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It makes sense in dealing with self-serving and assertive communist China, and sooner is better for the survival of Japan. As a workshop to the world, China is longing to boss the world similar to the peasants revolutionary march with chairman Mao to gain power; except next time is global one. China must be checked and learn how to live in peace with its neighbors and the world community without exploiting them for own's interest.

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Yes, this is a legitimate Japanese. Gambare Ishihara-san !

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Not only should the JSDF build a base there, the USMC from Futenma should be placed there as well which is easy since so many JSDF bases are shared now. I say the United States should be right in their faces.

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If China were to set foot on the Senkaku islands Japan would find it very hard to get them off, even if it were prepared to go to war over the issue (which I doubt). In China's current state of mind, an uninhabited island is just begging to be occupied - and" to hell with global opinion if you still want our cheap labour and growing markets."

A military base would be far too provocative, but a fishing port with some land-based amenities could be justified with some Chinese style double-speak, like "We need this as a refuge to protect fishermen in storms." A taste of China's own medicine.

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That's a very provocative statement. Now Beijing would have no excuse but to deploy their PLA navy around the Diaoyu Islands and build their base on it quickly. You Japanese folks should learn to acknowledge and respect a rising China with its growing size and might. A small island nation of Japan can no longer challenge China. Japan should focus only on rebuilding itself and not give in to new fights with its neighbors readily.

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Build it with US help.

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@CHuan. Your statement in its self is very provocative, who do the Chinese think they are? Dont you think all nations should respect each other??? You must be Chinese to have that attitude!! Why should China be anymore respected just because as you say >a rising China with its growing size and might

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You Japanese folks should learn to acknowledge and respect a rising China with its growing size and might.

Everybody wants to be a comedian, huh?

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Ishihara wants to give China a reason to build aircraft carriers and expand its navy by telling them that Japan is still an aggressor. This is a politician who still denies the Nanjing massacre.

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I'm setting here reading this thinking "sounds like something Shintaro would say" and boom... It's his son. Just what we need as a "future PM"...

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This guy is as dangerous as his father (yes that Ishihara) who wants to lock up non Japanese in Tokyo after a serious disaster. Like father, like son, nationalist and populist right wing nutcases. Why does Japan love it's niseigiin so much?

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Not only should the JSDF build a base there, the USMC from Futenma should be placed there as well which is easy since so many JSDF bases are shared now. I say the United States should be right in their faces.

Well that would keep the Fumema locals happy with the marines out of the area but you really want two bases on a 4km2 rock? That would be funny.

The US wants to build bases in China's face with Chinese financing? Ossan you are too funny. Japan will run second to China in the region no matter what the US does, it's inevitable, so better for Japan to build bridges not barricades.

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Chuan. Why does China deserve respect from Japan or anyone else? Has China resolved her many human rights violations? No. Has China strongly contributed to the well being of the world in any kind of selfless manner? No. Has China shown respect for her own ethnic minorities? No.

So what exactly are you expecting people around the world to respect? China's military power? Sorry but both Japan and the US exceed that power today. China's economic power? While admirable, it is built upon an unsustainable bubble and any respect would also need to consider growing discontentment amongst those not included in the growing wealth. China's own working masses and their Maoist heritage my bite the pseudo-capitalists running China today. And not long from now.

So we are back to why Japan, or anyone else, should show defference to China. I think China and her bully policies in Asia should be scolded as the tempermental child it behaves as. Asia should unite to counter Chinese aggression and bullying. And put China in her place. Beginning by attaching any future economic development from abroad to changes in her policies.

The phrase of the decade "Contain China" and do it now!

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One more note. I am not a fan of the LDP or of this Ishihara character. They too are not dealing in reality. Japan should maintain close ties with the US and grow new strategic ties with the rest of Asia to form a coalition to keep China in check and to avoid a new cold war.

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If Japan's goal is to improve relations with China, then their goverment has to make drastic changes for better diplomacy. Japan has total dependence on China for economics with over 20,000 Japanese companies that operates inside their country. What happens if China and Japan gets into extreme conflict over Senkaku and other disputes and China gets pissed off at Japan and freezes all the bank assets of Japanese companies that are operating inside China? China can stop any wire transaction or export to Japan and there will be a mass chaos in Tokyo.

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Taiwan should quietly exercise her claim to the islets while all else are squabbling.

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Let's put out that fire with gasoline...

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To sfjp330

They simply can not do that because China today and very dependent on international system. Japan can live very well without China, China not can live without the technology of japanese companies .

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issa1Dec. 13, 2011 - 09:41AM JST. They simply can not do that because China today and very dependent on international system.

Don't bet on it. China has already done with rare earth metals supplies to Japan. Don't you remember?

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japan is provoking China, if people didnt interfere you, please dont interfere others.

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Its just a think-tank. Relax. No one is doing anything.

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Aggression meets with aggression, clearly. If Japan were to even SERIOUSLY consider this China would just launch their ships and occupy the islands officially, and that would be the end of it for Japan. Ishihara doesn't seem to realize that what he's suggesting would in all probability hand the islands over to China permanently, not to mention how much it would further aggravate tensions.

I'm not defending China in any of this, I'm just saying that given their 'assertiveness', as Ishihara admits, they'll have no qualms about taking the islands and guarding them with a strong force Japan could not even begin to try and get around (and the US would not help provoke war, only verbally side with Japan). BAD move, Japan.

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Build it with Chinese help for ultimate lulz effect.

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Issa: "They simply can not do that because China today and very dependent on international system."

Not at all. In fact, Japan would depend on the US to back them up (despite many wanting the US forces out of Japan, mind you!), but because the US and so many nations now rely on China and its economic power, no one would protect Japan when China played their little bluff.

"Japan can live very well without China, China not can live without the technology of japanese companies ."

Once again you've got it wrong. While Japan is not at all COMPLETELY dependent on Japan, you can't eat finished technological gadgets; Japan is only 40% self-sufficient in terms of food, and with so many against joining the TPP and with people questioning food safety thanks to Fukushima, that's only going to get worse and Japan MORE reliant on imports of food and raw materials from other nations. True, they can try and turn to other SE Asian nations for what they cannot get from China, but they still need China as much as, if not more than, China needs Japan (and China does a fine enough job with tech, even if it often copies Japanese tech).

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Smith,

You do realize that U.S.-Japan Security Agreement emcompases Senkaku, right?

There is more risk to China by testing if U.S. will act on it's agreement.

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While most of the posters here adhere for "better diplomacy", please do remember that China has historically bullied many Asian nations out of their own "disputed islands". Chinese fishermen, military boats, then finally concrete structures have been reported and even documented on many occasions. Is Japan just going to let the Chinese get these islands without a fight (figuratively of course)?

And all of these because of "possible oil and or natural gas fields" near or even under the disputed islands. What can these do to a country's economy? For Japan, this might just be the solution for an ailing economy. For China, more reason to lay claim to other islands.

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sfjp330@Japan has total dependence on China for economics with over 20,000 Japanese companies that operates inside their country. What happens if China and Japan gets into extreme conflict over Senkaku and other disputes and China gets pissed off at Japan and freezes all the bank assets of Japanese companies that are operating inside China? China can stop any wire transaction or export to Japan and there will be a mass chaos in Tokyo.

These 20000 companies employ millions of poor chinese people. If China does loot the Japanese companies all the foreign companies will stop the factories in China. No more products will be sold made in China..in any part of the world. The ultimate looser will be China and China will be burned by own Chinese poor people.....AND MORE>>>. You must live in this 21st century were everyone has freedom to read anything on the internet. Not like China the spoon fed knowledge of the world. Pity on you....

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Nobuteru Ishihara - should join self defense forces buy a tent, 6 waterproof matches, and 1 year supply of UFO's Ramein Noodles and etc.

Since he wants a base he should stand guard and protect it

rich kid with no common sense just like his daddy

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Diplomacy first, but China needs to be put in check. That is an inescapable fact for every other nation in Asia. And by default of treaties, a problem for the US.

Better to put the wall up now before it is too late.

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@ gaijintraveller. Indeed, Ishihara's remarks are irresponsible and does nothing but worsens Japan's diplomatic position in the region. @tkoind2. Too bad Japan won't be able to contain China as you have desired. Japan has too many domestic issues to work out. Accept reality and stop picking a fight with China. Such confrontation is detrimental to Japan's future. @Gurukun. The only comedians will be Japan's ultra-nationalists and others who want to challenge China.

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Diplomacy first, but China needs to be put in check. That is an inescapable fact for every other nation in Asia. And by default of treaties, a problem for the US.

Better to put the wall up now before it is too late.

@ tkoind2. Actually it is Japan that needs to be put in check. Japan has territorial disputes with both Russia, South Korea, and China. That is endangering peace and stability in the region.

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@Chuan: You Japanese folks should learn to acknowledge and respect a rising China with its growing size and might.

Listen, China has to earn respect. You do not gain respect just because you're growing. Also, other than exploiting it's own people to fuel it's growth, what has China done to earn respect?

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nigelboyDec. 13, 2011 - 10:16AM JST You do realize that U.S.-Japan Security Agreement emcompases Senkaku, right? There is more risk to China by testing if U.S. will act on it's agreement.

Confusion about where U.S. defense commitments apply could lead to serious miscalculations by Japan claiming disputed Senkaku islands. Japan could become unwarrantedly provocative if they believe that they have U.S, backing. China could underestimate a U.S. response. There are times in international relations when ambiguity serves the interests of peace and security. This is not the case with mutual defense treaties. The people of U.S. and Japan deserve clarity about what and where they are pledged to defend.

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Very good tactical play by Japan. Japan can survive with out China for sure.... But China can not live with out Japan and other countries in the world. Already most of the developed countries are united aganist China. Most of the Asian countries are united to fight aganist Chinese aggression.

Ishihara`s statement will provoke China and China will eat this bait. China will send ships and occupy the Island. Japan can live with out that Island.

Once China does it More countries will hate China and China clearly viewed as an aggressor. Then More countries will join the unified force aganist China and finally China has to surrender to the world power led by Japan and USA...

China is making a navel base in Pakistan and now in the Indian Ocean island of Seychelles. It very clear they are aganist the world.. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/Chinese-military-base-in-Indian-Ocean/articleshow/11089159.cms

They using the money and muscle to buy the poor Island nations for own purpose..

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Listen, China has to earn respect. You do not gain respect just because you're growing. Also, other than exploiting it's own people to fuel it's growth, what has China done to earn respect?

Japan is losing alot of respect when it has territorial disputes with its 3 neighbors. Don't try to act innocent in East Asia. China will gain respect whether you like it or not. Time is on China's side.

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@ tokyokawasaki. Japan is losing alot of respect when it has territorial disputes with its 3 neighbors. Don't try to act innocent in East Asia. China will gain respect whether you like it or not. Time is on China's side.

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Chuan. Japan won't be alone in containing China. She has the US strategic alliance at her back. Something China is and will continue to be ill prepared to face.

Second Japan can and likely will form regional alliances with the Philippines, Korea and other nations who are equally concerned. Making a grand coalition devoted to assuring that China either plays nice with her neighbors or isolated.

People are waking up to the fact that China is a threat. The good news is that many Chinese are also starting to see that their current form of government and its objectives are no in line with their personal 'westernized" ambitions. Meanwhile working class and lower working class Chinese are starting to see just how big the gap between government propaganda and reality is becoming. Internal strife alone may keep China in check. There are a dozen books on this topic alone.

So try to paint Japan is a black a color as you can. The world is not afraid of Japan. The rise of the yens shows that the world has some considerable faith here still. But the world is rightfully growing very warry of China.

And then you can consider how the Russians factor into this. I can tell you this much for certain, not on China's corner.

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Chuan. Japan won't be alone in containing China. She has the US strategic alliance at her back. Something China is and will continue to be ill prepared to face. Second Japan can and likely will form regional alliances with the Philippines, Korea and other nations who are equally concerned. Making a grand coalition devoted to assuring that China either plays nice with her neighbors or isolated. People are waking up to the fact that China is a threat. The good news is that many Chinese are also starting to see that their current form of government and its objectives are no in line with their personal 'westernized" ambitions. Meanwhile working class and lower working class Chinese are starting to see just how big the gap between government propaganda and reality is becoming. Internal strife alone may keep China in check. There are a dozen books on this topic alone. So try to paint Japan is a black a color as you can. The world is not afraid of Japan. The rise of the yens shows that the world has some considerable faith here still. But the world is rightfully growing very warry of China. And then you can consider how the Russians factor into this. I can tell you this much for certain, not on China's corner.

@tkoind2. Keep on dreaming that China is a threat. You will be very disappointed in the end. China is getting stronger day by day, month by month. China's influence is already being felt around the world and will only strengthen as time goes by.

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The only comedians will be Japan's ultra-nationalists and others who want to challenge China.

There is no much difference in the comedy level between Japan's ultra-nationalists and China's ultra-nationalists. They would have both been great entertainers if there were not some people taking them seriously.

However, i am sorry, but i consider Japan a far more democratic nation than China. The fact that it has territorial disputes with its neighbor states does not mean that it lacks in democracy in comparison to them.

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I believe if the current security agreement has to be tested in terms of interpretation, Senkaku would be a good scenario since no one is living there. If U.S. doesn't act, more power to the Japanese conservatives and the right for they prefer to see Japan increase her military spending and increase presence as opposed to relying on U.S.

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realmindDec. 13, 2011 - 10:20AM JST. These 20000 companies employ millions of poor chinese people. If China does loot the Japanese companies all the foreign companies will stop the factories in China. No more products will be sold made in China..in any part of the world. The ultimate looser will be China and China will be burned by own Chinese poor people....

China doesn't give a damn about workers' rights and that, coupled with stable and developed infrastructure, is exactly why so many companies have been rushing to exploit this cheap labor "natural resource". China is compensating workers at bare minimum levels, just enough to keep labor unrest low but not enough to build a strong middle class or internally driven mass consumer economy. It keeps the companies and the upper classes happy, but obviously the upwardly mobile and less fortunate aren't content.

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Chuan. You sound like the national propaganda ministry.

China is growing a bubble that is an increasing risk to global economic stability. Efforts to control overheating are not as effective as China hopes.

World wide people are starting to see that China is a threat. This will almost certainly lead to efforts to contain her. The change in US rhetoric towards China is already a pretty clear indicator.

The Philippines and Korea are already reaching out with concerns over China and the foundations of a regional coalition are already there. If China continues her childish tacticts, it will only serve to push this forward faster.

China's growth is still dependent upon her ability to export goods. Other nations can have a profound impact. The knife here cuts both ways friend.

China's influence is being felt, but much of that is business opportunity. Her political influence is marginal still and with her current form of government, China is very unlikely to be able to unseat the US as a political leader on the global stage. With the EU in disarray, the US role is strengthening again.

And don't forget about Russia. Near endless natural resources, a powerful and dangerous leadership and the military know how to put China in her place if necessary. Russia would not benefit from a dominant China. They want that role themselves. So there is this second front to the west that China needs to keep in mind when tossing her weight around.

History suggests that China will have to confront her own internal demons before becoming more effective on the international stage. And that looks increasingly difficult for China to do without burning even more western bridges.

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I am very happy to read of this news. When LDP comes back and ousted this awful, too corrupt DPJ, Mr.Ishihara should become PM. Under Ishihara, Japan will rise again and stand up to China and two Koreas just like before.I hope and pray we Japanese build a very big military base on Senkakus and used for strike at the china's bully.

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To kukuchai

japan is provoking China, if people didnt interfere you, please dont interfere others

You think that when a country decides to defend his own territory this can be interpreted as an act of provocation? Are you serious?

If a thief entered his residence you do not do anything to defend your family? Ok, I understand you are a pacifist, peace and love,is not it?

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"...to avoid a new cold war." guess you haven't been reading the news too much. The new cold war has already started, but it has little to do with naval might. It has to do with information warfare. In case you haven't noticed, there have been government level hacking in the USA, China, Iran and Israel. and multle incidents in each country involved (as opposed to one isolated event) Not to mention the launching of new spy satilties by all major power with Japan included. Its not a full scale cold war yet, but make no mistake, we have already seen the start of a cyberpunk-esq cold war.

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Well, for once I have to agree with our favourite nutcase mayor. If Japan does not put her foot down, she´ll soon be looking at mainland China military base on the islands.

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He isn't the mayor.

Yes, not the best idea. If preserving the peace is the main goal, then this would be counter productive by exciting similar power moves and fears on both sides. Then there is little doubt that a small conflict would lead to a larger conflict with nice kids dying on both sides.

The Japanese government had the right idea in the first place by offering to cooperatively develop industry in the area. But if China declines at this time, as they have, then that should be respected, and the offer can be brought up again at a later time when it might seem more acceptable. But really, I think that China's stance will not change because they rather prefer to have the Senkaku islands as a buffer between itself and Japan just as they feel better having North Korea as a buffer between itself and US influence in East Asia. If this impression is correct, then it also means that China will retain its ownership claim to the area, but never really take the islands and develop them purely for its own use. So, if islands are left just as they are, a type of lesser DMZ, then there are no worries on this point.

As for China's military modernization, it is fine. To be securely prepared for self defense within one's own borders is the right thing for any nation to do. The US in particular should understand this given its bill of rights and its own military size. Plus, it is common sense that any potential threat is less so when not threatened or meddled with. So, the Futenman issue should be kept more closely to Japan and the US and with appropriate sensitivity to the Okinawans. If it gets built, make it as unobtrusive as possible: furthest distance from populace, using the worst looking beaches ( are there any bad looking beaches in Okinawa??), smallest foot print, most environmentally friendly design, maybe use a peripheral island et cetera.

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To kentaro75

I am very happy to read of this news. When LDP comes back and ousted this awful, too corrupt DPJ, Mr.Ishihara should become PM. Under Ishihara, Japan will rise again and stand up to China and two Koreas just like before.

You should know that DPJ not a party formed by Japanese legitimate. Is what can be called of accumulation of human waste.

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Aggression meets with aggression, clearly. If Japan were to even SERIOUSLY consider this China would just launch their ships and occupy the islands officially, and that would be the end of it for Japan. Ishihara doesn't seem to realize that what he's suggesting would in all probability hand the islands over to China permanently, not to mention how much it would further aggravate tensions.

I'm not defending China in any of this, I'm just saying that given their 'assertiveness', as Ishihara admits, they'll have no qualms about taking the islands and guarding them with a strong force Japan could not even begin to try and get around (and the US would not help provoke war, only verbally side with Japan). BAD move, Japan.

I have just noticed this topic on JT as I am not in Japan (time difference).

I totally agreed with smith. This is a BAD MOVE, Japan.

Ishihara should learn that US owes the most money to China while US is thinking to streamline the defense spendings for the next couple years. Think about instibility in the Middle East and Afganistan, Euro crisis, our finacial mess home. It is unlikely US is going to back up Japanese provocative move. It would be a different story if Japan is attacked, then US is ready to strike back China as there is a genuine reason to do so and it will be justified.. I always disrespect ANY politicians who skip negotiations before delivering an ULTIMATUM option in diplomacy. They are lazy politicians without negotiation skills that is their job. I am glad he is not a PM of Japan. He seems to have a tunnel vision in global geo politics.

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CHuan and smithinjapan it would mean war with Japan and the United States. Any invasion force would be spotted and intercepted. There will be 2 US aircraft carriers, their task forces and add the Japanese self defense force. A small base on these islands makes sense. They are part of Okinawa and part of Japan. The island is too small for any real size base and no threat to China. The battle will be a land and air battle. This is where the Marines on Okinawa could help, provided they are all sent. Again these are our islands! China trying to take them means WAR!

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I am very happy to read of this news. When LDP comes back and ousted this awful, too corrupt DPJ, Mr.Ishihara should become PM. Under Ishihara, Japan will rise again and stand up to China and two Koreas just like before.

Just simply... wow dude.

Who let the uyoku in here? "Just like before"? Yes, that's exactly what we need...

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meant to write air and sea battle. This could be the start of WWIII and China will be to blame.

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China will never land on the Senkakus nor will they deploy PLAN ships there for the simple resason that the United States has already declared the Senkakus to be wthin the US defense perimeter. Unless China wants to srtar a war with the United States, the country that has kept them from trying to take Taiwan for 50 years, thy will not dare.

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CHuan and smithinjapan it would mean war with Japan and the United States. Any invasion force would be spotted and intercepted. There will be 2 US aircraft carriers, their task forces and add the Japanese self defense force. A small base on these islands makes sense. They are part of Okinawa and part of Japan. The island is too small for any real size base and no threat to China. The battle will be a land and air battle. This is where the Marines on Okinawa could help, provided they are all sent. Again these are our islands! China trying to take them means WAR! @YuriOtani. Keep dreaming, these are Chinese islands whether you like it or not.

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I tell this to Ishihara that I will make sure all US military soldiers and cadets (officers) are not going to be deployed. If he still wants to do this, then use JSDF and Japanese youth. US should stay out of it. We have enough, enough, enough..

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@Chuan. I normally admire patriots.

But what you write is precisely why the rest of the world should not trust China. When you talk about a "matter of time', I hope this is true for the Chinese government as I would like to see the Chinese people overthrow them.

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Like father, like son.

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Good for Japan. Finally a politician that will stand up and talk straight like a "Man".

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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

Einstein

By the way, count me out. You mess it up, you clean it up yourself.

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You Japanese folks should learn to acknowledge and respect a rising China with its growing size and might

Respect is earned not blindly given.

There is a lot of potential for China to be a real world power someday. However, there are many obstacles that first need to be overcome and one of the biggest ones in my opinion is how the majority of the world currently views China, Generally with a leering distrust at best and outright disdain/hatred at worst. It would behoove the PRC to think carefully about what kind of image they want to cultivate and proceed accordingly.

remember that you get more with sugar than with vinegar.

proclaming large areas of ocean and laying claim to islands based on "history" that is only known to the occupying nation is NOT a way to garner support and understanding from the international community.

Unless of course, China WANTS to foster an image of a velvet gloved tyrant? Then by all means, proceed as usual...

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nigelboy: "You do realize that U.S.-Japan Security Agreement emcompases Senkaku, right? There is more risk to China by testing if U.S. will act on it's agreement."

The difference is that China will take the risk (if push comes to shove), and the US do nothing about it. China owns a large part of the US, and that along with China being the world's second biggest economy the US, and the world for that matter, cannot afford to engage China in any sort of aggression beyond words. They'd sooner persuade Japan to back off than risk war with China. As such, Mr. Ishihashi's suggestion won't go anywhere beyond where it was when he made it.

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CHuan, China can come and take them if they dare. Any war means no trade for China Dream on Chinese person, Soviet grade weapons are TRASH and with military failure the Communist party will fall.

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YuriOtani: "CHuan and smithinjapan it would mean war with Japan and the United States. Any invasion force would be spotted and intercepted."

Japan cannot defend itself against any Chinese threat, and I notice you are now including the US in your talk of war (I guess it's not about Okinawa, so you include them for a change). What would happen is China would simply take the islands by force, Japan would retreat, and tensions would be at an all time high for a while before they simmered down to higher than normal bombast and rhetoric. China would keep the islands, permanently, and Japan would lose the ONLY island claim it has that has a bit of teeth to it (the same reasons they want to strengthen their claim to these islands, by the way, is why Dokdo belongs to SKorea -- they have a base there, and maintain it year around. Russia is also increasing its military presence in the Kuriles... yet watch them negate the latter two nations' claims for the same reasons it claims these islands belong to Japan!).

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Respect is earned not blindly given. There is a lot of potential for China to be a real world power someday. However, there are many obstacles that first need to be overcome and one of the biggest ones in my opinion is how the majority of the world currently views China, Generally with a leering distrust at best and outright disdain/hatred at worst. It would behoove the PRC to think carefully about what kind of image they want to cultivate and proceed accordingly. remember that you get more with sugar than with vinegar. proclaming large areas of ocean and laying claim to islands based on "history" that is only known to the occupying nation is NOT a way to garner support and understanding from the international community. Unless of course, China WANTS to foster an image of a velvet gloved tyrant? Then by all means, proceed as usual...

@crustpunker. You cannot lecture China about respect when Japan has territorial disputes with South Korea, China, and Russia. And China does not need to compromise its national interests and sovereignty to appease the world to earn respect. Long-term it is not worth it.

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Sorry smith. As Ossan alluded to, China won't take the risk simply because they would of done so if they could. That is proven in South China Sea. And please. Why do you underestimate the JMSDF?? It's neck and neck with China with Japan having superior technology while PLA having more stuff.

If Japan builds a base there, there will be less intrusion from the Chinese. Ishihara is right on this one.

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CHuan, China can come and take them if they dare. Any war means no trade for China Dream on Chinese person, Soviet grade weapons are TRASH and with military failure the Communist party will fall.

@YuriOtani. It is only a war if Japan dares to attack China when it tries to build its PLA base on the Diaoyu Islands. Don't try to stop China from reinforcing its sovereignty. It is not worth to endanger Japan's security in doing so.

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Chaun, nobody respects China. Unless they come out of the closet clean, no one will ever respect China, regardless of how big, or how many people are there.

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Chaun, nobody respects China. Unless they come out of the closet clean, no one will ever respect China, regardless of how big, or how many people are there.

@Gurukun. Oh please. China does have respect from other countries. Are you living in a bubble or what? China is already earning some admiration. People look to China to maintain overall growth of the world economy.

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CHuan, historically speaking, China has used brute force to claim several "territorial disputes". I hope you're not denying that.

Also, China does not deserve respect from me, or from anyone by force, as you are implying, or have your mind been so brainwashed that you can't learn from history? You seem like a smart enough chap, why don't you do some online research?

Why do you keep emphasizing that Japan should worry about domestic problems? China has it's own domestic problems to worry about. So does North Korea and Russia.

If you try to build your PLA base on contested territory, then you are in violation of international laws. Please don't think that China is excempt from these laws.

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Why do you underestimate the JMSDF?? It's neck and neck with China with Japan having superior technology while PLA having more stuff.

@nigelboy, please tell me why US decided to leave Korean penninsula the way it is while General MacAuther wanted to go all the way? Why did US decided to leave Vietnam? Why US is having problems in Afganistan and Pakistan?

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CHuan, historically speaking, China has used brute force to claim several "territorial disputes". I hope you're not denying that. Also, China does not deserve respect from me, or from anyone by force, as you are implying, or have your mind been so brainwashed that you can't learn from history? You seem like a smart enough chap, why don't you do some online research? Why do you keep emphasizing that Japan should worry about domestic problems? China has it's own domestic problems to worry about. So does North Korea and Russia. If you try to build your PLA base on contested territory, then you are in violation of international laws. Please don't think that China is excempt from these laws.

@Elvensilvan. China certainly has my respect unlike you. Force has been used throughout human history. Are you too naive to think that respect can never ever be earn from show of force or defending a nation's interests or sovereignty? This world is not all flowers and rainbows you know. China has real legitimate claims, not Japan. The sooner they recognize that, the better.

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. China does have respect from other countries.

Who? For a country that buries train wrecks? walk past children that are run over? Fishong baots that constantly ram other countries Coast Guard vessels?

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CHuan - the old emperors of China would be shocked and deeply disappointed at what has happened to their country. You think China should have respect, huh? Well does China have respect for others? Here's to the land of the...

Fake 2010 Expo song: http://www.japanprobe.com/2010/04/17/2010-shanghai-expo-theme-song-is-a-shameless-copy-of-a-1997-japanese-song/

Fake McDonald's: http://www.gadling.com/2009/01/07/china-mall-devoted-to-fake-brands/

Fake Disneyland: http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/05/02/disneyland-in-china/

Fake Apple stores: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14273444

And those fake Apple stores were not closed down for being fake, but for not having business licenses. What a joke. This is China's shame. Who knows, even the missiles and ships might be fake too. You want respect? Earn it.

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All readers back on topic please. From here on, posts that do not focus on Ishihara's comments will be removed.

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Ultimately, Japanese war hawks like Ishihara will not bring about peace in East Asia if they continue to dispute China's legitimate sovereignty and obstruct China's national interests.

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Ultimately, Japanese war hawks like Ishihara will not bring about peace in East Asia if they continue to dispute China's legitimate sovereignty and obstruct China's national interests.

When did the island ever become an 'undisputed' territory of the PRC??? Did Chinese national media report that at the risk of undermining their credibility while the sovereignty is still up for grab? Claiming the island as a legit sovereignty while ignoring the voices that oppose to such claim is not persuasive at all.

Regarding Nobuteru Ishihara, I think he has decent qualifications for the future national leader. He has certain political skills, visions, and humbleness--unlike his father.

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Ishihara may know what he's thinking.. but i hope he knows the PRos and cons of doing this.. chances of war with china over a small peice of land and having th U.S be dragged into this to try and calm both down... -headdesk- ...last thing we all need is a war over a small bit of territory..

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Ishihara knows exactly what he's doing. Saying populist stuff that will never ever eventuate to garner votes from traditional LDP core supporters. China and America will carry on as they are regardless of this idiot's musings.

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why doesn't demonstrate the same balls when it comes to Takeshima/Dokdo?

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@crustpunker. You cannot lecture China about respect when Japan has territorial disputes with South Korea, China, and Russia. And China does not need to compromise its national interests and sovereignty to appease the world to earn respect. Long-term it is not worth it.

And this kind of mentality is exactly WHY countries like Japan feel it is necessary to protect their own national interests.

As Ishihara said: "Japan should also look more broadly at stepping up defense spending in the face of a rising China"

Rolling over is not the best course of action when dealing with a bully. Especially when dealing with a stubborn and irrational nation that will only be satisfied when it has encroached on the mainland of Japan itself and taken Tokyo for its own. I find it pathetic that such a once great nation like China should be so greedy that they CONSTANTLY need to sneakily and covertly lay claim to places that history and international treaties teaches us are not their soverign area.

ah well, really all Ishihara has to do is wait for the inevitable fall of China from being torn apart from the inside. Then he won't have to worry much about building bases...

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...last thing we all need is a war over a small bit of territory..

Yeah well, it seemed to work for Agamemnon when he laid a seige of 10 years on the city of Troy on the pretense that Paris insulted his brother Menelaus by stealing away his "territory" in Helen.

just sayin' Perhaps China is pushing FOR a conflict after all? Seemed to work well enough for the Greeks anyway..

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@CHuan, We already understand China's aggressive military expansionism in Asia that is very disturbing.

Iraq govt used aggressive comments like yours as a deterrent against Iran.

Well, the deterrent (lie, bluffing) against Iran actually made the world to believe we needed to invade Iraq. What did we discover after everything was all over? Iraq did not have any yellow cake.

Is this what you are trying to do here? Just do not underestimate the most sophisticated hitech military capability of US. I just warn you. We have been very nice.

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It's either ending diplomatic ties or improving it but take note the decision lies mainly on Japan for this matter and it would bear the consequences if building a base on the island is worth it. I hope Japan would choose wisely not to bow down to other countries but to maintain good relationship for the sake of their future generations to come.

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How about making Senkaku into a free-trade zone? Everyone wins.

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Whilst I personally believe this man to be a waste of sperm and precious air we breathe, After reading the article, I think this time he has actually conjured up something useful in his nationalistic, scrambled egg for a Nihonjinrin cranium.

This is exactly what Japan has to do in order to counteract China and bolster up the countries defense.

However is this were to happen, China would immediately cease all trade with Japan including much needed rare earths that are a key component in creating electronic goods, microchips and many other goods which, when combined, form the main pillar of Japanese economic growth.

Perhaps China is thinking the same way in relation to the islands. Aside from gas fields and natural resources surrounding them, China see the Senkaku islands as a stepping stone in order to build a base and encircle Taiwan which is most definitely in its sights in the near future.

My view of Ishihara has shifted dramatically after reading this, and truly hope the governing party considers something like this in the near future.

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It is gonna cost you. Not easy to build in a remote location.

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NICE TRY MR. CHuan with your comments but it`s not going to work, this is the real world, not your world like your country (CHINA)...

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If there's one thing that bug's be it's these cowardly right wing nutjobs in Japan who criticize the US every chance they get, but they just love to talk tough to China and talk about how the US will send in the marines to help them.

Kentarou, Yuri Otani and others... grow up! The LDP should concentrate more on fixing all the other problems Japan has without playing tough guy and then running to the US for help.

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Does japan has forgotton their 'little eyes' were very vulnerable when flying over China's outter space? Build a base in the Senkaku isles? Wow...too much political propaganda for Mr Ishihara! Too bad, unlike his father his rhetoric seems to be even more 'unrealistic'!

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LDP were a bunch of 'desperated politicians' they need to bring up something bizzare to boost the party popularity! Nice try Mr Ishihara!

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Did someone has mentioned the Senkaku Isles was withinthe US navy 's so called perimeter? Well, i want to remind him, the entire Korean peninsula was within Chinese ballistic missiles projecting 'perimeter' including those 'flat top' at sea! I really want to congraduates the PLA navy, their show of force last year has slapped the japanese government over the 'trawler collision' with the greatest attention from the world and humilations!

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Mr Ishihara and the other ossified members of Japan's right wing fringe make no better argument for the point of view that while the "overt" rationale for the US-Japan Security Treaty is for the defense of Japan, the "unspoken" rationale is to "keep a lid" on Japan and keep the country from again marching down the path towards militarism.

And for the virulently nationalistic pro-China posters here, you may want to know that your government tacitly supports the US-Japan Security Treaty for this very reason (open press reporting notwithstanding). For while many Chinese openly boast of their nation's growing economic and military power, many others, to include the Communist rulers, hold a deep-seated fear of Japan, because history has taught them what Japan is capable of when nationalist fever takes hold in that country.

You could get perhaps only one issue that North Korea, South Korea, China, Russia, the Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam and Australia would all agree on (behind closed doors), and that is the US - Japan Security Treaty is in all their long term interests as it keeps Japan from re-arming and again becoming a major military threat in Asia.

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I bet the US won't allow the construction of the base there before objection from China & Taiwan. Moreover, what size of the base supposed to be (for 2 ships?...)?

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China needs to grow up and Japan needs to also be more adult like, some stupid unihabited rocks, and both of these countries are using their propaganda machines for??? Just plain stupid!

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yasukuni, If China gets the islands the next step is demanding the rest of the Okinawa prefecture. They will claim it since once upon a time the Ryukyu Kingdom was a tributary member of China. The small base will mean that China would have to fight for the island, aggression. It would give time for the US Marines to fly there in their helicopters. Missed this aspect before and once the Marines are in place China would have to attack American troops. Marines are also tough and combat tested. A small base will help them defend these islands. It is not aggression, these islands are now a part of Japan.

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@nigelboy, please tell me why US decided to leave Korean penninsula the way it is while General MacAuther wanted to go all the way? Why did US decided to leave Vietnam? Why US is having problems in Afganistan and Pakistan?

Do any of those conflicts had Security Treaty in place? There is a reason why there are so many U.S. bases in Japan. There is reason why Japan hosts a U.S. aircraft carrier. There is a reason why U.S. was able to engage in those conflicts (Operation whatever) and it's all based on a single document. Now the question is, is U.S. willing to lose all of these by not adhering to the Treaty? I doubt it but IMHO, Senkaku scenario is an ideal litmus test for how far U.S. will go to protect Japan's interest. If U.S. does not assist, it basically proves the right (like Ishihara's dad) that Japan needs to remilitarize once again and will no doubt silence the left wing nuts, thereby enabling the once silent and non commital Japanese populance to favor the view of the former.

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Don’t talk about it….DO IT! Put a listening station and a battery of anti-ship/anti-air missiles. Let China pitch a fit, but if they had not acted so aggressively in the South China Sea and in Japanese waters there would be no need. The US will have Japan’s back. China can be satisfied with their new Indian Ocean base and their one old junk soviet hull mini carrier.

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Go for it Ishihara...Japan need out of box thinking like this..isseki nicho da ne!!

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NICE TRY MR. CHuan with your comments but it`s not going to work, this is the real world, not your world like your country (CHINA)...

@Arayat. Sorry to burst your precious bubble, but China is rapidly getting stronger in the real world while Japan remains weak in the real world in comparison. Don't fear China's rise. This article is a reaction to that reality.

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And this kind of mentality is exactly WHY countries like Japan feel it is necessary to protect their own national interests. As Ishihara said: "Japan should also look more broadly at stepping up defense spending in the face of a rising China" Rolling over is not the best course of action when dealing with a bully. Especially when dealing with a stubborn and irrational nation that will only be satisfied when it has encroached on the mainland of Japan itself and taken Tokyo for its own. I find it pathetic that such a once great nation like China should be so greedy that they CONSTANTLY need to sneakily and covertly lay claim to places that history and international treaties teaches us are not their soverign area. ah well, really all Ishihara has to do is wait for the inevitable fall of China from being torn apart from the inside. Then he won't have to worry much about building bases...

@crustpunker. The fall of China will only happen in your dream. Stop drinking the koolaid and acknowledge China's legitimate claims rather than Japan's. Japan is actually the bully here when it has territorial disputes with its 3 neighbors. Or are you so blind to that fact?

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Ishihara's comments are bang on. Not only is China a threat to Japan, Taiwan, all of Southeast Asia, but is challenging the United States. China is the most mistrusted country in Asia with a terrotorial and military expantionist agenda. The mistrust is fueled by their bullying practices towards their neighbors and non-transparent military agenda. China has NO legitimate claim to the Senkakus, a claim they only created in the 1970s when it looked like oil and gas was there. It was not won in the Sino-Japanese War of 1884/85. Chinas simply seeks to expand her territorial borders by bullying, force and propaganda.

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just-a-guyDec. 13, 2011 - 07:41PM JST Did someone has mentioned the Senkaku Isles was withinthe US navy 's so called perimeter?

Yes, the US Secretary of State did.

Well, i want to remind him, the entire Korean peninsula was within Chinese ballistic missiles projecting 'perimeter' >including those 'flat top' at sea! I really want to congraduates the PLA navy,

The PLAN is garbage. Just like everything else China produces.

their show of force last year has slapped the japanese government over the 'trawler collision' with the greatest >attention from the world and humilations!

The humiliation was China's as the entire world saw just how arrogant, barbaric and lawless China really is.

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The PLAN is garbage. Just like everything else China produces.

Reminded me of their "new" Aircraft Carrier which lacks arresting cables. I wonder how they got that solved.

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/world/news/111123/chn11112300130000-n1.htm

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The Okinawans had learned from their experience of 1945 that armies do not defend people, and so tended to believe that any defence of the Senkakus that rested on militarizing them and embedding them in hostile confrontation between Japan and China would expose Okinawa to greater threat rather than improve its security. Okinawans have a long historical memory of friendly relations with China, and in contrast to mainland fears and anxieties For Okinawans, the Senkaku issue is not so much one of national security as of livelihood. It is the fishing grounds around the islands that are precious, rather than national security considerations or seabed oil and gas reserves. J-goverment has to make every effort to build stronger ties with neighboring nations, otherwise Japan will be cornered.

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sfjp330, it is not the same China. It was the old Imperial government and not even the Nationalist Government. So what should we do, meekly surrender to the Chinese? The battle will be over the South China seas and in it. As for the Chinese fleet, the Americans have scrapped or sunk better ships. One of their latest destroyers has first generation anti aircraft missiles. So many of their submarines and ships will be sitting ducks in battle. Their aircraft will be at the limits of their endurance and they just do not have the capacity or skill to launch a proper strike. CHuan, you are spreading more manure than someone working in horse barn. China is a long way from challenging Japan never mind the United States.

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YuriOtaniDec. 14, 2011 - 05:06AM JST So what should we do, meekly surrender to the Chinese? The battle will be over the South China seas and in it.

Japan goverment policy over the disputed Senkaku islands is seen to be in a flux because the political merry-go-round means that you don’t have any long-term binding policies. This applies to political leaders resigning in Japan over minor issues and the very nature of factionalism with Japanese politics is causing mayhem. China may believe that Japan is weak because of internal political issues. China probably believes that U.S. containment of Japan will continue and this will restrict Japan’s hand because U.S, would not desire to become embroiled in a major dispute between China and Japan. It must be added that these tensions are nothing new but China in the past was hindered by an outdated military and limited economic and political leverages.

The current Japan goverment with Noda appear to be so compliant and China also faces many internal issues. China has huge economic inequality and internal ethnic conflicts. It is in the interest of China and Japan to work things out diplomatically because both nations have strengths and weaknesses. Also, in the field of economic trade and growing relations between both nations, it is in the interest of both China and Japan to resolve territorial disputes. The issues of territorial disputes must be solved between two equal partners and not based on power projection.

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It's about time Japan shows China that there are limits for their rude and bullying actions to their neighboring countries. Why can't countries claiming for disputed islands agree not to enter the said disputed islands until the claim is settled. Calling United Nations... this is a job to be attended asap sleepy heads.

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sfjp330, these islands are Japanese. Korea put a garrison on the rocks while Japan placed a marker. Korea will never pull out. So if Japan places a base no matter how small will cement our claim. China attacking Japan will bring our leaders our of their daze. If America will not defend Japan, then it is time for all of them to leave. Japan would have to rearm and produce a deterrent force. Because if America will not honor its commitment to defend Japan even if it is a small set of islands, it could not be counted on to defend any part of Japan. China wants ALL of the Okinawa islands so its fleet would have unfiltered access to the Pacific. Who knows they might kill all of the Okinawa people after the invasion. What is 1.3 million people to China? Appeasement has not worked in the past and it will not work now or in the future. It would be an reenactment of Czechoslovakia. I can see President Obama holding a sign "Peace in our time".

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Come to think of it, if Futenma gets built, not only is Okinawa by far the better location, but it should have great architecture so that it has the visual effect of a beach resort for the Okinawans. Also then, if the Futenma base ever comes to no longer be in the best interests of Japan, the location could be more easily converted to a modern airport or civic/expo center.

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YuriOtaniDec. 14, 2011 - 06:55AM JST. China attacking Japan will bring our leaders our of their daze. If America will not defend Japan, then it is time for all of them to leave. Japan would have to rearm and produce a deterrent force. Because if America will not honor its commitment to defend Japan even if it is a small set of islands, it could not be counted on to defend any part of Japan.

U.S. is in deep in the planning stages of a major military buildup in Asia. U.S. is engaging with many Asian countries for access agreements, cross-servicing agreements, forward stationing agreements, partnerships, capacity building, training, and foreign military sales. U.S. settling in for a long Cold War with China. Of course, no one in U.S.will acknowledge that a massive upgrade of U.S. in Asia has anything to do with China. Throughout the Cold War and beyond, U.S. has collected allies in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East by assuming the burden of their national security in exchange for control of their sea lanes, air corridors, and energy supplies. U.S. may get ensnared into another unwinnable war, only this time at an existential cost.

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@crustpunker. The fall of China will only happen in your dream. Stop drinking the koolaid and acknowledge China's legitimate claims rather than Japan's. Japan is actually the bully here when it has territorial disputes with its 3 neighbors. Or are you so blind to that fact?

Hmm, well if you think China's "rise" to power has been totally "legitimate" then you are dreaming my friend. And if you believe your dreams will come true than sleep, is all you'll ever do.

Though, I WOULD like to know what these "legitimate" claims you speak of are. Do you have a source or has the propoganda invaded your being so deeply that just "knowing" is enough for you? Honestly, arguing over a pile of rocks is silly. However, Japan bullying China! UBER lol. Can't recall when the last time a Japanese boat rammed a Chinese one in Chinese waters. Or when a Japanese fisherman and his crew when caught illegaly poaching in Chinese waters MURDERED one of their Chinese captors. Oh wait, that was Korea! and again, my mistake that was A Chinese captain who killed a Korean officer (who had a wife and children) My bad, hmmmm, seems as though China is having trouble playing nice with everyone. The very definition of a..... are you ready? BULLY.

Look, your stance is obviously not going to change and you will no doubt continue to lay these imaginary "claims" for China but until you provide a source for these claims, no-one is going to take your argument seriously.

Please define for everyone exactly where you think China's borders extend to in relation to Japan/internarional waters.

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The trwler incident was really 'feels good' until now many japanese still cant let go of it... just like Chinese people cant let go the 'najiang massacre'! But time is different, China has got many cards, Japan needs Chinese markets and china has stronger military forces in both conventional and nuclear detereances! What does Japan has? A paper of gurantee known as 'US Japan alliances'! China has never bullying Japan, the PRC is just speaking the 'languages' the japanese understood!

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Japan needs to establish a presence on the Senkaku islands, maybe a coastguard station or something. If they don't China will move in sooner or later. Use it or lose it Japan.

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I really doubt if Japan can build and keep a base there, even a small one. Suppose Japan can do it, why JP need protection of the US?

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"Japan is actually the bully here when it has territorial disputes with its 3 neighbors. Or are you so blind to that fact?"

Japan has 3 areas but China has about 13 territorial disputes. So who is the bully? Personally I think both Ishihara and China are both wrong. Both are provoking and the people who ultimately will suffer from these childish squabbles are the citizens. Moms, wives, children, friends, brothers and sisters care more about the well being of the men they love than some dumb little islands. People dont want to send their loved ones to fight and die over a tiny island. People want peace, safety, and comfort in life. They want to enjoy life and their families. But politicians dont care. They are willing to shed their peoples blood over a tiny island. I think both Japan and China need to back off and stop this nonsense for the benefit of their own people. These islands arent worth the lives that could be lost over it.

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@CHuan - China's historical ties to the Senkaku Islands are tenuous at best. They are Okinawan first and foremost, and part of Japan second, and not at all Chinese. Your spelling of the name of the islands isn't even valid; even if they were part of Taiwan they would be called Tiaoyu using Wade-Giles romanization. The only way to justify a Pinyin spelling would be if they were part of mainland China, which they are not, and which Taiwan, despite the fervent wishes of the mainland, is not. Call then the Senkakus; call them Pinnacle Rocks; call them Nishi-Yaima ("North Yaeyama" in the local Okinawan language); your word for them is invalid and reveals your bias.

Your position seems to be "China is big and strong, so it can take what it likes." That has never worked out for any great power in history, and won't work for the PRC either.

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"Japan is actually the bully here when it has territorial disputes with its 3 neighbors. Or are you so blind to that fact?"

The Senkakus hasve been Japanese since Jan 1884 when it was uninhabited and unclaimed by anyone. China only made a claim in 1969 when oil/gas was discovered. The Southern Kuriles are Japanedse terriotory currently under Russian occupation. The US, UK and European Parliament have taken he position that Russia should return them to Japan since the USSR took them AFTER Japan surrendered in WWII. The Takeshima/Dokdo issue is tainted by "bullying" by South Korea because trhey unilaterally built a small coast guard base there and have occupied it. Japan has 4 territorial arguments with it;s nbeighbors while China leads all of asia with 17 arguments, Best get your facts straight.

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For heaven's sake, yes! Build a base there, then post Ishihara and his senile father there to defend the land of Amaterasu. They're both nothing but paper tigers.

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warnerbroDec. 14, 2011 - 10:49PM JST For heaven's sake, yes! Build a base there, then post Ishihara and his senile father there to defend the land of >Amaterasu. They're both nothing but paper tigers.

That's fine. The base will be providing information to the US 7th Fleet. Excellent idea.

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@YuriOtani

China wants ALL of the Okinawa islands so its fleet would have unfiltered access to the Pacific. Who knows they might kill all of the Okinawa people after the invasion.

Do you really believe that? You honestly think that if Japan agreed to let China have Senkaku that next they would be demanding Ishigaki and Miyako? Naha? Really?

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Join the Japanese self defense force , let's put China on notice that Japanese youth would not stand any acts of aggressive against the motherland !! Some of you would really make fine officers with all these strategic insights !! You know who you are...............

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yasukuni, YUP! It was an American decision that gave the Ryukyu Kingdom to Japan instead of China. Best we could hope for is China taking over the American bases and given a very limited form of self government. So Okinawa will still be occupied and a military target. I would rather things remain the same.

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oberst, been there done that, too old to serve now.

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Was he smoking something when he made the statement? Here is another politician who makes a statement without a plan. Hatoyama did the same thing when he stated that he would relocate Futemna but did not know where,

What kind of base does he think he can put in a 7 square kilometer outcrop and several rocks in the middle of nowhere?

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@Yuri. China is not making a claim for Ishigaki, Miyako, Naha - and I can't imagine them ever doing that. But if they did the whole world would be against them, and I would totally support any military invention to prevent that. i'd probably go myself.

I see Senkaku as totally different. btw, I probably trust China less than anyone.

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btw Do rightwingers contact each other and do the rounds of news sites, blogs and youtube? Sure seems that way.

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We (USA) should leave Japan entirely alone.

We (USA) are not welcomed in Japan. I have witnessed enough sufferings of US soldiers while Japanese have no clue to understand our pain after 4500 casualties, 32,000 disabilities veterans and almost 1 trillion dollar spending over Iraq. Leave Japan as they wish, and let them go back to the dust. There are a bunch of spineless Japanese who are not ready. Let them see what's like including moron Ishihara. His son should go to war, not us.

I have seen enough,I do not want to see any more pain, no more. Bye, bye, Japan, you are on your own. Send all spineless Japanese including Uyoku (radical righwingers of Japan) to go to the front line. Enough said from U.S.A.

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Uyoku (radical righwingers of Japan) to go to the front line

Forgot to add this;

Be aware that they will be the first one to go to AWOL. They are getting paid what they do. FYI

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130 COMMENTS ABOVE and none of you understand the Cairo Accords of 1943 or know the absolute size of the Senkaku Island. The absolute best move is to immediately return the Ryukyu Islands to Kingdom status and allow the Ryukyuan leadership to work with the Chinese. The USA should immediately return the Marines that are on Okinawa back to the USA. The USA and Japan cannot afford to do otherwise. Diplomacy should become the best answer to all our problems from now on ; our posturing at this time will only hasten the end of the USA as we know it today.

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@Marion, your post is catching my eyes. I really appreciate your view. May I ask why should we consider Cairo Accords of 1943 instead of The Potsdam Declaration in this dispute? I appreciate your feedback on this, so I can learn more about your view. Thanks.

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Welcome back Maron. I'm afraid that in your absence Okinawa still remains a Japanese prefecture, the Ryuku Kingdom still history having ended in the late 1800s and the U.S. continues to maintain the largest military presence in east Asia there to thwart the threat from your friends in Communist China whom you are unable to distinguish from our friends the KMT under Chiang Kai Shek. And remarkably enough the Cairo Accords are utterly irrelavant to this issue as always. The Senkakus remained Japanese because they wre never taken by force from anyone. Semper Fi!

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gtlobalwatcher: First the Potsdam Declaration was the absolute surrender of Japan from WW11 and the Cairo Accords gave back all lands "taken by violence or greed." NOW is the time for diplomacy and I can assure you that unless Japancaarys in a comrimising mood - that everyone and everything will be as it was in 1941. Maybe you haven't learned that China now has a Carrier stationed off the Senkaku Islands and a wrong move by Japan could plunge us all back in deep trouble. Also I have been on Okinawa (off and on) for the past 66 years and I work with Masahide Ota the former governor of the Ryukyu Islands Incidentally, I am ninety years old and I fought the Japanese and at the time of WW11 China was one of our allies. Japan was our enemy. I am married to a Ryukyuan girl and I am a member of the Taba family on Okinawa and my home is in Uechi.

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@Marion

After researching, I found there is no agreement officially signed for the Cairo Accords. Is there?

How would you take care of Japanese Nenkin (SSI like) and Japanese National Health Care provided for Okinawans? Are you willing to strip all of them from Okinawans?

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Globalwatcher: The Cairo Accords were part and parcl of the Potsdam Declaration and it has been alreay been activated in as much as Kores, and Formosa (Taiwan) have already been returned and so has the Kurile Islands and Japan put together a Reversion document that ostensibly signed by the Ryukyuan people asking to be returned to Japan as a prefecture. The UN put a High Commisioner into the Ryukyu Islands and it to be be worked out by the United Nations - So far it has not been brought to a decision.

The Ryukyuan people on Kinawa have SSI same as all the other Prefectures and they are taxed same as to rest of Japan

I might add that Japan arranged to have the final battle on Okinawa and over 240 thousand Ryukyuans lose their lives in a battle they wanted no part of.

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Marion Wm SteeleDec. 19, 2011 - 04:57AM JST gtlobalwatcher: First the Potsdam Declaration was the absolute surrender of Japan from WW11 and the Cairo >Accords gave back all lands "taken by violence or greed."

The Senkakus were nvberv takewmn from anmy country outy of "violence or greed". They were Terra Nullius when Japan incorporated them in January 1885.

NOW is the time for diplomacy and I can assure you that unless Japancaarys in a comrimising mood - that >everyone and everything will be as it was in 1941.

Maybe you weren't paying attention when the Chinedse poaching vessel rammed a JCG vessel twice. Japan got alot of croticism for "compromising" too much. China, your buddies, went off the deep end treating the poacher as a national hero and stopping its exports of rare metals.

Maybe you haven't learned that China now has a Carrier stationed off the Senkaku Islands and a wrong move by >Japan could plunge us all back in deep trouble.

Maybe you haven't learned that that second hand Ukranian carrier has no arresting cables which wouyld be a problem if thre PLAN had any pilots capable of landing on a carrier. And it;'s NOT stationed off the Senkakus per your dellusional statement. Apart from he Dairen Shipyard where it was fitted so far all it has domne is conduct sea trials and no home port of station has been declared/.

Also I have been on Okinawa (off and on) for the past 66 years and I work with Masahide Ota the former governor of >he Ryukyu Islands.

Unless you were there in th late 1800s he was never the governor of the Ryuku Islands. He was governor of Okinwa Prefecture.

Incidentally, I am ninety years old and I fought the Japanese and at the time of WW11 China was one of our allies. >apan was our enemy. I am married to a Ryukyuan girl and I am a member of the Taba family on Okinawa and my >ome is in Uechi.

Yes but the world has changed much since WWII, China is noy our ally anyuomre because they chased our KMT allies off to Taiwan. China killed many US Marines during 1950/51. And we are in a cold war with them now.

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This article is no longer available for review. Why? How is it possible that it has expired already? It's not even 24 hours old. Know why they pulled it out? Because the PLA Navy has begun to patrol the Senkaku islands for the first time ever. These are not surveillance or fisheries ships. This is the PLA Navy. And guess what? I haven't seen one small article about this fact in this online newspaper. Why are they keeping you in the dark? This is an act of war.

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