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N Korea willing to talk with Japan, but claims abduction issue resolved

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Not resolved. But perhaps unresolvable

11 ( +14 / -3 )

Can it ever really be resolved? Ask the families and loved ones of those NK kidnapped.

7 ( +8 / -1 )

Never trust little kim.

10 ( +11 / -1 )

Can it ever really be resolved? Ask the families and loved ones of those ...

-whose family members were killed by B29 bomber planes in Japan and North Korea, not to mention those who were napalmed in North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, etc.

-whose family members were forcibly conscripted into the Japanese military during WWII

-whose family members died while being used as slave labor by the Jpn govt during WWII

-whose family members were tricked into becoming comfort women for the Jpn military

Etc. Etc.

-13 ( +6 / -19 )

Ah, when the shoe is on the other foot! Many times Japan has said they are willing to talk business with neighbors but issues of history or island disputes have been resolved. Doh!

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N Korea willing to talk with Japan, but claims abduction issue resolved

It wont be resolved until every Japanese is accounted for.

-2 ( +6 / -8 )

Ah, when the shoe is on the other foot!

Yes plain as day.

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"North Korea is willing to hold talks with Japan if they are not confined to the abduction issue that Pyongyang claims has been resolved, the country's state media reported Monday."

This is the exact same thing Japan tells South Korea regarding Japans' role in the war [with South Korea.]

Tokyo claims everything has been resolved. Same!

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it does not matter if issue will be solved or not at this stage is important that both sides will start talk.

lets start with talk,discussion,negotiation,try to lower tension between two nations,than go slowly to abduction issues.

good luck with that.

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Ah, when the shoe is on the other foot!

Yes plain as day.

Agree with you both

The hypocrisy is ridiculous.

-16 ( +4 / -20 )

They have lived there so long they are naturalized citizens. Nothing for them here apart from sensational news stories.

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

They have lived there so long they are naturalized citizens. Nothing for them here apart from sensational news stories.

Rodney, give the families a phone call, AND TELL THEM EXACTLY THAT. Then have a chat with them having a son or a daughter one day and then gone the next. Their plight then turned into a political pawn, that can never be resolved, despite the most powerful leaders in the world all expressing their sympathy and 'promising' to do what they can.

The lack of empathy is astounding mate.

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LegrandeToday  08:44 am JST

Can it ever really be resolved? Ask the families and loved ones of those ...

-whose family members were killed by B29 bomber planes in Japan and North Korea, not to mention those who were napalmed in North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, etc.

-whose family members were forcibly conscripted into the Japanese military during WWII

-whose family members died while being used as slave labor by the Jpn govt during WWII

-whose family members were tricked into becoming comfort women for the Jpn military

Etc. Etc.

You are citing events during wartime.

The Japanese were abducted when there was no state of war between Japan and the DPRK. The over 400 South Koreans who have been abducted were taken after 1951 when there was a Truce in place between SK and NK.

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The sudden readiness for talks obviously comes from the JP announcement to shoot on all incoming flying objects from now on. And they surely have those already announced intentions in NK to further test missiles and to bring spy or military use satellites into orbit. They surely don’t want that interrupted and might think the cheapest way is offering only some talking , even if it’s of no real use or problem solving.

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Ah, when the shoe is on the other foot! Many times Japan has said they are willing to talk business with neighbors but issues of history or island disputes have been resolved. Doh!

Where and when did the treaty/agreement which had finally and completely resolved this issue and stated as such ever be concluded between Japan and Kim dynasty ? IDIOT.

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Another thing to bear in mind when this issue is invariably brought up and all the blame cast on North Korea-

Japan under then-Prime Minister Shinzo Abe rejected a North Korean proposal to return two Japanese men, including a victim of abductions by Pyongyang, in around 2014 and 2015, sources involved in the negotiations have revealed.

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LegrandeToday  08:44 am JST

Can it ever really be resolved? Ask the families and loved ones of those ...

-whose family members were killed by B29 bomber planes in Japan and North Korea, not to mention those who were napalmed in North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, etc.

-whose family members were forcibly conscripted into the Japanese military during WWII

-whose family members died while being used as slave labor by the Jpn govt during WWII

-whose family members were tricked into becoming comfort women for the Jpn military

Etc. Etc.

You are citing events during wartime.

The Japanese were abducted when there was no state of war between Japan and the DPRK. The over 400 South Koreans who have been abducted were taken after 1951 when there was a Truce in place between SK and NK.

A state of war doesn't excuse the actions of Japan, the US, or anyone.

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Japan under then-Prime Minister Shinzo Abe rejected a North Korean proposal to return two Japanese men, including a victim of abductions by Pyongyang, in around 2014 and 2015, sources involved in the negotiations have revealed.

Source please. Regardless, it just proves NK has been brazenly lying through the course of 21 year history of negotiations between two nations about this issue ......only if you know what it has been like.

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Japan under then-Prime Minister Shinzo Abe rejected a North Korean proposal to return two Japanese men, including a victim of abductions by Pyongyang, in around 2014 and 2015, sources involved in the negotiations have revealed.

Source please. Regardless, it just proves NK has been brazenly lying through the course of 21 year history of negotiations between two nations about this issue ......only if you know what it has been like.

Here is the source

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/09/17/national/politics-diplomacy/shinzo-abe-north-korea-abductees-proposal/

Shows that the Japanese government has also been lying when it says it has been doing everything within its power to get abductees back, and that it is also false to unilaterally blame the North....100% proof positive and too inconvenient for most people to handle.

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Shows that the Japanese government has also been lying when it says it has been doing everything within its power to get abductees back, and that it is also false to unilaterally blame the North....100% proof positive and too inconvenient for most people to handle.

No. it says it has been doing everything within its power to get ALL abductees back. Hence, it would NO WAY let the North to formally end the entire issue halfway like that if Japan by accepting the one whom NK had been lying as already dead, and the other who was not even on the official 17 victims-list, the 100% proof positive that North had been hiding and lying about the facts. Stop quibbling on insignificant detail no matter how you want to blame and hate Japan.

The government of Abe, who served as prime minister from 2006 to 2007 and again for eight years through 2020, rejected North Korea's proposal on the grounds that accepting it would allow Pyongyang to terminate negotiations on the abduction issue, the sources said.

There was also concern that the two men could go back to North Korea soon even if they returned to their home country, as they might have been unwilling to settle down in Japan, the sources added.

"We thought it was an unacceptable proposal," one of the sources said.

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2022/09/150180c70ba1-japans-abe-rejected-n-korea-proposal-on-abductees-return.html?phrase=university%20of%20yokohama%27words=Yokohama,University,university%27s&words=

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

By returning these seemingly totally brainwashed Japanese for short home-coming stay, It is obvious NK tried to force Japan to jointly declare that the issue has been completely and finally solved . NO WAY Japan could be fooled by such cheap trap.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

By returning these seemingly totally brainwashed Japanese for short home-coming stay,...

Yes of course you were able to confirm they were in fact 'totally brainwashed' and so do not appear to be making wild assumptions in support of Abe's actions, even though we now know that Abe was in fact helping a South Korean Christian cult that brainwashed Japanese citizens and bilked them out of their life savings...as I said the facts are too inconvenient for a lot of people.

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moonbloomMay 30  05:37 pm JST

You are citing events during wartime.

The Japanese were abducted when there was no state of war between Japan and the DPRK. The over 400 South Koreans who have been abducted were taken after 1951 when there was a Truce in place between SK and NK.

A state of war doesn't excuse the actions of Japan, the US, or anyone.

No one is excusing anything. Just pointing out that actions taken by one country against another during wartime and non-wartime are not comparable. Guess it went over your head.

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Yes of course you were able to confirm they were in fact 'totally brainwashed' and so do not appear to be making wild assumptions in support of Abe's actions, even though we now know that Abe was in fact helping a South Korean Christian cult that brainwashed Japanese citizens and bilked them out of their life savings...as I said the facts are too inconvenient for a lot of people.

Abe's action? It must have been anyone else's action regardless of who in LDP or even in other major oppositions ( excluding the North flavored ones) . Too obvious NK pigs demanded to end this issue finally and completely and irreversibly for free aids by letting these two visit here for short home coming stay. Well DONE ABE!!!

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

Yes WELL DONE Abe you deprived two families from being reunited with their loved ones lol

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

Yes WELL DONE Abe you deprived two families from being reunited with their loved ones lol

Which families got deprived from being reunited with these two Minoru Tanaka and Tastumitsu Kaneda, a Zainichi KOREAN? Nobody. These two grown up in the same nursing home , worked in the same noodle shop were targeted by NK spy as no families. SURE it must have been the hardest decision between get two for just while and lose al else or give the two up and keep hope to get them all... yet it is so idiotic to try to transfer any inch of the cause of these inhumane incidents to be severely blamed back to Japan from NK by this decision.

WELL DONE ABE!

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[ Which families got deprived from being reunited with these two Minoru Tanaka and Tastumitsu Kaneda, a Zainichi KOREAN? Nobody. ]

Wrong again-

*Tanaka was a restaurant worker when he left Japan in 1978 from Tokyo's Narita Airport. After leaving the country, Tanaka disappeared and his relatives were unable to reach him *

And regarding Kaneda, yes I suppose because he's a Zainichi KOREAN that he doesn't matter, right?

Additionally, you conveniently avoided mentioning the fact that Abe was afraid that both men would opt to return to the North, which is the real reason Abe decided to reject the North's offer and kept a lid on this information.

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LegrandeToday  02:30 pm JST

[ Which families got deprived from being reunited with these two Minoru Tanaka and Tastumitsu Kaneda, a Zainichi KOREAN? Nobody. ]

Wrong again-

Tanaka was a restaurant worker when he left Japan in 1978 from Tokyo's Narita Airport. After leaving the country, Tanaka disappeared and his relatives were unable to reach him

So what on earth have his relatives been saying about him since 1978 ???? Who the heck are they? Did they ever show up or have they ever cooperated with other members of AFVKN? Oh wait, what about her mother who dumped him at nursing home or even his father ? Who did he intend to meet at reunion party then? any info?

And regarding Kaneda, yes I suppose because he's a Zainichi KOREAN that he doesn't matter, right?

It does matter if he returned to his home peninsula unintentionally this way as notorious North Korea's returning campaign by Man Gyong Bong 92 was still going on those days. Do you get what I mean?

So what about his family and relatives information? anything?

NK had taken them over there as it knew they both didn't have any families and so decided then to return them for short home coming ceremony.

Additionally, you conveniently avoided mentioning the fact that Abe was afraid that both men would opt to return to the North, which is the real reason Abe decided to reject the North's offer and kept a lid on this information.

It just doesn't matter. What matters here is It was not that Abe rejected these two, but was the NK trap that he rejected to end this issue by this cheap show which intended to force Japan to give up all others.

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

Legnade

Whatever, regardless, how could Abe's decision in 2014/15 would make think it is not fair to unilaterally blame NK Huh?

0 ( +1 / -1 )

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