Kishida to visit India to build Indo-Pacific partnership

oon sounds like a pro-war nut job.

Could be, but just a few days ago some posters were claiming Yoon was an alpha male, and that made him OK.

Are you going to talk about Putin and the invasion which you incidentally condemned?

The west needs to keep their distance from India unless and until there is a major change of government there

I agree with your sentiments, but it does not mean the west, especially Japan, should pursue an isolation strategy. A weak democracy is more likely to fold into other spheres.

IMO, there's a lot of synergy in terms of supply chain diversification, and even possibly joint maritime domain shared interest (hint, don't let China dominate the Indian ocean).

There are rumors that India wants out of this stupid party

If that is true, the rumor most likely was started and parroted by a 50 cent army keyboarder that got it from their CCP master.

Australia is committed to defend South Korea through the United Nations Command.

No such thing. Where did you get that from? The U.N commands nothing. I dont know how much more proof the world needs to realise that when it comes to security matters, the U.N is a complete waste of space.

Quad is a joke in it's current form. There is no NATO style collective defense treaty against China, and while US commitment to Australia and Japan is firm, the US has always played a double game when it comes to India.

Those asking India to give up it's ties with Russia should ask first whether their countries are ready to cut economic ties with China. US has not even supported India against Pakistan in the past, leave aside China.

Kishida to visit India

Good news. But since India rejects the misguided American/European economic war against Russia, he will be under pressure to stop the efforts.

Australia is committed to defend South Korea through the United Nations Command

Australia is not a vassal state of the UN and decides for itself where, when and whom it fights along side.

It does fight alongside close allies like the UK and US and NZ. It is likely it would support the US having already done so in Korea's defense once before. But it does not take orders or Instruction from the UN. A second war on the Korean peninsula does not automatically involve Australia, even with US forced pledged to defend them. Australia has no such alliance with South Korea.

Contrary to popular assumptions, Australia does have it's own foreign policy which is why Australia pulled out of Iraq many years before the US did. Much to the US's annoyance.

PM Kishida - please bring up India's failure to condemn Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine, and brutality against them. Otherwise what is the point of forging closer ties with a fascist Russia enabler?

India needs to be told loud and clear that they cannot have it both ways.

Why? When China attacked India in 2020. Europe and America did nothing. They were too busy making money in China. Even now, Germany is buying Oil and Gas from Russia and JP Mogan helped Russia avoid default. India does not have a dog in this fight. Japan should also stay out of it. It is Europe's problem. Let them solve it. If Japan has to fight China over Senkaku and Taiwan, I don't Europe or America is going to help.

When China attacked India in 2020. Europe and America did nothing.

What should they have done? India handled the situation.

India has it's issues. But India is simply too important in terms of sheer size, population, military weight and geographical position on the Indian Ocean to be dropped from QUAD. The idea of replacing a power like India with South Korea, whose allegiance to the West is questionable, for reasons that are understandable, is laughable.

Politics are no more a manipulation game.

True, but when politics fail, war starts.

South Korea does not need QUAD!

Please look at a map of the world. Very nearly all of China's resources cross the Indian Ocean, the Straits of Malacca and the South China Sea. If the ships carrying those goods can't cross the Indian Ocean without being sunk, China's ability to wage war is greatly reduced. Now what nation that happens to be an enemy of China just happens to sit right across those sea lanes in the Indian Ocean? Were China to attack Taiwan or Japan it would be very helpful if the Indian Navy and Air Force stopped China's merchant traffic across the Indian Ocean. It would cripple China fairly quickly. The one drawback is that India's government becomes increasingly authoritarian, racist and odious by the day.

LOL if by handling the situation you mean losing access to 900 sq kms of strategic territory (Depsang Plains) claimed and patrolled by both sides then sure.

The US in fact offered to mediate the dispute but both India and China refused the US offer. Considering who was President and who was Secretary of State at the time their refusal was not unexpected. I think the US offer came off looking more like an opportunity for the US to collect intel on both sides than provide an honest broker.

India and China engaged in extensive negotiations that resulted in an agreement to disengage along the Line of Actual Control or LAC. There is only one instance of Chinese forces not disengaging and returning to old positions and the land lost was a few kilometers, not hundreds of square kilometers as you allege. Negotiations are ongoing. It is India and China's problem to solve but just out of curiosity what do you propose the US should have done? Keep in mind both nations are nuclear powers in their own right, both have large modern military forces and roughly equal populations. It is not as if China was pushing around a smaller weaker nation that doesn't have a chance.

India, Saudi Arabia, China,....all refuse to condemn Putin's war against Ukraine, and civilization. Be careful about making any deals with India, they will do what is in their short term interest.

Unlike the case of Japan or Australia, US will not come to India's defense in case of a border war with China. This factor alone makes India a sitting duck as compared to say Taiwan or Japan in case of an attack by China.

India has more than twice the land army the US has. Their active duty strength of 1.24 million is greater than the US Army (481,000), Army Reserve (275,000) and National Guard (337,000) combined (1,093,000). At 960,000 the Indian Army Reserve is nearly as large as the entire Active and Reserve US Army plus the National Guard. India has a large modern air force and navy, a population equal to that of China and nearly as large a land mass. Calling India a sitting duck is not well informed. The US might be able to sell them better equipment but the US can't fix the mess that is Indian politics and society nor can it remedy all the border conflicts that trace their roots to British colonial rule.

"India has more than twice the land army the US has."

Numbers dont tell the entire story.

Much of India's army is engaged in fighting insurgencies in North East areas and Kashmir. There is no substantial defense industrial base, so India is dependent on imports for basic equipment like machine guns and ammunition. According to a 2015 study, India will not be in a position to sustain a protracted war for more than 10 days as it will run out of ammunition.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/can-india-survive-a-10-day-war-not-likely-but-its-getting-enough-ammo-now/articleshow/59576163.cms

US has a trillion dollar defense budget and the US Navy is the second largest airforce in the world after USAF. The only country that can militarily tackle China is the US.

So my question still is - If China and India are at war, will the US get itself militarily involved? The answer is No. So my follow up question is - Why should India cut off its substantial ties with Russia as the US wants, or as many ill informed posters here suggest?

So my question still is - If China and India are at war, will the US get itself militarily involved? The answer is No. So my follow up question is - Why should India cut off its substantial ties with Russia as the US wants, or as many ill informed posters here suggest?

Just me but if it was my call the US would have nothing to do with India. Their government is almost as bad as China's. They are rapidly becoming a Hindu theocracy with calls by some to kill all Muslims and attacks on Christian worship too.

Australia is not a vassal state of the UN and decides for itself where, when and whom it fights along side.

I think the OP was referring to the UN Security Council Resolution (at a meeting boycotted by Russia to their chagrin) that authorized the creation of a UN military command to organize international military forces and command their combat activities to defend South Korea. All through that war there was reference to the UN Command that led the forces of the many nations involved. Btw, a similar UN Command led by a French General was established to organize military forces and their activities in the Balkans including the air campaign against the Serbs. That force was not exclusively NATO either as I recall being surprised to see Swiss Air Force helicopters involved. The US and other nations still have forces in the Balkans operating under UN auspices.

"There is only one instance of Chinese forces not disengaging and returning to old positions and the land lost was a few kilometers, not hundreds of square kilometers as you allege."

Read the below to get an idea of what India lost without a fight -

https://thewire.in/diplomacy/depsang-ladakh-india-china-rajnath-singh-parliament

https://thewire.in/security/india-china-ladakh-pla-lac-border-areas

"It is India and China's problem to solve but just out of curiosity what do you propose the US should have done?"

Unlike the case of Japan or Australia, US will not come to India's defense in case of a border war with China. This factor alone makes India a sitting duck as compared to say Taiwan or Japan in case of an attack by China. There is no reason why India should give up its substantial military ties with Russia as many ill informed posters here want.

"Keep in mind both nations are nuclear powers in their own right"

China does not need to fight a nuclear war or even a conventional one with India. It can just keep on taking disputed territory claimed by both sides inch by inch.

India is rapidly becoming a Hindu nationalist hell-hole where the government supports, even cheers, assaults on Muslim and Christian worship. Mr. Modi and the BJP are almost as authoritarian as the CCP and borderline genocidal. The west needs to keep their distance from India unless and until there is a major change of government there. Recent state elections suggest this will not be the case. It might be time to replace India with South Korea in the Quad.

If India votes against Russia. then Russia china and Pakistan became a team and attack India. It is commonsense. And everybody now finds out there will be 100 supporters before the war starts to say "We will support you". but once the war started that is not the case.

If India votes against Russia. then Russia china and Pakistan became a team and attack India. It is commonsense. And everybody now finds out there will be 100 supporters before the war starts to say "We will support you". but once the war started that is not the case.

Yes 100% true as long as Biden is the president of USA no country in the world can trust America .... India knows it very well. And Now Taiwan realized .. South Korean new president said that they will arm themselves to protect them from NK...... They knew that depending on Biden words is a Joke...

Japan has realized and can not say anything... so Japan is going o get support from India .. looking for a long term partnership, a country whom they can trust.....

Go Kishida.... save your nation...

India needs to get off the fence. Depending on Russia to help offset China is pie in the sky as Russia cant deal with one non NATO nation on it's border without crying out for help from Syria and China and others.

Russia invaded its neighbor, something China may do to India to rearrange borders more to its liking. Is India for or against invasions to alter borders? If it is for it then it can not cry out during the next attempt by china to seize Indian territory, if it is against that then it needs to speak up and vocalize their position.

Japans PM is going to try and help old Modi work it out.

"What should they have done? India handled the situation."

LOL if by handling the situation you mean losing access to 900 sq kms of strategic territory (Depsang Plains) claimed and patrolled by both sides then sure.

If the Indian government was not run by a pathetic idiot who is all talk and no action, this was reason enough to go to war even if the opponent is a superpower. But probably Modi calculated that US or any other country will not come to India's aid in that case, and since his image is most important to that fool, his government covered up the loss with his usual propaganda machine.

For this demonstrated lack of guts alone, India needs to be kicked out of Quad but probably US and Japan dont want to offend the Indian government and lose access to a huge market.

India needs to be told loud and clear that they cannot have it both ways.

Well at this point India can have it both ways, as both sides want India on there side...as for Russia, they have been very trusted partners since the 60's..India will never change that equation.

As for the invasion of Ukraine, why do you think this is happening...

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/02/17/war-in-europe-the-rise-of-raw-propaganda/

EvilBuddhaMar. 18  04:02 pm JST

"What should they have done? India handled the situation."

Just being an evil, no sign of Buddha here...Shame

Just me but if it was my call the US would have nothing to do with India. Their government is almost as bad as China's. They are rapidly becoming a Hindu theocracy with calls by some to kill all Muslims and attacks on Christian worship too.

Hear hear!

Desert Tortoise

I make jokes about Yoon being based, but I don't think South Korea should join QUAD if Yoon is their leader. Yoon sounds like a pro-war nut job.

Politics are no more a manipulation game.

PM Kishida - please bring up India's failure to condemn Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine, and brutality against them. Otherwise what is the point of forging closer ties with a fascist Russia enabler?

India needs to be told loud and clear that they cannot have it both ways.

There are rumors that India wants out of this stupid party called Quad.

Kishida to visit India to build Indo-Pacific partnership?

He will meet with Modi, to strengthen their partnership in view of China’s growing footprint in the region.

Is that the sole reason for his visit to India?

How myopic and naïve, trying to rejuvenate the dying QUAD..?

China won't invade India. Can you imagine nearly 3 billion people are at war?

OssanAmerica

QUAD is a nothing burger and a gigantic waste of time. Japan likes being in QUAD because it helps their right-wing nut jobs chest-thump and pretend they're big boys. QUAD can't even form a consistent message about Russia.

South Korea was right about QUAD. It can't contain China or Russia.

South Korea does not need QUAD! The United States is committed to defend South Korea by a Security Treaty. Australia is committed to defend South Korea through the United Nations Command. India is not needed for the defense of South Korea. Japan is not needed for the defense of South Korea. The major U.S. Military Bases in Japan that would be needed for the defense of South Korea are designated as U.N. Bases by an agreement with Japan and no permission from the Japanese Govt. is needed to use those bases for the defense of South Korea. South Korea does not need the QUAD!!!

India is rapidly becoming a Hindu nationalist hell-hole where the government supports, even cheers, assaults on Muslim and Christian worship. Mr. Modi and the BJP are almost as authoritarian as the CCP and borderline genocidal. The west needs to keep their distance from India unless and until there is a major change of government there. 

Very well said!!

Narendra Modi upon meeting the Prime Minister of Japan says: "Who are you again?"

Mr. Kishida, after your boring paper signs, don't forget to take the Indian rickshaw, Indian tempo, and hop on the rail rooftop for better view and more importantly, Don't forget to eat with your hands and buy sari to your wife.

After this with proof of clips, any Indians will support u and Japan-India relation will be more better than ever.