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Noda to meet Okinawa governor to discuss Futenma base move

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AuntyAmerikan,

What are you even talking about? First, the US military has nothing to do with crowd control outside the bases in Japan, absolutely nothing. Neither Okinawa nor Japan are war zones.

If Japan asked the US military to leave, they would leave. The Philippines asked them to leave and they did. Same deal. However, the Japanese public and Japan itself is not actually prepared for such a thing. Do you think they would support a draft to set up a military force strength needed to replace the Americans? They would not. Would they support the financial outlay that would be needed to do this? They would not. These are issue, however, that will need to be addressed someday, because one day the US military will leave Japan. Hopefully, Japan is ready for that when they do.

Ultimately this is the only language that government will understand.

If you are trying to get the central government to really understand, attempt to bring the protest to them. Protesting in front of the bases will not get the message across nearly as well as bringing that message to Tokyo.

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YuriOtani

Any violence done to the protestors but Americans will result in all of the Americans kicked out.

Yuri, though I share some of your sentiments, if you think the Americans are going anywhere soon, even in the event of killing Okinawans, you are sadly mistaken.

You should know by now that the USA kills without guilt or reason and the central Japanese governements fear of the USA (mainly dipolomatic) prevents any move towards normalising what is a terrible burden for Okinawa.

What is needed is large-scale, organised protests over a long time period around the bases. Okinawans are voters, remember that. Ultimately this is the only language that government will understand.

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That does not change the fact that the central government's actions are legal and have been ruled to be so by the supreme court.

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my friend the Japanese are using national law to oppress the people of Okinawa.

Perhaps. However, within Japanese national laws, it is legal. You can keep saying you don't like it, but until the laws are changed in some way to make it illegal, it is legal. There are plenty of laws that people don't agree with. I understand what you are saying about Okinawa's burden being unfair. That does change the fact that the central government's actions are legal and have been ruled to be so by the supreme court.

As to police reaction: it depends on the protests and how much disruption they cause. Narita Airport got built despite violent protests. Protests are one thing, but I don't think going against the local police and expecting them to look the other way is a wise course of action.

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Ben my friend the Japanese are using national law to oppress the people of Okinawa. The police might clear them but my guess is will not. Why would they not do it? well to avoid violence, injury and death. However you keep saying national law, now national law favors the Okinawa government. The law would have to be changed another Okinawa only law. Another law imposing on Okinawa what they refuse to do to themselves.

At this time the path to building the airfield is blocked and again it is by national law. Noda is coming down to persuade the Okinawa people to accept another burden. We already know the answer and it is NO!

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Yuri,

I never said the supreme court ruling made it right. Look at my post above. I only said it was legal. Your prediction about the police not dispersing protestors will not be true IMO. They have to follow the law, especially police. Are you suggesting each prefecture can now ignore national law? Unless there is a major change in the Japanese legal system, that is not going to happen. Besides, who wants to live in a country where each person gets to decide which laws they need to follow and which they don't?

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Ben_Jackinoff, again you can make a special Okinawa only law and dump all of the waste in Okinawa. About if Okinawa remains part of Japan, it is not yours or any other foreigners decision. All Okinawa is asking for is the same level of respect the other prefectures receive.Just because the Supreme court makes a ruling does not make it right. My prediction is protestors will prevent the construction and the local Police will not disperse them. Any violence done to the protestors but Americans will result in all of the Americans kicked out.

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Ben, according to your thinking all of the radioactive waste from Fukushima can be dumped in Okinawa.

Yuri,

You are not making any sense. Is the above a national law? If so, and if the waste can be dumped in other parts of Japan, of course it can also be dumped in Okinawa. Okinawa is a part of Japan, and as such, is subject to Japanese law. As I said before, if Okinawa does not like being a part of Japan or being subjected to Japanese law, they have to separate from Japan. They also have the right to protest as Japanese citizens, which is what they do now. I am not sure why or how you are having trouble with what I am saying. I am merely dealing in the facts as they are.

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Ben, according to your thinking all of the radioactive waste from Fukushima can be dumped in Okinawa. Hey it is like national law, the Okinawa people have no rights. How dare they say no!

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which makes the special measures act unconstitutional because it goes against the constitutions law on anti discrimination.

I believe the supreme court ruled otherwise on that.

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Jackinoff.. the special law is eminent domain. Cannot seize land in Japan for military purposes, only civilian. A discriminatory act was passed by the Hashimoto regime to try to bypass this constitutional law, however it only applies to Okinawa prefecture, which makes the special measures act unconstitutional because it goes against the constitutions law on anti discrimination.

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Okinawa is special in many ways. They also do bear an unfair burden of defense bases. I am sick and tired of hearing people in other prefectures protest against having them in their own prefectures. Once, I remember one group saying they were the same as Okinawa in their feelings. I immediately thought that they were nothing like Okinawa in that they were currently bearing no burden at all. However, present day Okinawa is not a sovereign nation. It is a prefecture of Japan and as such does fall under the central government and national laws. Which law do you think is being used to protest against construction?

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Okinawa is special due to our past sovereignty, anyway it is National Law that is being used to prevent construction.

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I hear there's some available land in Tohoku, and no neighbors for about 20km.

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having to obey Tokyo is wrong.

No, it is not. National law is national law just as national policy is national policy.

He is not bound to follow their orders.

Yes, he is when it comes to national laws and policy. If Okinawa wants to become an independent country again, then it can freely ignore national laws and policies in Japan.

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Ben_Jackinoff, having to obey Tokyo is wrong. The Governor of Okinawa is following the law. He is not bound to follow their orders.

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We are not Tokyo or Washington's slaves!

Nobody said anything about slaves. However, to ignore that there is a central government in Tokyo that decides much of the laws and policy for all of Japan is to ignore reality.

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Bow and smile. Repeat.

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Ben_Jackinoff, suppose that is true in totalitarian states like China and Russia. America and Europe are working their way there with the minimizing of the states. Japan is a FREE country and the days we had to follow Tokyo's instructions are over. We are not Tokyo or Washington's slaves! It is already over and Tokyo knows it, only way it can be done now is by force. US Marines forcing the protestors preventing construction to disperse by force. Using their clubs, tear gas and guns.

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Nakaima never made the stupid agreement with the Americans.

He did not have to and his agreement is not required. The central government makes such decisions.

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What is the point in talking? The answer is NO, what is so hard to understand. Nakaima never made the stupid agreement with the Americans. The new airfield is never going to be built.

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But Nakaima has already vowed to reject the long-stalled plan as he demanded the base—the Futenma marine corps air station—be moved out of Okinawa to help reduce a huge U.S. military presence there.

Then why come and talk to this guy? The wheels on the bus go round and round.

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