Kishida heads to NATO summit to warn of East Asia risks

Good move! already a world political conflict has started, if everyone mind their own buisness is better! China, North Kores are not friendly with South Korea, Japan and Taiwan and is getting worst! so....to late for Political solutions talking

China is a growing risk year-on-year.

voiceofokinawaToday 08:21 am JST

xavier,

They're not here as "conquerors," but at the request of the duly-elected Japanese government. If the Japanese people don't want them they can vote for another party that will send them back to the US (e.g. the Japan Communist Party.)

USFJ are here at the request of the Japanese government? And they will be here as long as there exists threat from China, North Korea and Russia?　That means USFJ will be stationed in Japan until these countries are all annihilated.　Your reasoning is all postscript-ed and back matter-ed. 

In other words, in your opinion, USFJ are to be stationed here forever for its own sake and as WW II conquerors.

Nice to see you aren't arguing the point that they can be asked to leave ant any time.

Kishida really wants to feel important, but sadly, Japan is getting less and less important in the world stage with every passing year.

I've heard people bleating this for 25 years now.

I wonder if it will ever actually come true...

What ol' Jack Burton always saysToday 07:55 am JST

Extremely concerned the U.S will resort to escalating conflicts to justify warmongering in an attempt to regain it's so called world power agenda.

The US didn't start the war in Ukraine and won't start the war over Taiwan.

Depopulation and debt has served to nullify Japan's influence on the world stage; the same will happen to China, given another couple of decades. In spite of all the social issues immigration brings, pluralism and transparency will see the West on top in 2050s. The US will still be growing.

That's great and all, but the surest way to make the CCP rethink their capabilities is by putting down their dog, Russia.

The more influence NATO exerts, the more waning the U.S. power or hegemony seems to be at the world stage. 

How would then Washington explain the reason why the U.S. must maintain bases in Japan, in Okinawa in particular, coercing Tokyo to forge ahead with the construction of Futenma's replacement in Henoko, Nago City, Okinawa?

xavier: today | 12:56 pm JST,

NATO isn't replacing the US in the US/Japan alliance.

NATO isn't replacing the Japan-U.S. military alliance entirely, of course. But you may agree that the U.S. is asking NATO countries to come to its help in this Pacific region to confront a rising China and a nuclear-capable N. Korea, thus eliminating the meaning struck out in Article 6 of the Japan-U.S. Security Treaty.

My question remains effective despite your rejoinder:

What is the reason for USFJ to keep stationed here forever? Aren't they stationed here as World War II conquerors and not as the protectors of Japan and the afore-mentioned countries?

voiceofokinawaToday 11:36 am JST

xavier,

If the Japanese people don't want them they can vote for another party that will send them back to the US (e.g. the Japan Communist Party.)

In that case, do you think the U.S. will withdraw its troops from Japan submissively? Former U.S. Ambassador to Japan Erwin Reischauer intimidated Japan's former Foreign Affairs Minister Masayoshi Ohira at a monthly magazine-sponsored conference by saying that if Japan tried to be alienated from the U. S., it will invade and occupy Japan once again. 

Rumor is good and all but the text of the treaty is quite clear:

after the Treaty has been in force for ten years, either Party may give notice to the other Party of its intention to terminate the Treaty, in which case the Treaty shall terminate one year after such notice has been given.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Mutual_Cooperation_and_Security_between_Japan_and_the_United_States_of_America

The US didn't start the war in Ukraine and won't start the war over Taiwan.

Taiwan, seriously, you need a big history lesson of how the world changed after second world war and things good old US did in order to achieve it's world hegemony, the same hegemony it is losing it slowly..

s/not slowly enough/too slow

U.S. forces are stationed in Japan presumably for the security of Japan, for starters, and, secondarily, for "the maintenance of international peace and security in the Far East". (That is, for the security of Taiwan and S Korea). For these reasons, Japan provides the U.S. with large swaths of land for bases free of charge (the total area: 262,935,000㎡), in accordance with Article 6 of the Japan-U.S. Security Treaty.

My question here is: If NATO is replacing the U.S. regarding what Article 6 of the Japan-U.S. Security Treaty states, that is, to maintain peace and security of Japan, Taiwan and South Korea, what is the reason for USFJ to keep stationed here forever? Are they stationed here as World War II conquerors?

If Kishida had a spine he would be meeting with Xi and trying to be a regional mediator. For all the issues I had with Abe Shinzo, he was trying to set up dialog but the pandemic derailed that attempt.

Kishida heads to NATO summit to warn of East Asia risks

There is zero reason why this 'advice' could not be placed in writing.

Keep crying for help,cries and cries. Those Europeans can't help, they were in a big trouble now!

What ol' Jack Burton always saysToday 02:53 pm JST

Time to expand NATO, and change its name of necessary. Bring South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Australia and New Zealand fully into the fold and name sure China and Russia are surrounded by those that desire peace. Taiwan must never be allowed to fall the PRC. Never.

Bad idea and unrealistic.

The USA isn't interested in peace - they want to rule the world.

China isn't any better tho.

Fighting and controlling isn't the solution.

But apparently you think surrender is. When has that ever stopped the belligerent?

Did i actually say the U.S started the Ukraine war or the U.S will start the war over Taiwan ?

No i most certainly did not !

The USA has always used conflicts or intervened in conflicts to gain control or attempt to manipulate.

Extremely concerned the U.S will resort to escalating conflicts to justify warmongering in an attempt to regain it's so called world power agenda.

Basic logic would dictate that the US isn't the warmonger if it isn't starting the war over Taiwan. You should be concerned that China will start a war in a futile attempt to break the first island chain.

xavier,

If the Japanese people don't want them they can vote for another party that will send them back to the US (e.g. the Japan Communist Party.)

In that case, do you think the U.S. will withdraw its troops from Japan submissively? Former U.S. Ambassador to Japan Erwin Reischauer intimidated Japan's former Foreign Affairs Minister Masayoshi Ohira at a monthly magazine-sponsored conference by saying that if Japan tried to be alienated from the U. S., it will invade and occupy Japan once again.  

@dbsaiya having dialog with Xi would be making a pact with the devil. China is broke they will implode the CCP is desperate to many internal problems

Kishida needs to tamp it down. If he really wants peace, start a dialog with Xi.

Depopulation and debt has served to nullify Japan's influence on the world stage;

Japan is the world's largest creditor nation. Lol

xavier,

They're not here as "conquerors," but at the request of the duly-elected Japanese government. If the Japanese people don't want them they can vote for another party that will send them back to the US (e.g. the Japan Communist Party.)

USFJ are here at the request of the Japanese government? And they will be here as long as there exists threat from China, North Korea and Russia?　That means USFJ will be stationed in Japan until these countries are all annihilated.　Your reasoning is all postscript-ed and back matter-ed. 

In other words, in your opinion, USFJ are to be stationed here forever for its own sake and as WW II conquerors.

No matter how much help you assume to get from NATO when china starts firing rockets into Tokyo imagine what it would be like if you think Ukraine building damage is bad. All the data centers getting hit and all the office building in Roppongi and shinjuku just crushing. I definitely not looking forward to that. You can have all the SAMS but their radar systems can easily be jammed to strike one payload your looking for and I see russia using that tactic. Like i have said people should be afraid of war if you want to live.

TokyoLivingToday 11:49 am JST

The US didn't start the war in Ukraine and won't start the war over Taiwan.

Taiwan, seriously, you need a big history lesson of how the world changed after second world war and things good old US did in order to achieve it's world hegemony, the same hegemony it is losing it slowly..

Apparently not slowly enough for the dictator cabal.

Macron doesn't want to develop relations with Japan. Japan is on its own as far as France is concerned.

https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-block-nato-outpost-japan-china-complaints/

Macron blocks NATO outpost in Japan amid Chinese complaints

Divisions open up over NATO’s Asian outreach ahead of leaders’ summit in Vilnius.

France is holding up a deal to expand NATO’s reach into Asia, opening a split in the Western security alliance on the eve of a vital summit next week.

Kishida will join NATO leaders to remind.......

What sorry individual would take any advice from that fool?

Does he think, THEY don't watch the world and knows what's going on.

Screw the French. They only ever do is right for them and have done over the course of History.

Time to expand NATO, and change its name of necessary. Bring South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Australia and New Zealand fully into the fold and name sure China and Russia are surrounded by those that desire peace. Taiwan must never be allowed to fall the PRC. Never.

The longer Xi stays in power and the more corrupt he becomes the more chance for internal revolution, much like Putin in Russia.

voiceofokinawaToday 07:16 am JST

The more influence NATO exerts, the more waning the U.S. power or hegemony seems to be at the world stage. 

Wasn't going to be 1960 forever. We just need to make sure we can meet the apex of China power which will come quite soon before it ages out.

How would then Washington explain the reason why the U.S. must maintain bases in Japan, in Okinawa in particular, coercing Tokyo to forge ahead with the construction of Futenma's replacement in Henoko, Nago City, Okinawa?

Because ain't no other power in a position to help Japan.

Kishida needs to tamp it down. If he really wants peace, start a dialog with Xi.

Japan is not that influential on the global stage

Kishida jetting off (2 planes) here and there is a monumental waste and as environmentally unfriendly as can be!

Russia not interested in Japan only China is so NATO going to fight Chinese at some point which has nothing to do with Europe

I've heard people bleating this for 25 years now.

I wonder if it will ever actually come true

…

It has already come true

What is it that you haven’t noticed?

Dang, no cushy NATO jobs in Tokyo, at least for now. The LDP will find some sneaky way to get something done in the shadows.