another staged PR event, we all know in private they don't opt to do so.

-7 ( +22 / -29 )

Good for them.

Sadly, the anti-science folk will not believe any efforts to demonstrate safety. They'll insist that all produce and seafood from Japan will be inedible for 50 years - when in reality, it is safe and tested.

I guess the doubters will have to eat Chinese-sourced food for the next 50 years.

10 ( +30 / -20 )

I hope he used low salt 減塩 soy sauce to season his fish.

The standard variety will kill you quicker than anything else in the Fukushima water.

5 ( +17 / -12 )

I guess the doubters will have to eat Chinese-sourced food for the next 50 years.

Ahh, but no one has ever seen Chinese leaders eat the food from companies or businesses that were selling contaminated food or fresh fish products imported from there that were contaminated as well.

2 ( +12 / -10 )

Japan doesn't need to export seafood, Japan can consume them all in school lunches, SDF meals, etc.

So stop trying to fight with countries trying to ban Japanese seafood.

-17 ( +7 / -24 )

This has echoes of Minamata disease when the business leaders and politicians staged a press conference and drank from "locally sourced water" (in fact bottled water) and assured everyone it was safe.

Has shades of PM Suga going the crippled plant and being presented with a bottle of water by TEPCO and insisting it is safe to drink (without actually drinking it).

There is a huge difference between highly contaminated water that was used to cool the molten cores of the reactors fuelled by MOX Fuel of a nuclear disaster and the water released during the normal operation of a nuclear plant.

The fact is the environmental impact and potential long term health implications are far from known. There has been a concerted campaign to falsely obscure the truth in the local and western media.

But hey, certain quarters seem eager to trust the company and the government who have lied from Day One. Such a brazen media stunt in the middle of a warped media campaign.

Clearly, the PM's office switched the Fukushima produce for something else; anyone who knows anything about the ruling class of Japan knows that they don't become the canaries in the coal mine. That job is for the little people; you.

-1 ( +22 / -23 )

Eat seafood a month from now. Not in the beginning of the dump.

7 ( +22 / -15 )

Reminds me of the Chisso Corp president drinking water from the cyclator that wasn't even connected to the acetaldehyde plant, which contained the mercury.

9 ( +16 / -7 )

You’ll never convince scientifically illiterate people that the water being released is safe. They don’t have the brain cells to understand the physics and chemistry of it all.

-8 ( +12 / -20 )

The 1000 cubic meter tanks where the water is stored have to all be the same. Otherwise you couldn’t claim it’s all safe to be released. You could only say the samples were safe, if at all.

There are 1000 tanks for a total of 1,000,000 cubic meters. The sample taken for tests and analyses are provided by TEPCO and monitored per IAEA in its report. TEPCO decides which tanks to take samples from. IAEA only watches. These tanks, all of them, are not accessible for inspection. IAEA is just monitoring the sample taking. Now which type of samples do you think TEPCO will provide for IAEA analyses, safe or unsafe samples? It’s possible they’re all safe but IAEA can only do so much. The rest is just trusting in TEPCO.

Also, the tanks are interconnected and the contents are circulated by pumping. Do you trust TEPCO to mix or to homogenize all 1000 cubic meter tanks so the water is all homogenized with no variations in radioactivity, strontium, cesium, carbon-14? It’s all just safe.

Previously, TEPCO had performed a circulation and agitation experiment at K4-B to demonstrate the adequacy of its method for ensuring the homogenisation of the ALPS treated water content prior to sampling [7]. 

The homogenization is also done by TEPCO unmonitored.

So if you say the water will be tested over three decades as it is released and not just one time - IAEA will be there - then that you cannot say it is all safe at this point because the actual testing of non-tested water has not been carried out yet. Yet it is just, it is safe.

-2 ( +7 / -9 )

You’ll never convince scientifically illiterate people that the water being released is safe. They don’t have the brain cells to understand the physics and chemistry of it all

How do you know the water, all million cubic meters of the contaminated water, is safe when you’ve only tested a small portion of it in a few laboratories?

The questions raised here are not scientific questions but ones of accountability and competence.

-3 ( +10 / -13 )

Another staged PR event, we all know in private they don't opt to do so.

Eat seafood a month from now. Not in the beginning of the dump.

Reminds me of the Chisso Corp president drinking water from the cyclator that wasn't even connected to the acetaldehyde plant, which contained the mercury.

-17 ( +3 / -20 )

Reminds me of the time, 30-odd years ago now, when a certain tory minister in Thatcher’s government, John Selwyn Gummer, ate hamburger with his daughter in front of the press to prove beef was safe and that humans couldn’t get infected by BSE. That came back to haunt him years later.

1 ( +7 / -6 )

Fukushima is a very large prefecture with most areas without radiation other than background. The food is safe.

12 ( +16 / -4 )

All excellent points.

We've already stopped eating fish from Japan.

-13 ( +9 / -22 )

Excellent. Please continue to publicly consume food stuffs from Fukushima on a daily basis.

Humans can survive one meal with low dosages of poison. Consistently consuming such food, however, is a different story.

I do appreciate that a Japanese prime minister has finally put his health where his mouth is.

-3 ( +8 / -11 )

Excellent. Please continue to publicly consume food stuffs from Fukushima on a daily basis.

Humans can survive one meal with low dosages of poison. Consistently consuming such food, however, is a different story. 

I do appreciate that a Japanese prime minister has finally put his health where his mouth is.

100% agreed

-12 ( +3 / -15 )

He and Nishimura take us for fools. Go there every month and eat sashimi at the port from the fresh catch of the day. Have the TV crew follow the catch all the way to their mouths. Do it for all subsequent administrations as well, because from what I hear, it will take 30 years, so make it a part of their routine, then maybe I'll believe these clowns. Oh, BTW Kishida, I ate sashimi last night as well, and it doesn't prove a dang thing.

0 ( +9 / -9 )

There is a huge difference between highly contaminated water that was used to cool the molten cores of the reactors fuelled by MOX Fuel of a nuclear disaster and the water released during the normal operation of a nuclear plant.

Yes exactly

Ive said that before also.

One is dirty bath water. The other has gone through the system and would be urine.

-9 ( +2 / -11 )

How about you to swim in the waters everyday for a week or 2 or 3 and live there with the locals and then say it’s safe.

-3 ( +5 / -8 )

I think this is a big mistake?! What if Mr. Kishida or any of these members got ill for any other reason over the next few days or weeks ??

-3 ( +3 / -6 )

I do not see him eating and drinking treated water, liar!!!!

he is just posing to cheat people . this guy is really mocking citizens.

FULL BAN NEEDED!!!!

-19 ( +6 / -25 )

""Wow, he is positively glowing!""

Hell of a post.

-4 ( +8 / -12 )

METI, the Ministry of Economy Trade and Ministry puts out a graphic that shows the Volume of Tritium Discharge in Liquid Form for Major Nuclear Power-related Facilities Worldwide. It shows various countries’ numbers, and the point is to show Japan is only releasing very little compared to other countries:

US Diablo Canyon 82 trillion Bq

China Fuqing 52 trillion Bq

France La Hague 11,400 trillion Bq

Japan Fukushima 22 trillion Bq

If it’s safe to release tritium then why bring up the amount released by other plants?

As mentioned previously, nuclear waste water containing tritium can be safely discharged. So henceforth, there is nothing wrong for the US or France nor any other country to discharge waste water as long as it has been stored and treated properly.

These two types of water, contaminated and cooling water are inherently different however, as they come from different sources, contain different radionuclides and require different levels of sophistication in terms of the treatment methods involved.

-1 ( +7 / -8 )

Somebody's advisers have been watching too many Simpsons episodes

5 ( +8 / -3 )

How does this show it's safe? It just shows he believes it's safe.

-1 ( +8 / -9 )

Is what Kishida is eating really fish from Fukushima? If so, will he continue eat it with every meal?

So far we are seeing nothing but theatrics from Kishida.

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

Seafood has enough heavy metals as it is. I'll take a polite pass

5 ( +5 / -0 )

Prime Minister Fumio Kishida,

How can you say it is safe to eat the fish which has just been poisoned by radioactive water you cast into the Pacific Ocean last week?

The radioactivie poison may take a week! or a month!! or a year!!!or more!!!! to manifest itself.

If it is one year, you and people who follow your example are not ill with radioactice illness THEN you may advise your countrymen to eat the fish! Okay?

-9 ( +2 / -11 )

The officials also explained the monitors in the seismic isolation building’s remote control room, where operators check for abnormalities in the discharge.

They said they patrol the relevant facilities once a day to check for any unusual sounds from the pump or leaks from the pipes.

Hey, did hear that?

What was that?

Shhh listen, d’you hear that?

Does this give you confidence in TEPCO?

In the end, TEPCO promises it will be safe. That is different from it is safe.

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

Putting aside the actual radioactivity of the waters at Fukushima, this is a mockery of the Japanese people. It is quite obvious that a single meal has a very low likelihood of causing any permanent harm but continuing on a much longer term may cause cancer or other illnesses. Please stop with this pointless gesturing and go do something useful for once.

-3 ( +8 / -11 )

Putting aside the actual radioactivity of the waters at Fukushima, this is a mockery of the Japanese people. It is quite obvious that a single meal has a very low likelihood of causing any permanent harm but continuing on a much longer term may cause cancer or other illnesses. Please stop with this pointless gesturing and go do something useful for once.

Japan loves the dog and pony show. Many buy it.

-10 ( +6 / -16 )

If it is one year, you and people who follow your example are not ill with radioactice illness THEN you may advise your countrymen to eat the fish! Okay?

Yeah, it’s safe after just one week.

To bring the damage into perspective, the other Level 7 accident, Chernobyl, remains quarantined from the rest of the world up to now. The government has stopped and contained the reactor in Chernobyl, while Fukushima’s is still reacting.

Japan is suggesting that Fukushima, also a Level 7 (and a less well managed one), is already safe to humans after just about a decade.

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

What a joke. That could have been in a deep freeze for 6 months.

Check again next year.

-2 ( +6 / -8 )

I know it's fun to sit around and get all mad and pretend you're Captain Planet or whatever, but you people do realize that the water has been tested by UN-affiliated scientific agencies with diverse international membership, both of which deemed it to be well within the thresholds of international safety standards, and the water is actually 7 times lower than the radioactivity standard of DRINKING WATER... and that nuclear power plants around the globe routinely discharge cooling water into the oceans, don't you?

If not, keep marching around with you pitchforks and torches with your Chinese and Korean buddies.

"How DARE you!?!?!"

5 ( +9 / -4 )

*That TEPCO promises it will be safe is insufficient to conclude that it is safe.

*The IAEA also didn’t assess the efficacy and long-term reliability of Japan’s treatment facilities and therefore cannot guarantee that all nuclear-contaminated water will be up to standard after treatment in the next 30 years. 

*Samples are from tanks that are chosen and taken by TEPCO: self-auditing, self-inspection, self-evaluation. While the taking of samples is monitored by the IAEA, the selective and cherry picking from among one thousand 1000 cubic meter tanks negates the watchdog effect.

*The homogenization of the water in over a million cubic meters of contaminated water is done by TEPCO and not a third party.

*The homogenization of the water in over a million cubic meters of contaminated water was done by TEPCO unmonitored per IAEA report:

Previously, TEPCO had performed a circulation and agitation experiment at K4-B to demonstrate the adequacy of its method for ensuring the homogenisation of the ALPS treated water content prior to sampling [7].

*The types of water, contaminated and cooling waste water discharge from other countries are inherently different as they come from different sources, contain different radionuclides and require different levels of sophistication in terms of the treatment methods involved.

*Fukushima unlike Chernobyl is not done and is still reacting rendering impossible to conclude future waters will be safe.

*ALPS cannot remove all elements. Professor Koyama Ryota, an expert of the ALPS commission says that due to the prolonged storage of contaminated water, they are unable to change the filters, and 70% of 1000 containers had contained other elements besides tritium.

*Titrium distraction and deflection and insufficient information on other heavy metals and radioactive elements. If mentioned in report, the samples are collected by TEPCO from selected tanks and not randomly done by a third party.

*The impact of long-running discharge on the marine environment and food safety is not something that Japan, the IAEA or the world can easily draw a conclusion on.

*Credibility of TEPCO has not been restored despite IAEA involvement and what the IAEA can monitor is limited. TEPCO tried to cover up the meltdown of the reactor from the Japanese government and downplayed it back in 2011.

*There are allegations of IAEA being bribed by to which Japan has denied.

*There are allegations the report was already decided and the tests and analyses were made to match the report.

*Attempts to obfuscate and distract from the decision to release contaminated water by intentionally bringing attention to panic responses by worried citizens such as the hoarding of salt and angry responses such as the throwing of bricks, in effort to portray Japan as a victim.

*There has never been a precedent to discharging nuclear contaminated water into the oceans.

*Lack of understanding of IAEA’s role among JT posters, namely the agency does not approve or grant permission of the water release. The IAEA report emphasizes that the release of the treated water stored at Fukushima Daiichi Power Station is a national decision by the Government of Japan and that “this report is neither a recommendation nor an endorsement of that policy.”

-7 ( +2 / -9 )

The fish is probably no more dangerous than before the triple meltdown, and the act of eating it is inconsequential. The real problem is that Kishida and the LDP have no clear plan or honest desire to wean Japan off of fossil fuels or nuclear power.

2 ( +6 / -4 )

The fish is probably no more dangerous than before the triple meltdown,

Probably. Maybe.

The real problem is that Looters Dont Pay and its all more of the same smile for the cameras

food fairs and safety water x 80 more years~ ccplease send votes

Couldnt agree more

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

I just wonder how many people died of fish generally contaminated radioactive substances from Fukushima sea and how many people have been suffering from radioactive substances since 2011 and died there? As far as I know, no one died from radiation, maybe it may be wrong, but how many people died and been sick there. They are eating fish almost every day.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

China regularly discharges water into the ocean from its own nuclear power plants with three times the tritium as Fukushima. I think they forgot to mention that, and I think most of you forgot to realize that.

From The Guardian: fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-power-plant-china-wastewater-release

4 ( +5 / -1 )

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/25/fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-power-plant-china-wastewater-release

0 ( +1 / -1 )

China regularly discharges water into the ocean from its own nuclear power plants with three times the tritium as Fukushima. I think they forgot to mention that, and I think most of you forgot to realize that.

Nuclear waste water and contaminated water are not the same. One has come into contact. The other is used to cool.

Japan Fukushima 22 trillion Bq

Canada Bruce A, B Nuclear 756 trillion Bq

France La Hague 11,400 trillion Bq

China is not making a point of tritium but other heavy metals. China, France, Canada all irrelevant.

China is giving a heads up, the 1 million tonnes is what’s in the barrels today. They’re going to be making vast amounts more contaminated water for the following 30 years they need to keep cooling the rods.

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

just wonder how many people died of fish generally contaminated radioactive substances

Right, side effects and long term stuff too?

Hey I got it!

Call up captain highliner posing up there for cameras and tell him the people wanna know.

3rd partry Real numbers please not massages and field goals.

Betcha you wont will ya. Cus ya know what the answers gonna be dontcha?

I double betcha if it was gonna be good news itd be everywhere already. Wall to wall headlines

for 80 more yrs.

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

I think they forgot to mention that, and I think most of you forgot to realize that.

You forgot to realize that this amount seems small because they are releasing it gradually, over 30 years.

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

As far as I know, no one died from radiation, maybe it may be wrong, but how many people died and been sick there. They are eating fish almost every day.

The Japanese claim that the water released will be safe because they have diluted the tritium of water to 1/40th of their national standard for the disposal of waste water.

If I split a lethal dose of cyanide into 40 cups of water, and you drank all 40 cups over a time span. Does that mean that you consumed less poison?

You would not die immediately like if you had drunk the dose in one go, but the poison is still accumulated in your body, and you will eventually die.

Is dilution really the solution to pollution?

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

Right, side effects and long term stuff too?

It is said that tritium is reduced by half in 12, 13 years. Most trituim water around Daiichi nuclear plant would be just almost just water 30 years later in ocean. No worry about future effects.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

a perfect display of Kabuki theater!

-6 ( +0 / -6 )

You would not die immediately like if you had drunk the dose in one go, but the poison is still accumulated in your body, and you will eventually die.

Is dilution really the solution to pollution?

If you say so, almost everything seems harmful. Cars, trucks, vessels, airplanes, factories, plants and so on are emitting all kinds of gas pollutants out every day. So you say we humans must stop those?

3 ( +3 / -0 )

Right, side effects and long term stuff too?

It is said that tritium is reduced by half in 12, 13 years. Most trituim water around Daiichi nuclear plant would be just almost just water 30 years later in ocean. No worry about future effects.

From my understanding, half-life is exponential, meaning that if the half-life of Tritium is 12.3 years, the amount of radiation will be reduced by half in that time. Then in another 12.3 years, half of that amount of radiation will be reduced. For example, 12-6-3-1.5 etc. Not 12-6-0

2 ( +2 / -0 )

From my understanding, half-life is exponential, meaning that if the half-life of Tritium is 12.3 years, the amount of radiation will be reduced by half in that time. Then in another 12.3 years, half of that amount of radiation will be reduced.

Your understanding is correct; this is how half-lives work.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

From my understanding, half-life is exponential, meaning that if the half-life of Tritium is 12.3 years, the amount of radiation will be reduced by half in that time. Then in another 12.3 years, half of that amount of radiation will be reduced. For example, 12-6-3-1.5 etc. Not 12-6-0

Your calculation must be right. It seems tritium becomes just water about 35 years later in ocean? No?

1 ( +1 / -0 )

The fish from Fukushima waters is a million times safer than anything you can eat off the coast of Hong Kong or any inland rivers throughout China. This hysteria from China and South Korea over Fukushima waters is the most dumbest thing ever, considering both release way more tritium from their power plants in a year compared to what Fukushima will be doing in a decade. So utterly stupid.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

After 35 years, tritiated water is left with around 5% of its original radioactivity from tritium.

I haven't looked into this at all, so this is an honest question. Someone a few posts back said it has a half-life of 12.3 years, so 35 years would be roughly three half-lives, which by my calculations would be:

100% - 50% - 25% - 12.5%

Are there other factors that make it lower?

1 ( +1 / -0 )

For many years now the amount of Tritium being released at Fukishima is so much much less contaminated than the Tritium being released from the 13 Chinese nuclear reactors, and they do not dilute theirs. The true figures of of this contamination are hidden by the CCP and their data records have been obscured. Now I wonder why that is?

1 ( +2 / -1 )

This was not an effective way to appeal to the public, but it is better than doing nothing and, perhaps, not at all better than the Japanese opposition parties that are spreading rumors.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Kishida isn’t even eating the food!

He is just posing with it…

-11 ( +0 / -11 )

it comes out as roughly 13.9%

Is that harmful to human's health and other animals? I've heard there is always some tritium in the nature word.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Sine the 1970s Fukushima NPP has released water with Tritium in it.

5 ( +5 / -0 )

Question is are there other radionuclides present in the wastewater to be released.

Talking about tritium as if it is the greatest concern is misleading at best.

If there are no other radionuclides present, articles about the wastewater should clearly and emphatically say so.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Of course it’s safe you can’t deceive as the biohazard water only begun the release and have not released the entire pool yet. Besides that, you won’t get sick right away unless it was a megadose of radiation. Don’t fooled

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

The fish probably were caught in Okinawa.

-10 ( +1 / -11 )

Lots of misinformation/disinformation on this topic, which is no surprise. I wonder how much of it is genuine concern, and how much is deliberately malign/paid-for.

For anyone in the former camp, who genuinely wants to learn about a topic of great importance, please ignore the usual anti-Japan trolls and read information directly from the sources. Here are the basics from the IAEA:

https://www.iaea.org/topics/response/fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-accident/fukushima-daiichi-alps-treated-water-discharge/faq

And here are specifics from TEPCO. Many people won't trust TEPCO, which is understandable given its history, but nevertheless the data is there, and the process is being monitored by the IAEA and independent laboratories:

https://www4.tepco.co.jp/en/decommission/progress/watertreatment/index-e.html

If you're still unconvinced after reading the facts, rather than troll postings, that's fine: it's your prerogative.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

If there are no other radionuclides present, articles about the wastewater should clearly and emphatically say so.

Before dilution, the only radionuclide exceeding the standard value is tritium; all others are well below the standard value. The other nuclides are all well below the standard values. Furthermore, this is diluted and discharged into the ocean. The information is available at the following url. It is possible that those below the detection limit have been completely removed, but just to be safe, calculations have been made using the detection limit.

https://fukushima-updates.reconstruction.go.jp/faq/fk_270.html ( https://fukushima-updates.reconstruction.go.jp/assets/img/fukushimafaq/fk_270/1600x903.png )

*Orange indicates before treatment, blue indicates after treatment

*From left to right: cesium-134, cesium-137, cobalt-60, rudenium-106, antimony-125, strontium-90, iodine-129, carbon-14, other 55 nuclides, tritium

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Why is he smilin nervously?

-8 ( +1 / -9 )

If there are no other radionuclides present, articles about the wastewater should clearly and emphatically say so.

> Before dilution, the only radionuclide exceeding the standard value is tritium; all others are well below the standard value. The other nuclides are all well below the standard values. Furthermore, this is diluted and discharged into the ocean. The information is available at the following url. It is possible that those below the detection limit have been completely removed, but just to be safe, calculations have been made using the detection limit.

> https://fukushima-updates.reconstruction.go.jp/faq/fk_270.html

You're kidding right?

-3 ( +0 / -3 )

If you're still unconvinced after reading the facts, rather than troll postings, that's fine: it's your prerogative.

Don't know those facts, but if it will be helpful they should have been disseminated in the news always.

Should be easy to write in every article that the water released/ will be released is free of all radioactive substances except tritium

3 ( +3 / -0 )

Japanese politicians have been exposed for lying in the past with these stunts.

Unless they are having a seafood meal after the water has been released at one of the coastal towns in Fukushima then it is utter nonsense. We do not accept eating frozen seafood caught weeks or months ago or somewhere else far away from Fukushima. The public knows how the Japanese government likes to play with food labels.

Japan deserves the current protests.

-7 ( +1 / -8 )

He and Nishimura take us for fools. Go there every month and eat sashimi at the port from the fresh catch of the day. Have the TV crew follow the catch all the way to their mouths. Do it for all subsequent administrations as well, because from what I hear, it will take 30 years, so make it a part of their routine, then maybe I'll believe these clowns. Oh, BTW Kishida, I ate sashimi last night as well, and it doesn't prove a dang thing.

I second the idea!

-5 ( +1 / -6 )

Some wonderful delicacies from there. I follow the science and eat everything from those prefectures and waters.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

He also ate octopus too, judging by his plate.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

@JJEToday 07:37 am JST

The fact is the environmental impact and potential long term health implications are far from known. There has been a concerted campaign to falsely obscure the truth in the local and western media.

In other words, as far as you know, there are no significant environmental impacts or long term health implications, and all you are really doing is asking for proof of a negative.

@quercetumToday 08:46 am JST

These two types of water, contaminated and cooling water are inherently different however, as they come from different sources, contain different radionuclides and require different levels of sophistication in terms of the treatment methods involved.

And Japan does seem to be working harder to clean the water. The only difference that matters is how much is left in the water at the point of release. The available information says that Japan is not releasing more. At some point you have to let go.

One reason we have international organizations like IAEA is to balance between competing demands and viewpoints. Japan satisfied the IAEA, thus it satisfied what passed for procedural justice in this case. You will need to show some manifest error (not jump at shadows) before you can even begin to challenge that.

As an alternative, if you are willing to pay out of your pocket the difference between the cost of what they are doing now (and there's nothing wrong with choosing the cheapest method that meets the standard - that's why we have standards, so entities can focus their priorities on other things once they are met) and the cost of whatever method you prefer (and assuming your method has no disadvantages), the alternative can be considered.

@antifunToday 09:15 am JST

But so many people demanded this "pointless gesturing" before it was actually done.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

First, where's the proof it's from where they say it's from? Second, eating fish caught around (probably before) the initial release, one time, means zero. Have them eat it each day for at least one meal, for several years, and ensure that they eat the offspring of any fish currently in the ocean in the affected areas. Then I'll be convinced.

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

I don't know if the water is safe or not, but if it is, why dump it in the sea? There can't be that much water that it cannot be used elsewhere on land near the reactor? If it can be stored on land now, then it can be used on land now as well. If it is safe for fish then doesn't it mean it should be safe for crops and other wildlife? Dumping it in the ocean is dumping it in essentially a shared space - of course others who share that space may be worried.

This doesn't make sense to me unless, of course, the water would only be safe if it is diluted further with other sea water. Then, well is it really safe then?

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Every country drains some kind of wastewater, right? Domestic wastewater, industrial water, cooling water for nuclear power plants. And China and South Korea are draining tritiated water with much higher concentration than Japan.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

Wonder if this will be convincing to the people. They need to sell a lot of seafood originally intended for export to China

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

China is releasing more toxic stuff into the ocean every day than Fukushima ever could. This is all so out of perspective.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Does that mean Fukushima fish is safe?

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

Yes. Food products from China and Korea have lower safety standards and are full of holes than those from Japan. Since the accident, Japan has further tightened its standards.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

As a child, each morning I would eat "Ready Brek" and then walk to school with a glow around me...

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

@Roy

If it’s possible to take out ‘most’ radionuclides then why not NaCl?

That’s been done for many years even thousands of years

I can even do it in my kitchen too!

Why dump it in the ocean?

Don’t bother trying to explain as it’s rather obvious as to why…

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@kenshin_u

> Yes. Food products from China and Korea have lower safety standards and are full of holes than those from Japan. Since the accident, Japan has further tightened its standards.

. . .

Actually since 2011 Japan has loosened its standards which were very strict as to allow more radioactivity to be legally permissible in foodstuffs.

It seems that your explanation is wrong then…

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I think that's the same person who posted a url with a 2012 report to support his opinion that the recent wastewater release is safe

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If it’s possible to take out ‘most’ radionuclides then why not NaCl?

Didn't read in detail but if I remember correctly, after initial processing to take out cesium and strontium the water is passed thru a desalinator. The desalinated part is then used again as coolant and the part with salt is processed thru alps

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I think that's the same person who posted a url with a 2012 report to support his opinion that the recent wastewater release is safe

To you the 2020 report looks like 2012?

"東京電力「福島第一原子力発電所 多核種除去設備等処理水の二次処理性能確認試験結果(終報)」(令和2年12月24日)p.2"

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ian

Does that mean Fukushima fish is safe?

If it is unsafe, it is not because of the extremely diluted filtered water from the power plant with its minuscule tritium content!

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The people will ultimately decide, NOT Mr. Kishida or any cabinet member.

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kenshin_u

Aug. 31 09:54 pm JST

I think that's the same person who posted a url with a 2012 report to support his opinion that the recent wastewater release is safe

> To you the 2020 report looks like 2012?

> "東京電力「福島第一原子力発電所 多核種除去設備等処理水の二次処理性能確認試験結果(終報)」(令和2年12月24日)p.2"

Hahahaha so I guess that's ok then

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Zaphod

Aug. 31 10:19 pm JST

ian

> Does that mean Fukushima fish is safe?

> If it is unsafe, it is not because of the extremely diluted filtered water from the power plant with its minuscule tritium content!

Yup if it's unsafe it wouldn't be just the tritium

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Actually if there is any recommended safe concentration level for any substance you can pretty much throw anything "safely" to the sea.

Just mix it with however much sea water is needed to dilute it to desired levels and there you go.

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But this is a good move by kishida. China says the release is dangerous so he eats fish to prove otherwise

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That's the reason why discharge limits exist.

That's hilarious.

Would they stop dumping after that supposed limit?

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@Roy

Of course a cleaning and desalination facility could be set up, along with the logistics to transport the water somewhere else. But ... why? The process is complicated enough, why needlessly complicate it further? Just to make a point that is then immediately dismissed and replaced by the next silly question?

Then the water could be used for cleaning the streets and wouldn’t have to be dumped into the ocean pissing off millions of people and billions of fish-makes sense now?

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Then the water could be used for cleaning the streets and wouldn’t have to be dumped into the ocean

I suppose technically it could but think of all the outrage that would cause. And ultimately it would end up in rivers and the sea anyway.

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@quercetum @roy

it’s obvious you are both either in the industry or somehow directing connected to this situation.

Thank you both for being voices of reason…. Even if others immediately assume you are part of some cover-up. Wish folks spent half the time objectively looking at the situation as they spend feeding the need for a world-wide conspiracy.

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Kurisupisu

Then the water could be used for cleaning the streets and wouldn’t have to be dumped into the ocean pissing off millions of people and billions of fish-makes sense now?

Where do you think that water used for cleaning the streets ends up? And of course the crowd complaining now would complain then too.

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Ian

Yup if it's unsafe it wouldn't be just the tritium

As I understand, the discussion now is ONLY about tritium. Do you have a reference that says otherwise?

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I would not eat fish that has hung around or swam across the release area and thus become contaminated. Some fish move around a lot. The problem is that you cannot tell where the fish has been, can you? I guess it's the luck of the draw, but I would prefer not to have to play Russian roulette each time I have fish. Are we expected to meekly play Russian roulette every time we have fish from Japanese waters? And with a bright smile at that? Hah...

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Would our Dear Leaders kindly submit to consuming seafood that has splashed around for a while in the contaminated water release area? That might be more convincing, esp. if their smiles were as bright. And could we perhaps make this a daily (televised) event? Pretty please?

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He's a leader by example, unlike most others who are out of touch with working class people.

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Kishida and the three ministers had sashimi of flounder, octopus and sea bass, caught off the Fukushima coast after the water release

Where is the proof? Who exactly made this claim? Someone who just made a guess based on a label? Cause they surely did not pick this up at the supermarket.

The fish could literally be from Antarctica. The only reason that fish is labelled "Fukushima" is because that is where the fishing boat off-loaded their catch. I am serious.

The situation with fish was already horrific before the tritium water dump and the nuclear meltdown. Go look at the salmon. See how whitish pink it is? That's fish farm junk. Its got no Omega 3. It was probably fed a cannibal diet of the left over parts of other salmon. Now look at the Chilean or Russian salmon. Its red. That's cause its wild and their fishermen actually still do their jobs and go out and find the fish.

I don't if Fukushima has fish farms. I avoid the farmed fish anyway, but farmed Fukushima fish? Absolutely NOT on my plate.

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Poser ... Doesn't have much choice, does he? (How do we KNOW that fish is from Fukushima, or when it was caught??)

What is quintessentially a Japanese problem has now been 'shared' with the rest of the globe. Let us all applaud the tragedy, and Japanese magnanimity. (we have been left no choice, either, have we?)

(I suppose we'll all get to like frankenfish sooner or later ...)

Should I give a stuff? I'll be dead by the time the release of poisoned water is completed.

Maybe the Japanese are right: "F*ck everyone else! we don't give a monkey's toss!"

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They don't care about the people, they care about their own pockets is all.

Where was the fish really from.

Want so show us safety, bathe, drink and eat only from that water for 10 years.

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