politics

S Korea's police chief visits islets disputed with Japan: source

24 Comments

The requested article has expired, and is no longer available. Any related articles, and user comments are shown below.

© KYODO

©2022 GPlusMedia Inc.

24 Comments

Comments have been disabled You can no longer respond to this thread.

The Liancourt Rocks are a symbol of anti-Japan nationalism. Back when Trump talked to Kim Jong Un for the first time, South Korea cancelled its joint military drill with the U.S. along the border, yet it still did its regular drill on the rocks "in case of an invasion from Japan".

South Korea is so obsessed with them that people all over the country cheered when some athlete swam all the way there. I once saw a video of some foreign exchange students being tricked into saying “Dokdo is Korean” in broken Korean. The amount of brainwashing is abnormal.

11 ( +19 / -8 )

South Korea is so obsessed with them that people all over the country cheered when some athlete swam all the way there. I once saw a video of some foreign exchange students being tricked into saying “Dokdo is Korean” in broken Korean. The amount of brainwashing is abnormal.

It is Korean. Even US presidents recognise it as Korean. Even 17th century maps from Spain showed it as part of Korea. The only brainwashed people are the Japanese. Get over it.

-10 ( +9 / -19 )

South Korea has no legal merit in the court of law.

South Korea seized Takeshima after WW2 was over in the 1950s.

Japan was defeated by USA with no navy or army left, signed pacifist constitution to renounce war.

Hands tied behind its back to defend or protect Japanese Islands, land, water. That's when brave South Korea decided to take Takeshima..... When we literally had no options to defend or do anything in return to protect our interest.

When your weak, countries will take advantage of that. Takeshima is the perfect example!

South Korea refuses to take this issue to the international community because they know what they did it's illegal and against the law.

5 ( +13 / -8 )

*Hands tied behind its back to defend or protect KOREA Islands, land, water. IN 1904 when COWARD JAPAN decided to take DOKDO TO USE AS BASE TO ATTACK RUSSIA..... When we literally had no options to defend or do anything in return to protect our interest.*

*When YOU'RE weak, countries will take advantage of that. *DOKDO is the perfect example!

FURTHER, HISTORICAL EUROPEAN AND JAPANESE MAPS SHOWED DOKDO TO BE PART OF KOREA.

-12 ( +5 / -17 )

Tom DoleyToday  07:39 am JST

It is Korean. Even US presidents recognise it as Korean. Even 17th century maps from Spain showed it as part of Korea. The only brainwashed people are the Japanese. Get over it.

Complete fabrication.

7 ( +14 / -7 )

The United States has never consididered the Liancourt Rocks to be South Korean territory. In fact it was the US that told Japan that they should take SKorea to Court. Japan has trued 3 times but SKorea has always refused.

"In 1954, James Van Fleet, a US special mission ambassador, submitted a secret report to U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower after a round of visits to South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and the Philippines. The Report of Van Fleet mission to the Far East summarised:

[T]he United States concluded that they remained under Japanese sovereignty and the Island was not included among the Islands that Japan released from its ownership under the Peace Treaty ... Though the United States considers that the islands are Japanese territory, we have declined to interfere in the dispute.

On April 27, 1960, immediately after the resignation of Syngman Rhee, U.S. Ambassador to Japan Douglas MacArthur II sent a telegram to J. Graham Parsons, Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs. In it, he said:

Rhee regime also seized by force and is holding illegally Takeshima Island which has always been considered as Japanese territory. This is very serious and permanent irritant in Japan-ROK relations and there can be no over-all ROK-Japan settlement until this Japanese island is returned to Japan. Therefore we should also press new ROK regime to return Takeshima to Japan.

Further he said:[151]

While we should press strongly for return of Takeshima to Japan, if by any chance new regime were unwilling to do so we should, as very minimum, insist that they agree to submit matter to International Court of Justice for arbitration."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks_dispute

8 ( +14 / -6 )

Let's not forget that South Korean authorities captured 327 Japanese fishing vessels. Out of the 3,911 fishermen detained, 8 died.

6 ( +10 / -4 )

Even 17th century maps from Spain showed it as part of Korea. 

Are you talking about Moon in Spain, had been laughed at for making same old misunderstanding a while ago?

4 ( +9 / -5 )

Explained easily and in general, Japan is an or let’s say THE island country, so of course all near islands are Japanese, while all continental areas are not and belong to several countries. So, as a rule of thumb, Japan was and will be fought back anytime if it tries to gain any small continental ground, while the big rest in return just has to refrain and be fought back if they consider annexation of any Japanese islands. Those are in general the historically grown roles in the region and you can surely recognize that all reasons for former or future conflicts can be reduced to that easy theory or principle.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Wash, rince, repeat.

Usual Korean tit aiming at Japanese tat (who will oblige)...(sigh)

Petty, real petty (not mentioning silly if not ridiculous from a diplomatic POV)...

As many here, I have my issues with the J-gov, but would really appreciate Korea to grow up as well, as obviously there are some heavy issues there too. Not holding my breath though...

8 ( +11 / -3 )

Complete fabrication.

Instead of relying on a few pro Japanese Americans for evidence, why not mention SCAPIN 677 that preceded those events occurred straight after Japan's surrender?

SCAPIN-677 Article 3: For the purpose of this directive, Japan is defined to include … excluding (a) Utsuryo (Ullung) Island, Liancourt Rocks [(Dokdo)]…and Quelpart (Saishu or Cheju) Island …

And despite your weak 'evidences', historical evidence rules.

Fact is there are plenty of historical maps in Europe recognising Dokdo as Korean. Even old Japanese maps indicated Dokdo as part of Korea.

Look, in the event of a war between Korea and Japan over Dokdo, will the US support Japan? Nope.

Then, it's Korea's. Get over it.

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

Let's not forget that South Korean authorities captured 327 Japanese fishing vessels. Out of the 3,911 fishermen detained, 8 died.

Great idea. Let's also not forget the millions of civilians that died by the IJA at the same time. But I guess, one Japanese person is worth more than a million foreigners and hence not worth remembering.

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

Instead of relying on a few pro Japanese Americans for evidence, why not mention SCAPIN 677 that preceded those events occurred straight after Japan's surrender?

SCAPIN-677 Article 3: For the purpose of this directive, Japan is defined to include … excluding (a) Utsuryo (Ullung) Island, Liancourt Rocks [(Dokdo)]…and Quelpart (Saishu or Cheju) Island …

And despite your weak 'evidences', historical evidence rules.

Fact is there are plenty of historical maps in Europe recognising Dokdo as Korean. Even old Japanese maps indicated Dokdo as part of Korea.

Look, in the event of a war between Korea and Japan over Dokdo, will the US support Japan? Nope.

Then, it's Korea's. Get over it.

FYI.

(2) SCAPIN No. 1033

(a) In June 1946, SCAP issued SCAPIN No. 1033 to expand the areas where Japanese were permitted to engage in fishing and whaling (the “MacArthur Line”).

(b) Paragraph 3 of the note states “Japanese vessels or personnel thereof will not approach closer than twelve (12) miles to Takeshima (37°15' North Latitude, 131°53' East Longitude) nor have any contact with said island.”

(c) Paragraph 5 of the same instruction note, however, states that “[t]he present authorization is not an expression of allied [sic] policy relative to [the] ultimate determination of national jurisdiction, international boundaries or fishing rights in the area concerned or in any other area.”

3.

The abolishment of the “MacArthur Line” was directed in April 25, 1952, and three days after, on April 28, the San Francisco Peace Treaty came into effect, which consequently nullified the directive to cease Japan's political and administrative power in the aforementioned areas.

The ROK claims that the Allies did not recognize Takeshima as part of Japan's territory based on the SCAPIN documents mentioned above, and includes them in the evidence for its claim of sovereignty over Takeshima. However, both of the SCAPIN documents clearly state that they shall not be construed as an indication of Allied policy relating to the ultimate determination of the assignment of Japanese sovereignty, and therefore such claims are obviously incorrect.

The territory of Japan was determined by the San Francisco Peace Treaty when it subsequently came into effect. This clearly shows that none of the treatment of Takeshima prior to the effect of that Treaty affects the title to Takeshima.

Source: MOFA

9 ( +11 / -2 )

Source: MOFA

Great source. One would assume it's very objective since it's the mouthpiece of the LDP.

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

Great source. One would assume it's very objective since it's the mouthpiece of the LDP.

Take it up with MOFA, instead. LOL

8 ( +11 / -3 )

Take it up with MOFA, instead. LOL

Passing the buck to MOFA I see. Understandable when they don't teach you the full ropes.

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

Passing the buck to MOFA I see. Understandable when they don't teach you the full ropes.

As far as I'm concerned, this conversation is over.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

They're Korean. End of story.

-10 ( +5 / -15 )

It seems strange that Japan should claim islands belonging to all of its neighbors.

-13 ( +2 / -15 )

You think the governments of Spain, Italy, and Hungary all tried to show historical maps of Dokdo to Korea to give Japan a laugh? You do realise they are laughing at you?

I mean... I wonder if you really think the governments of Spain, Italy, and Hungary all tried to show historical maps for support shooting to prove Takeshima had belonged to the peninsula?

7 ( +10 / -3 )

I have one question...

So?

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Dokdo is Korean. End of story.

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

The territorial claim of the Japanese government on Takeshima is comical. Japanese people know what 'Takeshima' literally means: bamboo island 竹島, but there is no bamboo in Takeshima.

But, there is another small island called 'bamboo island' (Jukdo 竹島 in Korean) at 2 km (1 mile) east of Ulleungdo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jukdo_(island)

You may see those abundant bamboos there: https://wayfaringflaneur.com/2018/09/02/jukdo%EC%A3%BD%EB%8F%84-bamboo-island/

Japanese government never mentions this real bamboo island (Jukdo in Korean) when they explain their territorial claim. They intentionally omit it, or obfuscate it with Ulleungdo. For example:

https://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/takeshima/position.html

https://www.mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000057.html

Long time ago, Japanese fishermen certainly recognized the existence of Jukdo 竹島 near Ulleungdo island. At that time, Takeshima did not designate the Liancourt Rocks, but Jukdo to Japanese fishermen. Both Jukdo and Ulleungdo are now Korean territories that Japan and the other countries acknowledge. Now the Japanese government claims the territorial right with a wrong name or a wrong location.

There are 7 Japanese islands called the same name Takeshima (竹島 bamboo island) along the coast of Japan, and all of them have bamboo:

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%AB%B9%E5%B3%B6_(%E6%9B%96%E6%98%A7%E3%81%95%E5%9B%9E%E9%81%BF)

But only one exception is the remotely-located Liancourt Rocks, called 'Dokdo' in Korean, which literally means a rock island. It is a consistency problem. Koreans knew that it consisted of rocks, and therefore bamboo could not grow there. The so-called bamboo island without any bamboo was just an ad hoc, imaginary island for Japan to forcefully occupy Dokdo in 1905. Now they still shout "the bamboo island without any bamboo is a Japanese territory".

-7 ( +1 / -8 )

But only one exception is the remotely-located Liancourt Rocks, called 'Dokdo' in Korean, which literally means a rock island.

@SJ

Thanks for that additional information. This is what happens when you try and force a square peg through a circle. As an American, I will always support Korea on this issue. I've had my fair share of time in Japan to know the tactics used by Japan to get what they want. And through my own research, I am confident Dokdo is Korean.

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

Articles, Offers & Useful Resources

A mix of what's trending on our other sites