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LGBTQ activists condemn Japan's 'meaningless' equality bill

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By Tomohiro OSAKI

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LDP dinosaurs live in a loveless world.

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One of Kishida's secretaries was fired in February after he reportedly said he "doesn't even want to look at" married same-sex couples.

Kishida called the remarks "outrageous" and "incompatible" with the inclusive society his government wants.

I don't see how this is incompatible with Kishida and his government's staunch opposition to same sex marriage.

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"There can be no discrimination that is just," the group said in a statement this week, …

Women-only train carriages?

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no discrimination that is just

How about forced retirement at a certain age?

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How about anti discrimination laws for everyone- foreigners, women, elderly included

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LGBTQ activist Soshi Matsuoka also criticised the bill at a recent rally, calling it a "step backwards".

"Instead of promoting understanding, this bill risks hampering it," he said.

To the LDP bureaucracy, bills that are meaningless and have little value for the populace, which they can choose to enforce or not depending upon the status or position of those involved, are a feature , not a bug.

Not one person, except their Japan Inc., rightist cronies, should expect the LDP to have their welfare in mind.

That includes workers and LGBTQ who should stand as allies.

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KazukoHarmonyToday 07:16 am JST

"There can be no discrimination that is just," the group said in a statement this week, …

Women-only train carriages?

This just tells me you really, really want to ride in a crowded train carriage with women. That's not suss at all.

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girl_in_tokyoToday  07:58 am JST

KazukoHarmonyToday 07:16 am JST

"There can be no discrimination that is just," the group said in a statement this week, …

Women-only train carriages?

This just tells me you really, really want to ride in a crowded train carriage with women. That's not suss at all.

Expected that you think that

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How about anti discrimination laws for everyone- foreigners, women, elderly included

THIS!! Well said!

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Anyway this turnout is unfortunate but expected, as politicians would surely be afraid bills or law passed would be weaponized

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Japanese politicians specialize in vague an meaningless laws and resolutions because they do not know what to do and don't want to "lose face", since ancient times.

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girl_in_tokyoToday  07:58 am JST

This just tells me you really, really want to ride in a crowded train carriage with women. That's not suss at all.

It is “suss” for a woman to ride in a women-only train carriage?

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girl_in_tokyoToday  07:58 am JST

KazukoHarmonyToday 07:16 am JST

"There can be no discrimination that is just," the group said in a statement this week, …

Women-only train carriages?

This just tells me you really, really want to ride in a crowded train carriage with women. That's not suss at all.

This isn't just silly but downright malicious.

If the poster really wants that, there is no need to point out the existence of women-only carriages, the poster will just ride on the non-exclusive carriages

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Any decent reasonable person would think that the poster thinks there should be male-only carriages as well as a logical conclusion

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Back on topic please.

Just to comment on the quote " there can be no just discrimination" - this is ridiculous. There is plenty of just discrimination. I discriminate against grey strawberries and green meat. Blind people should not be airplane pilots. I can justify plenty of discrimination.

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Rightwing conservatives of all stripes around the world will eventually go the way of the hapless Neanderthals, but meanwhile, indulging their dismal, joyless view of life, they want to stop the clock of progress and drag the world with them back to the future. Democracy, human rights, equality of rights for women, freedoms to choose are all anathema to these frightened control freaks who are always especially exercised by the sexual lives of others. An egregious example of the baleful influence of their knee-jerk gaslighting is the setback of 70 years to research into psychotropic substances like LSD, psilocybin, MDMA and other chemical compounds that can relieve human suffering from depression, alcoholism and other mental afflictions. It is to be hoped that with the demise of these political dinosaurs a new age will dawn for mankind.

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I agree that the LGBTQ community should never face mistreatment of any kind. i also think they have the same legal rights as the rest of us.

They can legally marry a person of the opposite sex like the rest of us. If they don't want to they don't have to....like the rest of us.

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People should be able to marry the person they want to. Simple really.

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This legislation is written to be deliberately opaque, ambiguous, enigmatic.

However, proponents of the bill, including LDP lawmaker Tomomi Inada, hailed it as a "big step forward", according to public broadcaster NHK.

Here is a political air-raid-siren, Tomomi Inada has and never will support same sex marriage or ban/criminalize discrimination against the gay community.

Tomomi Inada supports a form of grudging tolerance, lenience, not seen however the ruling party understands there existence.

The LGBTQ campaigners, activists failure to influence, an understanding of how the wheels of change can work to there advantage.

Start with whispering in the ear of Tokyo Governor Yuriko Koike....

LGBT couples celebrate as Tokyo recognizes partnerships

https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14758626

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Concerned CitizenToday 12:00 pm JST

I agree that the LGBTQ community should never face mistreatment of any kind. i also think they have the same legal rights as the rest of us.

No, they do not:

They can legally marry a person of the opposite sex like the rest of us. If they don't want to they don't have to....like the rest of us.

You can marry your girlfriend and make her your wife. I can't marry my girlfriend and make her my wife - that is discrimination. Everyone should be able to marry the person they love - and I think you know quite well that same-sex marriage should be a right. Your issue is personal prejudice, which of course, it not at all a good argument.

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So bloody sick of the bigotry against LGBTQIA in Japan - and as the majority of Japanese are in favor, the government should get off its butt and do something right for a change and legalize same-sex marriage and stop discrimination.

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You know that people and governments can care about and work on more than one issue at a time, don't you?

Yes, but the government’s time and resources are finite. Government’s aren’t generally the best in terms of efficiency either.

Get the relatively simple stuff done ASAP.

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This new bill is not even needed because every citizen in Japan is already afforded equal rights under the constitution.

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Pathetic politicians and grumpy civil servants-no wonder Japan is on the decline

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Isn’t it still better than nothing? Why do they always complain? If they want exactly their own kind of laws then they have to become candidates for election, being elected by a majority and then in parliament they can try to find a voting majority for their laws. The rules are the same for everyone in a democracy, and I would really recommend that also this minority abides to that and tries it the normal official way like everyone else who wants something.

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Though some believe the LDP dinosaurs live in a world of loving kindness, I guess. (shaking head).

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Miyazawa is right, the majority can not be discriminated against. Why should normal people from which the norms in society are built have to listen to all these people talking about how oppressed they are? Japan has a duty to protect the future of their people. Why would they want to promote relations that would further contribute to the crisis of population?

@girlintokyo if you hate it so much why are you still here? You want a country to just throw all its values out of the window accommodate a miniscule % of the population. 

The problem with the LGBTQ community is they will never be satisfied. In America 10 years ago they asked for gay marriage, now they want to transition kids. The Japanese government sees what is happening and are being careful as they should. At no point in time should this behavior be promoted as admirable in society; is nuclear family is and thats how a race survives.

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As far as the agreement hungry LDP is concerned, this is a very difficult issue. All they care about is votes. They don't want to lose any and so they don't want to make waves. They are rather like a sapling in a high wind, bending this way and that.

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Really grateful for Rahm Emanuel and the rest of the Ambassadors in Japan helping raise awareness of this issue. As if it wasn't clear before, it's become even more evident to the electorate that the pressure to change Japan's culture is coming from outside forces for whom this is none of their business.

LDP Councillor Wada Masamune responded to the interference in domestic policy by tweeting, "If Ambassador Emanuel wants to use his position as U.S. Ambassador in any way to influence Japan, we will take immediate action to bring him home."

Japanese are fully capable of deciding what requires change and will do so at our own pace. The Prime Minister's sacrifice of an aide, who may or may not have already been on the way out, to advance the Hegelian Dialectic is not the proper foundation for discussing societal change.  

Four groups representing sexual minorities held a press conference last month calling any changes to laws unnecessary, and reported not having experienced discrimination as a result of their lifestyle choices. The updated wording of the bill reflects the changes they proposed to protect the private spaces that women use. 

No Japanese are as bigoted as the LDP speechwriter. And no Japanese uses Agence France-Presse for national news either. Who is reading this article?

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EastmanToday  01:16 pm JST

in this country basic law is japanese constitution.

The ban on same-sex marriage has been ruled constitutional multiple times and as recently as December 2022.

Modifying it would require the government proposing a constitutional amendment, passing it with 2/3 approval in the Diet and then holding a majority rules referendum within 180 days.

However, the government wants to make other amendments to the constitution (article 9, emergency measures, constitutional reform procedure etc) in addition to the same-sex issue and ONLY ONE can be proposed per round. All this has to happen before the next election cycle starts, so after all the inevitable deliberations and wrangling there's barely enough time left for even one amendment. 

Same-sex marriage may be the easiest to pass but it's also the least pressing. I am in favour of same-sex marriage but would put my own personal opinions aside and vote "no" in a referendum because any amendment means recognizing the legitimacy of the constitution, something no samurai can do. 

It's still possible to improve the rights of sexual minorities without trivializing the religious foundation of the country, which is what this is really about. 

Izanagi and Izanami, not Izanagi and Izanasteve.

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7thPatriarch

Four groups representing sexual minorities held a press conference last month calling any changes to laws unnecessary, and reported not having experienced discrimination as a result of their lifestyle choices. The updated wording of the bill reflects the changes they proposed to protect the private spaces that women use.

I appreciate your posts in their entirely but these points are what I found most interesting as well as the foreign interference part

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