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Ex-PMs Kan, Koizumi urge Japan to quit nuclear power generation

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"Japan has so much natural sources of energy like solar power, hydropower and wind power. Why should we use something that's more expensive and less safe?" 

He's right.

By the way, both men joined up at the foreign correspondent's club. Their talk was well worth listening to.

Koizumi and Kan: Ten Years After Fukushima - Nuclear Power in Japan. - YouTube

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The government said nuclear energy would be 25% of total power by 2030. Can't see that happening. Currently, the power companies have applied to decommission 20 reactors. At best 10-15% without building new reactors, which is unlikely to happen.

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Yet thermal generation of electric by burning fossil fuels is killing millions of people around the world every year.

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Nuclear energy is too expensive for most countries. After more than 50 years, nuclear energy has only generated 14% of total world power.

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Nuclear reactors is getting better with each generation!

Texas in 2021.

Did you read the news?

Serious winter freeze in Texas, pipes frozen, no electricity.They use %25 wind and solar which where frozen, not moving, not generating anything!

With global weather becoming worse, more unpredictable, we are an Island Nation, with 0 natural resources, not enough land!

All Options Should be on the Table! That's why electric prices keep going up. That's why we use fossil fuels more.

Fun fact:

France.... Remember them?

They are Energy Independent!

How? Why? Magic?

NUCLEAR ENERGY!

They had 0 disasters. New reactors built.

How do French feel about Nuclear?

They love Nuclear Energy! ! !

Let's avoid facts Mr Koizumi, you like fiction and fantasies instead. What other terrible ideas you have for Japan?

We can turn off all the lights too and stay in darkness. That's an option.

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In Texas, the nuclear plants were also shut down because of freezing problems.

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France does not have powerful earthquakes and tsunami. Their nuclear plants were built to higher safety standards than Fukushima.

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Nonsense. At the present technological level renewable energy can be produced only with huge government subsidies (at somebody else's expense), it's too expensive, unreliable and unpredictable. You can, under very favourable weather conditions, with wind or solar electricity-generating equipment get more or less energy for your private house, but no way you can get enough energy for factories and plants. If the government wants to de-industrialize Japan then yes, go for the renewables.

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Asakaze

Nonsense. At the present technological level renewable energy can be produced only with huge government subsidies (at somebody else's expense), it's too expensive, unreliable and unpredictable

From the mid 1970's the nuclear industry received about ¥600 billion every year in government subsidies. The Nuclear accident liability was limited to a total of ¥120 billion.

in the UK about 15-20% of power is from renewables.

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Asakaze

the cost of the nuclear clean up will eventually reach more than ¥80 trillion with most of that being paid by the taxpayer.

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Zichi

in the UK about 15-20% of power is from renewables

May be. But I really doubt they'll go further.

Do you really believe that Japanese steelmakers, cement makers and other industries with high energy needs, plus millions of households, can be reliably supplied by renewables?

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@asakaze

Yes they surely can. The UK, Germany, Holland etc. is constantly proving this. All these countries have industries and millions of households.

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Asakaze

Most days the UK no longer burns coal or less than 5%. I think Japan could generate 30% of total power from all forms of renewables.

Check it out for yourself.

http://gridwatch.co.uk

The problem is the baseload power, or the power generated overnight. Japan mostly uses coal.

Do you really believe that Japanese steelmakers, cement makers and other industries with high energy needs, plus millions of households, can be reliably supplied by renewables?

They are actually supplied by electricity. Electricity generated by various fuels and energies. Japan is underused with both wind turbines and geothermal. There are companies selling only electricity from renewables. Many companies have started to generate their own power or a percentage of it. Companies like Apple are running on 100% renewable energies.

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Finish nuclear scientist Arto Lauri could not agree more with ending nuclear energy production. He can tell you that and other things he thinks about the Fukushima disaster. It is worth listening to his YouTube interview:

https://youtu.be/TCS6BJFdm1k

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Thanks Zichi for that great link.

It shows how the UK grid is connected to Belgium, France, Holland and Ireland.

Japan can barely connect Hokkaido and Kyushu to Honshu. Kansai/Kanto frequency differences limit the connectivity on Honshu itself. The frequency and voltage differences in Europe are solved by using HVDC connectors.

Could we use the GoTo budget to give Japan a smart grid?

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Calling a former prime of (this) state “a maverick reformist”eludes my comprehension.

Just let go of your learned stereotypes and become more likeable to the others on this shared biosphere.

Same wish to all in the neighbourhood

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Get rid of the nuke reactors and just harness all the wind coming from the politicians mouths.

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"Japan has so much natural sources of energy like solar power, hydropower and wind power. Why should we use something that's more expensive and less safe?" said Koizumi, 

He drank the PC cool aid. Hydropower is maxed out in Japan, and solar and wind are pipe dreams, depending on subsidies. He did not mention geothermal power, which probably can be developed more but can not power the entire country.

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zichi

Companies like Apple are running on 100% renewable energies.

I call your bluff on that one. Show a reference for that or take it back.

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Apple now globally powered by 100 percent renewable energy

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/04/apple-now-globally-powered-by-100-percent-renewable-energy/

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zichi

Apple now globally powered by 100 percent renewable energy

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/04/apple-now-globally-powered-by-100-percent-renewable-energy/

Read your own source. It says that 23 of Applies suppliers are "committed", it does not say that all of its production in China IS 100% renewable energy, which would be an absurd claim. You can commit to all sorts to things; promises are cheap.

Koizumis claim remains an empty talking point.

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