LGBTQ groups, supporters rally in Tokyo for equal rights

Everyone should have the same rights. Humans are Humans..

I support the rights of all people to live equally under the eyes of society and the law. But I am definitely not in support of a lot of these types of rallies, with all the gaudy costumes, displays, and behavior. It's far worse in other countries though where behaviors best left not seen in public are displayed during these types of things.

100? Maybe a valid cause but 100 is not going to convince any oyaji to change anything.

Lawmaker Kazuo Yana was quoted as saying in a closed-door session that same-sex relationships “defy the preservation of the species, go against the biological basis.”

I can think of numerous policies of Japanese lawmakers that go against any basis in biology or science. Just go over the lists of articles on this news site. The many examples in the politics,crime or COVID-19/Olypics sections shouldn't be too hard to find.

One look at the photo and you can see why those sexual minority groups cannot expect much support from the general public.

EQUALITY NOW.

So this DJ in black underwear is defined as a queer?

Eriko Yamatani, known for her support of traditional gender roles, called it “ridiculous” that transgender people with male bodies say they have female hearts and want to use women’s restrooms or participate in women’s sports.

She's right. Also the thing in the lead photo is very disrespectful to women.

Equal rights for LGBTQs might send society down that proverbial slippery slope which has never sat well with those in positions of power who believe that equality is just a word in school. Who knows, if they let the genie out of the bottle and it gains unwanted attention from the public, what other disaffected elements in the populace might want a bigger slice of their pie?

It may have nothing to do with individual preferences but an activists’ up-thrusting fist and often confrontational demeanor, particularly toward most men, could perhaps be perceived as very threatening to others? Perhaps a more genial approach today, with dialogue would be more effective?

The key to a cohesive and prosperous society is to have strong families. Whilst I support people's rights to live their lives in the way they see fit, I see a progressive weakening of the family unit. This is detrimental.

There’s nothing offensive about it, is there? ‘Sorry’, @oldman _13 6:50am, you can’t pick and choose which parts of LGBTQ+ you may want to support:

“I support the rights..., But I am definitely not in support...all the gaudy costumes, displays, and ...where behaviors best left not seen in public are displayed during these types of things.” -

Judgmental or ‘selective support’ is not really accepted or wanted.

Everyone should have the same rights. Humans are Humans..

And the do have the same rights, if they go to a hospital they will be treated the same, if they go for a job interview they will have the same opportunity.

They just want constant attention and to revel in their victimhood. (Whilst wearing bondage clothing and dancing to techno music in shibuya in the daytime).

This issue is gonna need it’s own JT category if these “dozens” keep protesting.

Equal rights for LGBTQs might send society down that proverbial slippery slope 

https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Slippery-Slope.html

Nope.

They already have equal rights.

And the do have the same rights, if they go to a hospital they will be treated the same, if they go for a job interview they will have the same opportunity.

They just want constant attention and to revel in their victimhood. (Whilst wearing bondage clothing and dancing to techno music in shibuya in the daytime).

Thank you for claiming that discimination against the LGBT community doesn't exist and right after that openly discriminating against the LGBT community, thereby proving your first claim completely wrong and saving us all the need to do it.

I support the rights of all people to live equally under the eyes of society and the law. But I am definitely not in support of a lot of these types of rallies, with all the gaudy costumes, displays, and behavior. It's far worse in other countries though where behaviors best left not seen in public are displayed during these types of things.

I agree.

Support and awareness of sexual diversity has slowly grown in Japan

‘Sexual diversity’ isn’t the right term here. This term could apply to various sex acts by anyone. Diversity of sexual orientation recognized by society and its laws is the correct way to describe what these protesters want.

However it just is not necessary for homosexuals, bisexuals, and cross dressers to have laws specifically for them. Heterosexuals don’t either. The important thing is that no one in Japan will have you arrested for any sexual acts you have with any other consenting adult.

If any laws should change it is the law that requires the government to sanction marriage. Marriage should be privatized and marriage laws converted to a contract between the two (or more) parties. This action would completely eliminate any need for such protests or any future protests by those clever enough to create ever more future sexual orientations that are as yet unheard of.

I’m all for equal rights.

what I’m not for, is society pandering to these minority groups.

We can’t even address a group of people ‘ladies & gentlemen’ anymore, because someone is offended.

And don’t get me started on the whole toilet issue.

They need equality and anti-discrimination laws. If this comment section is any reflection of the attitudes of people in Japan, then there are a lot of stereotypes and misinformation out there. LGBTQ community members are often discriminated against, and need help and protection. You might not like their clothing, music, they way they dance or hold their hands, but that doesn't in any way make it ok to discriminate against them. If I met you in real life, I might not like your clothes, hair, hands, or way you dance but that doesn't give me the right to harass you so much you quit a job or say you go against a biological basis (as was mentioned in the article).

I notice how everyone who is against the equality bill nitpicks the people, and doesn't talk about the real problems they are facing. How is forced sterilization of trans people ok? How is denying them apartments or harrassment at work ok? If there are laws against sexual harrassment, pregnancy harrassment, disabled harrassment, and more why not add LGBTQ people?

Tomomi Inada, former Defence Minister, protege of Shinzo Abe and true believer of the Yasukuni Yushukan version of history, is a supporter of LGBT issues:

"“People asked me if I’d turned left-wing,” said Inada, an LDP executive and an adviser to Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. “It’s a tough situation for me, but I think it’s a human rights issue and nothing to do with being conservative or liberal."

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/03/21/national/politics-diplomacy/uphill-battle-ldp-lawmaker-fights-lgbt-rights-japan/

Akie Abe herself, once honorary principal and keen supporter of Moritomo Gakuen, the failed ultra-nationalist private junior school in Osaka, is a firm supporter of LGBT issues too.

It's interesting that such leading female figures of the right in Japan regard LGBT rights as human rights. Of course you have nuts like Yamatani and Mio Sugita too, but they're just unhinged.

They already exist @FizzBit 8:08am:

- “This ‘issue’ is gonna need it’s own JT category if these “dozens” keep protesting.” -

These ‘ongoing issues’ are routinely featured and re-visited, *sometimes bi-weekly, in either the “National” or “Politics” *sections.

Meiyouwenti

One look at the photo and you can see why those sexual minority groups cannot expect much support from the general public.

Judging an entire group of people from one photograph is simplistic stereotyping.

Perhaps if news services were more interested in facts and less interested in sensationalism, people would understand that the vast majority of LGBTIQ+ people are just like everyone else.

The slippery slope often comes true though

No, it doesn't. Countries were same-sex marriage was allowed did not then go on to authorize marriage between siblings or human and animals. And they never will. The absolute vast majority of people who smoke marijuana do not then go on to become heroin addicts. And they never will. The slippery slope argument is a laughable fallacy.

tooheysnew

I’m all for equal rights.

what I’m not for, is society pandering to these minority groups.

Sooo .... you're "all for equal rights" as long as it's only for the majority?

.... and the people you personally approve of?

Riiiiiight!!!

Wolfpack

However it just is not necessary for homosexuals, bisexuals, and cross dressers to have laws specifically for them.

So ... you think it's OK for Gay people to be fired from their jobs? Or evicted from their apartments? Or harassed in the street?

They don't need to be protected from discrimination?

Try changing the word "Gay" to the word "Asian" and see if you still feel the same way.

LGBTQ? What ever happened to the "I" and who knows what after the "Q".

@tooheysnew said it below, but I too am AGAINST society pandering to minorities.

Understandable @tooheysnew 8:40am:

- “I’m all for equal rights. what I’m not for, is society pandering to these minority groups. And don’t get me started on the whole toilet issue.” -

Are you stating the ‘pandering’ you’re refer to, may be perceived, by some, as ‘selective in it’s administration’, appearing to favor only certain groups?

- “We can’t even address a group of people ‘ladies & gentlemen’ anymore, because someone is offended.” -

Not to worry. There’s any alternative. The LGBTQ+ community has agreed and endorses “Folks” as an acceptable, general, non-specific term to address any ‘group of people’.

While I support everyones right to live as they see fit, it's kind of difficult to know exactly what they are protesting about. LGBTQ people are treated well in Japan, and you never hear about them being beaten up or murdered as happens in the West. Or summarily executed as they are in totalitarian states like Russia. Japan has always been a tolerant and accepting place for LGBTQ people.

Plus, Im not sure the timing is right to hold a gathering/dance party in the middle of a pandemic.

old man:

I support the rights of all people to live equally under the eyes of society and the law. But I am definitely not in support of a lot of these types of rallies, with all the gaudy costumes, displays, and behavior. It's far worse in other countries though where behaviors best left not seen in public are displayed during these types of things.

I suspected you'd have no problems with bikinis, and women's boobs and bums wobbling about during carnival season.

Turning up dressed like cartoon character prostitutes is probably not the best way to get people to take you seriously. Those who still believe that the LGBT community are degenerate perverts will only have their views confirmed.

Homophobia in Japan runs deeper than most people realize or acknowledge.

I have personally seen slurs hurled on people who were openly gay, all because someone disagreed with them on a work issue. And all those who criticize how people dress as such rallies, that is the only way someone will take notice!!!

Perhaps these seem are somewhat inconsistent @OlympicSupport 9:19am?:

- “Everyone should have the same rights. Humans are Humans.” -

So, why demand this?:

- “All these posters complaining about Japan. If you don't like it, get out and go back home!

The rights for Everyone’s individual, personal opinions and their freedom to express them,

…Even if they can’t agree with every point about a broad issue, “seems fair”, doesn’t it?

So, how about a demonstration of ‘tolerance and acceptance of Everyone’, regardless of their own personal preferences and individual opinions?

"I'm for equality but (insert statement showing that you're against equality)"

If you don't like how they dress or look, just move on and get on with your day. So far, most LGBTQ people (and other minorities) don't have that luxury in most parts of the world.

*“Equal Rights are All” *can only be achieved through demonstrating “Equal Rights for All” @girl_in_tokyo 9:08am:

-“…when, are you going to finally deal with the bigoted troll this page? I'm guessing you won't, because look at them - they're fully 80% of the posters here. If you deleted their posts, not only would they whine incessantly about "censorship" there'd hardly be anyone left to post. Can't have that, can we.[?]” -

Exaggerating circumstances, asking, begging, demanding for censorship of others opinions is a form of censorship as well.

Frankly, it makes the LGBTQ+ look ‘weak’.

@Fighto!

Just because they aren't treated as badly in other countries doesn't they don't have discrimination and problems. For example, trans-people are forced to be sterilized before they transition. As was mentioned in the article, people are harassed at work and school to the point where they don't feel comfortable going and stop. I personally have known at least 4 gay couples who have left Japan (Japanese and foreigner couples) permanently because they can't live their lives openly. I know woman whose son is half and gay, and he dropped out of high school because of it. People need anti-discrimination laws to protect them, even if it isn't as extreme as Russia or Indonesia.

Also, just because you don't see it everyday and it's not in your face, doesn't mean it's not happening. Especially in Japan where the pressure to conform is immense, and subtlety is everything. There are many things and nuances and subtlety in Japan that go over my head, but for Japanese people it is like very loud and obvious. If you were getting harassed everyday and no one cared, you might quit your job and protest in the streets too. Don't judge people unless you've walked in their shoes.

This seems to be more propaganda than equal right gathering, are they mistreated in Japan ?

I think these groups feel guilty for what they have chosen.

They already tried to go the governmental route. They had meetings, submitted bills, the bills were edited, there were discriminatory and prejudged remarks made, the bills were edited again, more meetings, and the LDP said they will shelve decisions until after the Olympics. However, everyone knows that once the international eyes are off Japan after the Olympics, the bill will most likely be shelved indefinitely and it will be harder and slower to make progress. And, also how many meetings and edits to a bill do you need to give people basic civil rights.

So, if they don't make progress with the government in a more formalized way, then people will go into the streets. You might not like it, but it is just one more way to put pressure onto the LDP to actually do something simple, such as passing anti-discrimination laws.

Thank you for being a ‘voice of reason’ @Howaitosan 9:07am, and addressing this with a more practical approach:

- @Meiyouwenti 7:38am: “One look at the photo and you can see why those sexual minority groups cannot expect much support from the general public.- @ @Howaitosan 9:07am: “Judging an entire group of people from one photograph is simplistic stereotyping. Perhaps if news services were more interested in facts and less interested in sensationalism, people would understand that the vast majority of LGBTIQ+ people are just like everyone else.” -

While others, @girt_in_Tokyo, claim it’s the only way to get the attention to LGBTQ+ issue they feel is necessary.

Or worse, try to ‘bait’ other’s, (even those somewhat supportive) into arguments by questioning the other commenters’ personal sexuality?

Isn’t that the kind of discrimination and judgment the LGBTQ+ community is trying to challenge and change?

100? Maybe a valid cause but 100 is not going to convince any oyaji to change anything.

This issue is gonna need it’s own JT category if these “dozens” keep protesting.

I was at an LGBTQ matsuri in Osaka back in Autumn 2019, before the unchi hit the fan, and there were thousands of people present.

Perhaps they will have one again this Autumn if the vax rollout keeps ramping up. If so, my wife and I will happily attend again.

Supporting a good cause AND matsuri food??? Win-win.

Don’t you feel @Jsapc 9:45am, that this is accusatory:

- “Isn't it funny how most people who rave and rant about the LGBT community destroying society are in most cases closeted homosexuals themselves?

Perhaps it may seems somewhat ‘hypocritical’ to attempt to “Out” others through intimidation and ‘judge others’ based on, what reads like, past personal and ‘subjective experiences”.

*- “ I'm not saying they all are, just that it very often turns out that they are.” *

All of this appears to be a form of verbal ‘bullying of others’ that don’t see the world in the same way and, discriminatory in it’s own way, don’t you agree?

It just appears disingenuous, ‘intolerant’ and counterproductive to the mantra “Acceptance of others, As They Are”.

Boku Dayo

LGBTQ? What ever happened to the "I" and who knows what after the "Q".

Nothing happened to them; they're still here, just like they have been for all of Human history.

@tooheysnew said it below, but I too am AGAINST society pandering to minorities.

Well isn't it fortunate for you that you don't belong to one.

Personally, I have never been able to understand why so many people seem to be utterly terrified of the LGBTIQ+ Community.

Frankly, I hope I can never understand such unreasoning, irrational fear.

terrified of the LGBTIQ+ Community.

Its lgbtiq+p.

Its discrimination if you don't add the p

Mostly variants of the same arguments as all the other articles.

If I were a member of the pride group looking to enact equal marriage rights, I would push for a modernization of the household recognition system that brings it inline with the My Number system. This way any 2 numbers who wish to form a partnership are allowed to.

As for discrimination and harassment, it would be best to invest in having pride members become heavily involved in Human Resources departments directly as company members, not diversity consultants. Doing so would tone down the extremest on all sides as well as work towards compromises that would be feasible.

Unfortunately, it will take time and people would need to be patient and work through a system before changing it....Something that most people are able to do.

Oh look, the "equal but different" attention-seeking disorder has spread to Japan. Yawwwwwnnnn.

“Apologies” for that erroneous reference @girl. @10:35 is attributed to @ulysses 9:41am:

“And all those who criticize how people dress as such rallies, that is the only way someone will take notice!!!” -

It’s self-expression of their creativity and harmless to others. However, in regards to societal issues, there may be more practical ways to garner support: public speeches, flyers, posters, marches, volunteering in the community, taking legal actions, entering politics and seeking a position in government?

“Homophobia in Japan runs deeper than most people realize or acknowledge. I have personally seen slurs hurled on people who were openly gay, all because someone disagreed with them on a work issue.

That’s unfortunate. Hope you supported them at ‘Human Resources’ and their follow up with taking legal action if it was not resolved quickly and fairly.

I lived in what is probably the most gay-friendly place in the UK, and worked with openly gay people, so I’m obviously going to side with the more tolerant types on here.

The issue with Japan isn’t so much going to be overt violence against gay people. I think the major issue in making progress is going to be the same as for any other issue: a meeting is held to decide on a committee, who will have a meeting to decide who is the head of the committee, followed by another meeting to confirm the vote of the previous meeting. There will then be exploratory meetings to determine if there should be meetings to start discussing the issue, assuming anyone remembers what the issue is by that point.

So what is your suggestion all those typical Japanese Ryokan places should do about men/women Onsen

when Oyaji cross-dressing steps into women bath?

Howaitosan

Personally, I have never been able to understand why so many people seem to be utterly terrified of the LGBTIQ+ Community.

Frankly, I hope I can never understand such unreasoning, irrational fear.

On the contrary, if we were to understand their unreasoning, irrational fear, perhaps we could do something to cure it.

@Jsapc

Equal rights for LGBTQs might send society down that proverbial slippery slope 

https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Slippery-Slope.html

Nope.

I do not understand the point of your message. How is your link to provide any evidence that

those in positions of power who believe that equality is just a word in school.

are not believing that

other disaffected elements in the populace might want a bigger slice of their pie?

Thus request equality, like the same rules applied from the people at the top to the people at the bottom, ...

So what is your suggestion all those typical Japanese Ryokan places should do about men/women Onsen

when Oyaji cross-dressing steps into women bath?

Perhaps they should concentrate on primary, major issues such as marriage equality and workplace harassment first, before moving onto such secondary issues.

@howaitosan

you're "all for equal rights" as long as it's only for the majority?

yep, majority rules baby !

Am I correct LGBTQ+ all stand for sexual minority with their own sexual orientation? Is there any letters in there where pedophile can fit to demand equal rights? How should young mother deal with them?

Perhaps they should concentrate on primary, major issues such as marriage equality and workplace harassment first, before moving onto such secondary issues.

Thanks . Didn't it happen recently? There's actually Oyaji wearing wig relaxing in women bath shocked other customers, who confessed (?? or excused himself or herself ) he or she was a mentally woman.

I think if the J-gov encouraged people to be better prepared for disasters or food shortages

Why are you promoting the rights of rapists? Are you broken?

You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection. A man. Male. All your pores smell like a male, all of your hairs and sweaty armpit pores are MALE and look/feel/smell like it. No amount of perfume will fix that.

All of the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you and laugh at how grotesque you are. Your parents, deep down, are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors, and strangers try not to make eye contact with what their genetics tell them is an abomination (you).

Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected orifice that's filled with rotting flesh, dried cum, infection puss and old blood that you try to pass off as a sex organ.

You will never be happy. You force out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight. That's thousands upon thousands of years of your ancestry calling out to you to change your ways, hoping you won't bring their legacy to a halt with your genetic dead-end of a philosophy you've been infected with.

also this

Men are utterly repulsed by you.

I mean, reality begs to differ. Many men do and are happy to sleep with trans women.

Although I'd bet some of them are just self-hating at not being able to admit what they like. So they're not utterly repulsed by the trans women, they're utterly repulsed by themselves for being attracted to them.

Walked past it coincidentally and it honestly looked more just like an outside club party (with a couple 'no-mask' people) rather than a rally demanding equal rights....

There is no such thing as rights. Just google Japanese Americans 1942, then you'll learn all about your precious rights. You may only have temporary privileges depending on where you are from and where you are. But absolutely no such thing as rights.

Peculiar, isn't it, that for all talk of diversity, LGBTQI activists all dress in the same gaudy manner - like Tarzan, who, having found Jane's handbag, decides to eat her lipstick. We are told that male and female are "spectrums" and that anything goes and yet the aparrel, costumes, manner and general appearance of LGBTQI activists is about as diverse as the ubiquitous McDonald's arches.

Poignant point mate. It honestly made me reconsider everything I believe, and now I'm on your side that not only do LGBTQ not deserve equal rights, they deserve derision due to their offensive fashion choices.

@Bungle

Peculiar, isn't it, that for all talk of diversity, LGBTQI activists all dress in the same gaudy manner - like Tarzan, who, having found Jane's handbag, decides to eat her lipstick. We are told that male and female are "spectrums" and that anything goes and yet the aparrel, costumes, manner and general appearance of LGBTQI activists is about as diverse as the ubiquitous McDonald's arches.

It’s a little peculiar that you care. Perhaps you would like a dress code?