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S Korea says it will share military intel with Japan through U.S.

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Tell your father to pass the salt, dear...

And that's how farcical this has become.

Somebody is benefiting from the situation and it's not Japan or South Korea.

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Perfect analogy TH.

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Tell your father to pass the salt, dear...

Ok, that's clever.

Looks like Japan won't be watching the bombs fall on CNN like someone was trying to insist.

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Interesting...so not much will really change...wonder what is going on behind the scenes

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@extanker

Looks like Japan won't be watching the bombs fall on CNN like someone was trying to insist.

Korea is giving enough "delayed" data to let Japan see incoming missile, but not enough to intercept it. This is because the radar data must travel from Korea to NORAD, then back to Tokyo, adding latency and seconds.

To get enough "fresh" data to attempt an interception, Abe must surrender to Moon and sign a new GSOMIA on Moon's term.

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20190823/p2a/00m/0na/005000c

However, former Defense Minister Gen Nakatani has dismissed such optimism. "If a missile is launched, relevant divisions among the Japanese, South Korean and U.S. governments comprehensively ascertain the details of the launch and where the missile will land in preparing to intercept it. The system can't function (with cancellation of the Japan-South Korea GSOMIA)," he said.

Another former defense minister expressed concerns that Japan would not be able to respond swiftly to North Korea's firing of missiles if it were forced to exchange information with South Korea via the United States.

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To get enough "fresh" data to attempt an interception, Abe must surrender to Moon and sign a new GSOMIA on Moon's term.

No agreement with him would be worth the paper it's written on.

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so back to the 2016 original agreement?

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@buffalo

so back to the 2016 original agreement?

Moon administration has proposed to turn back the clock to June of this year, before Abe san started this trade war.

Japan rolls back its whitelist removal and export control, Korea rolls back its GSOMIA termination.

Sounds fair and reasonable to US State Department officials, now the US pressure is on Abe administration to roll back his trade war.

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Nothing more than a haste knee jerk reaction since U.S. responded to their action negatively.

.."The Department of Defense expresses our strong concern and disappointment that the Moon Administration has withheld its renewal of the Republic of Korea's General Security of Military Information Agreement (GSOMIA) with Japan," Pentagon spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Dave Eastburn said in a statement...

“We’re disappointed to see the decision the South Koreans made about that information-sharing agreement. We’re urging each of the two countries to continue to engage,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

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While this is ongoing, the benefits are with NK, China and Russia who have their own alliance. Makes us wonder why the Moon doesn't see this or is in on it from the beginning. Why the major SK corporates let this happen is disturbing but it only means that the above mentioned alliance powers have or are controlling them too. It was a dirty way of doing political business by SK Moon on Japan. Can't be trusted.

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If you're going to do something,do it properly or don't do it at all. Sharing through the U.S? What's with that? Moon is a lightweight.Time for him to get the flick.

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@rgcivilian1

Makes us wonder why the Moon doesn't see this or is in on it from the beginning.

There are two bilateral alliances in Asia, US-Japan and US-Korea. Japan and Korea aren't allies, rather bitter enemies who can go to war tomorrow.

Japan never saw Korea as an ally, neither has Korea seen Japan as an ally since 1945. They were always enemies.

Why the major SK corporates let this happen is disturbing

Most Korean big corporations are currently executing "Exit Japan" contingency plan, to completely eliminate Japan dependency on their supply chains. For example, Samsung will remove all Japan sourced material from its production lines a year from now.

@cracaphat

Sharing through the U.S? What's with that?

Data being routed to the US and then back introduces enough latency in data to make them worthless for use in interception.

Two former Japanese defense ministers confirmed that only data obtained directly from Korea via GSOMIA is fresh enough for use in interception attempts.

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South Korea killed the intel pact and North Korea just launched a missile and guess what who saw it first?

Japan coastguard says it detected North Korean ballistic missile launch

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/23/north-korea-seen-to-have-launched-missile-japan-coast-guard-says.html

LOL at the South Koreans

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Korea is giving enough "delayed" data to let Japan see incoming missile, but not enough to intercept it. This is because the radar data must travel from Korea to NORAD, then back to Tokyo, adding latency and seconds.

You are backpedaling as fast as Moon. Face it, Korea knows it's backed itself into a corner and Moon is doing anything it can to fake it that they didn't to the point of, like Toasted Heretic put it, asking 'Dad to pass the salt'. It's pathetic.

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I've heard US spy satellites and ground radars are always detecting N Korean missiles faster than S Korean radar. Japan has now 7 spy satellites but S Korea has zero spy satellite over N Korea. It has only ground radars only. So most of such information will come from US military. GSOMIA seems not important any more for Japan.

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N Korea fired missiles in the sea sometimes to show to the world, but NK will never drop/fire missiles in Japan's soil, because N Korea Kim knows well that N Korea will never get large amount of money and economy help from Japan after peace treaty is made someday if NK really fired it to Japan. That's why Japan is not much worried about missiles, but worry a little about false ones. So GSOMIA seems not critically important from the beginning. Japan is not at war with NK anyway.

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Japan coastguard says it detected North Korean ballistic missile launch

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/23/north-korea-seen-to-have-launched-missile-japan-coast-guard-says.html

LOL at the South Koreans

So all the bitter wailing and tears of Japan and Japanophile gaijin were for nothing?

LOL

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@kwatt No one has a spy satellite over North Korea. It doesn't work that way. Satellites are either in geostationary orbit over the equator or in synchronous orbits that pass over North Korea periodically. You cannot place a satellite over North Korea and keep it there. That's how the Physics works. The US, Japan, and South Korea all have satellites in space. And, they all have many other sources of intelligence. North Korea probably also receives satellite intelligence from Russia, China, and others. Sharing is important, it allows verification and collective interpretation which add tremendous value. GSOMIA is mostly about trust and the expedience of sharing.

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Just another day in the life of South Korean preschool aka Moon government

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Japan dont want South Korean "intel", its not accurate and has probably been secretly shared with or intercepted by communists in the North. SK and Moon cant be trusted.

GSOMIA seems not important any more for Japan.

Brilliantly argued.

Japan and USA can manage perfectly without SK in any intelligence or Military alliance.

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You cannot place a satellite over North Korea and keep it there. That's how the Physics works. The US, Japan, and South Korea all have satellites in space. And, they all have many other sources of intelligence. North Korea probably also receives satellite intelligence from Russia, China, and others.

Oh, boy you just need to place more then one satellite in orbit to maintain line of sight.

Japan has eight spy satellites in orbit.

A low orbiting spy satellite orbits the earth in around hour and a half and gains a window of 10 minutes of line of sight at any given location. With 8 satellites you have 80 minutes line of sight at about one minute and 6 seconds intervals. More then enough to maintain 24/7 surveillance.

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No one has a spy satellite over North Korea.

I've heard Japan launched 7 satellites in space as spying all over and a couple of more in the future. Yes, you are partially right. These satellites are always flying all over on the route but watching recording carefully. It is true that most of such information usually came from US military. Probably US has radars in the military base in S Korea. S Korea does not have such satellite at all.

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Samit BasuToday  08:36 am JST

Most Korean big corporations are currently executing "Exit Japan" contingency plan, to completely eliminate Japan dependency on their supply chains. For example, Samsung will remove all Japan sourced material from its production lines a year from now.

... and watch their quality control work overtime. Japan quality -- South Korean quality (goes for any country relying on Japan sourced materials). Why do you think Japan has 70% of the market in those high tech materials? If the materials aren't high enough quality then they will be stuck. The amount of dud components will increase costing Samsung more money. If they want to produce their own materials it'll cost a lot more anyway. Now you know why the South Koreans are so upset. All that money they know have to spend just because of Japan's 90 day approval process! Ha! What a joke! Why don't they just wait a little longer like everyone else?? What's the problem?

South Korea can't handle rejection from Japan... even just putting some materials through the normal 90 day approval process. This is how sweet a deal South Korea has enjoyed with Japan for SO long, that they were caught completely off guard when Japan said "enough".

What an absolute farce of epic proportions. Bravo South Korea.

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Samit BasuToday  08:36 am JST

Data being routed to the US and then back introduces enough latency in data to make them worthless for use in interception.

You're misrepresenting the truth (again). Japan is capable of detecting missile launches on its own, as the coast guard already did previously before the South Koreans reported it. It's not always perfect (hence GSOMIA) but it can work independently with the US with good results. Japan does not solely rely on South Korea for anything, except authentic Kimchi and Pachinko owners. You must understand this.

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Stupid. This new guideline, which South Korea unilaterally announced without any consent (yet), would only the US to do extra (unnecessary) handling work despite the same aims and effects under GSOMIA pact.

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Japan rolls back its whitelist removal and export control, Korea rolls back its GSOMIA termination.

But Korea has GSOMIA with 20 other countries.  Which of them are so kind besides Japan as to treat Korea as a whitelist country?

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Hopefully Korea doesn't regret terminating GSOMIA. It's better for both Korea and Japan to take times and think a lot about their future relationship. Whatever the result is, it will be valuable lessons learned.

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Talk about spinning the narrative, SK is not going to share information through US, the US is going to share information with Japan.

Basically the US told SK that once SK provides the information to the US, the US will share it with her allies and the US will not accept any argument telling SK has no words concerning it. If they did not like that arrangement then the US has no obligations to share information with SK and terminate the US-SK GSOMIA all together.

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What a stupidity. Depending on other countries to dispose the centuries of hatred toward Japan onto people who have not repeated the mistake for 70 plus years. They have so much hate and anger than they can't find happiness on their own. So wants Japanese people to be miserable because koreans are indeed miserable.

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Nobody should be confident too much that current SK could not leak classified military info to China or Russia and NK.

https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXMZO48928110T20C19A8000000/

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At any rate, South korea is the one violating treaties and agreements. Isn't it embarrasing to go to the international community to solve korea's anger management issues toward Japan? What has Japan done to korea lately?

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Ugh Look at hey eyes in the front on the left. Just like the ones of a cult missionaries I know of from so many years ago

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