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No. of Japanese living in China drops 10% amid island dispute

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Go to Taiwan.

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The grass is greener in ASEAN

literally, it's to do with less air pollution.

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I agree with bruinfan and NeoJamal: ASEAN, Taiwan (and india) are greener and you are protected by a regime of laws

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From my point of view, if Abe continues his road and reject to back down on island dispute , the military showdown is inevitable ahead of next 20 years.

So, lets prepare the worst scenario to happen, there is only one dominator in history of East Asia, as an old saying goes:" one mountain can not hold two tigers".

that's like old Britain and new American fight for new empire hundred years ago.

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The latest PEW institute world attitude survey shows more than 90% of Japanese dislike Chinese.

I have read the report and this was not a question in the report, nor did the report make this conclusion.

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So, what's the turning point? the backdown and showdown will dangerously stimulated when the day of Fiasco of Abenomics.

The Abenomics will 100% become a Fiasco, the desperate leader of Japanese then will face two roads ahead, backdown or showdown.

As I have commented before, Japan can continue stand out in Asia by structure reform, but this job will erode the vested interest of enterprise and government, such as introduce woman as leadership will certainly boycotted by man-controlled board.

Creation and innovation is also critical for Japan to win on the crowded world, resources will become more and more scarce, China, India and other growing countries will scavenge the Earth by bloated wealth, so, Japan will find it's much harder to obtain necessary resources as before.

In that case, creation and innovation is really a surviving tools in the competitive jungles.

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@ChinaDragon: "So, lets prepare the worst scenario to happen, there is only one dominator in history of East Asia, as an old saying goes:" one mountain can not hold two tigers".

The only tiger in Asia is USA.

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I have a Japanese friend with a trading company in China. He raves about how much he likes it there, But just to be safe, he tells strangers he's Korean, and also has a bodyguard. 安全第一

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Although political matter is one of the reason related, the direct reason to why Japanese living in China had dropped is the result of drop of FDI as written within the business section.

Basically many business is losing interest in investing in PRC due to various reasons besides political affairs.

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RecklessAUG. 19, 2014 - 10:11AM JST @ChinaDragon: "So, lets prepare the worst scenario to happen, there is only one dominator in history of East Asia, as an old saying goes:" one mountain can not hold two tigers".

The only tiger in Asia is USA.

There isn't two tigers in Asia; Japan is only a watch-dog, USA a paper tiger.

Time will prove who will be the real tiger in East Asia(world), if that would not be China.

Predicting China fall has failed for decades. Asian likes to have peace leads by the Asian, not the outsider.

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No surprise there.

Of course, already the anti Japan crowd blames Japanese/Japan for this.

Really, I don't blame them, who knows when there will be another pointless riot targeting innocent Japanese civilians (which the world never properly calls out, hate crimes against Japanese civilians).

And then people continue to stereotype Japanese as the bigoted, xenophobic ones. By comparison, no Chinese civilians in Japan are in danger of being assaulted.

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the funniest thing is the article didn't say not only did Japanese not want to live in China nor does the Chinese thats why they are leaving

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Better get out there before that hell hole collapses.

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It's directly related to Japan's shrinking business activities whether at home or abroad. Most of them are there for business, as such we may see further decline in 2014 and onward.

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China is going to see a decline of foreigners investing/living there over time, due to dangerous pollution, suspect food/water, deteriorating business opportunities & the BS that often accompanies working there.

The real estate bubble is going to be a massive POP! And it will get ugly, best not to be around when that one really goes!

The Chinese govt is terrified of its own people & does anything & everything to keep them focused on things like Japan, rather than to have them focus on Chinese corruption etc.............I wonder how much longer they can hold out!

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I wonder what will happen to Japan then if relations continue to freeze.

It's not Japan that is freezing the relation. What willl happen to Japan is just shifting its investment to somewhere else.

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Six Japanese long term residents returned from China I know, and none of them said that the political situation presented problems. It was the environment. They said, independently, that the political affairs never influenced personal relationships with Chinese people.

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@sanyuyulai Glad you agree China isn't even a paper tiger. How long ago was it that China hasn't had it's affairs decided by outsiders?

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Now if 10% of Japanese companies would bring production back to Japan from China.....naw, probably won't happen.

How long ago was it that China hasn't had it's affairs decided by outsiders?

About 70 years. More time than since the occupation of Germany and Japan ended. Yet both those countries are responsible world leaders, while China uses the excuse of "foreign meddling" to justify it's own expansionist policies.

Nationalism run amok.

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Who'd want to live there anyway?

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They cleaned up the air in Beijing for the Olympics, by shutting down factories temporarily and putting cars on 1-day-on-1-day-off schedule (by even/odd license plate numbers).

If they did it then, they could do it now.

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Japanese business influence in China has start to decline. Trade between China and Japan has been decreasing for the past three years. Japan is always a convenient target for the Chinese government to use to divert domestic anger and Japanese firms’ space in China could be limited in the future. Compared to the political values, the trade values with Japan are secondary. China would be willing to accept substantial reduction in trade with Japan before it would back down. Japan has tol increase its investment in Vietnam and other economies and they will accelerate their strategy of diversifying investments to the rest of Asia. However, it’s hard for Japanese exports to move totally away from China and it’s hard for Chinese OEMs to move totally away from Japanese components.

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sfjp330, “trade between Japan and China is expected to grow this year for the first time in three years, but won't likely reach the level before a territorial dispute erupted in 2012. Japanese exports to China grew 2.5% to $78 billion in the first half of 2014 from the same period a year earlier, according to Jetro.” I don’t know how you would get the idea that “the trade values with Japan are secondary,” when it comes to “money” everything else is secondary for China. Japanese corporations have lost their market shares in China because of their own bad choices. Yes, diversification is good in the long run, but to re-focus away from growing Chinese markets now is a bad decision that Japan Inc has made.

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flowersAug. 20, 2014 - 05:14AM JST “trade between Japan and China is expected to grow this year for the first time in three years, but won't likely reach the level before a territorial dispute erupted in 2012. Japanese exports to China grew 2.5% to $78 billion in the first half of 2014 from the same period a year earlier,

You know the reason right? It's just illusion by Japan printing more money and making yen weaker. The exchange rate from two years ago was around 80 yen per dollar, and now it's around 102 yen per dollar. It just make Japan export cheaper.

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@sfjp330 what you are describing is protectionism. Why was China allowed in the WTO if it was going to act like this?

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Move to Vietnam. People there respect the Japanese far more than the Chinese.

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Not just Vietnam but also to Myanmar and Laos. Both nations would appreciate it since currently they are dominated by PRC investments and are forced to act as proxies at ASEAN meetings.

With investment injected by other nations they will become more independent economically. The two nations are also very much important in developing the Trans South Asian railroad going through Myanmar, Thailand, Laos and Vietnam which can be used as a bypass of the Strait of Malacca which is becoming overly congested with more traffic expected in the future.

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Japanese aren't safe in China (or Korea for that matter) period.

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Japanese are safe in China and Korea. You can't name one Japanese getting hurt or killed due to nationalistic hatred, territorial dispute or historical grievances.

Not one. Media and the Neo-Nationalists like to produce mass hysteria and hype up news. Ask the Japanese living in China and Korea, business as usual.

But you can name one that just got beheaded in Iraq.

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highball7 some Japanese have been arrested over doubtfull charges in the two countries. Some executed.

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@highball7 you are too funny, the 2012 riots in China where some Japanese folks got injured is a good example. Just Google it, plenty of other examples. Japanese aren't safe there period.

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"The drop comes after successive yearly population increases in a country that is a crucial economic partner for Tokyo"

China doesn't need any population increases.

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luvjpfam,

I did google it. Those "japanese folks" who are "japanese restaurants owners" were in fact "local Chinese" who owned Japanese themed restaurants.

The only folks that were hurt were Chinese businesses and local Chinese. The two Japanese salary that were beaten were because they were drunk and started causing problems. They even admitted it after.

So again, NAME me ONE single Japanese that was either killed or injured SPECIFICALLY due to the 2012 riot. If you can post any legitimate link, I will donate money to your favorite charity.

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