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It said that the South Korean government has admitted to having carried out the survey.

It did not take long for the new government of South Korea to dispel any doubt that their recent appeal to the Japanese government about closer bilateral relationship was not as important as they said it would be.

Nobody is expecting SK to just renounce to the territory, but making such an open demonstration clearly sends a strong message towards Tokyo. Maybe Yoon is no longer interested in getting Japanese support anymore.

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If Pres Yoon is sincere and serious about improving the SK-JPN relations that his predecessor destroyed, one thing that would overturn that damage is to agree to settle the Liancourt rocks dispute before the International Court of Justice. Originally on the US recommendation in 1952, Japan has asked South Korea to settle this territorial dispute at the ICJ three times, and each time South Korea has refused. This stonewalling behavior simply adds to the mistrust and bad relations. Settling before the ICJ, regardless of the outcome, would put an end to this dispute and improve relations.

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The rocky outcrops controlled by Seoul under the name Dokdo

That about sums it up... nothing further to discuss.

Nothing sums any up.

The native Korean name for the Liancourt Rocks is Dol-sum, which was written as Dok-do(獨島) in a phonetic transcription of Chinese characters. Dol-sum(Rock Island) is the precise description of what Liancourt Rocks exactly are.

Takeshima(竹島) means bamboo island, which does exist but is not the Liancourt Rocks which doesn't have bamboo at all.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Jukdo/@37.52942,130.937628,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x5fe05a84d4045f3d:0x6134002788c579f3!8m2!3d37.5294206!4d130.937628

*This is THE REAL TAKESHIMA(竹島) complete with a bamboo forest, aka Jukdo(竹島).** Of course Japan's not claiming the real 竹島 which is undisputedly Korean.*

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Jukdo/@37.5294206,130.937628,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipPo8BF_6Fwucf8B4D8M8WG25ZLdIiU89lUPezSk!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPo8BF_6Fwucf8B4D8M8WG25ZLdIiU89lUPezSk%3Dw203-h270-k-no!7i3024!8i4032!4m5!3m4!1s0x5fe05a84d4045f3d:0x6134002788c579f3!8m2!3d37.5294206!4d130.937628

*So why did Imperial Japan mistaken the Rock Island(獨島) for Bamboo Island(竹島)?** Japanese government officials were making claims based on historical record of Japanese fishermen who paid taxes to Korea fish at Ulleung-do, which had Jukdo(竹島) to dock ships.*

*Yeah Yeah Yeah, You had been calling it *于山島(Usan-do) & conveniently created/changed the name. Meaningless to repeat false propaganda no more. 

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Hello Kitty 321Today  05:44 pm JST

@kennyG

But as the islands are Korean, the research was carried out within the Korea's exclusive economic zone.

Japan's claim that Korea acted within Japan's EEZ is based simply on on its fallacious claim to the islands.

Please refer to the definition of EEZ , particularly under such conflict sea are

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There are some uneducated persons who don't understand how a Court works. Japan can not bring China to the ICJ over the Senkakus because Japan already controls them. It is up to the Claimant, China to bring the case to the ICJ. However, China refuses to do so as it would jeapordize it;s position that International forums and trubunals have no validity over matters of Chinese sovereignty. The excuse China used to disregard the ruling in favor of the Phillipines over the Spratleys.

Japan has asked South Korea to settle the Liancourt Rocks dispute at the ICJ three times and each time, South Korea has refused. The only possible reason would be that South Korea does not have sufficient confidence in the "evidence" it posesses to secure a ruling in it's favor. Not exactly what most countries would call civilized or dignified. The new Yoon administration has an opportunity to end this dispute permanently, regardless of the ruling outcome.

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Today  08:57 pm JSTPosted in: S Korean ship conducted survey near disputed isles: Japan gov't  See in context

marcelitoToday  05:47 pm JST

The rocky outcrops controlled by Seoul under the name Dokdo

That about sums it up... nothing further to discuss.

Repeat the same post when Russia, SK, China all respect ICJ and declare for acceptance of ICJ's compulsory jurisdiction

Why? If you want the islands , take them from SK and administer them then

I don't deal with a sock-puppet. Fix your posting name first.

Shame ON YOU gintonic

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 There is nothing in international law specifically prohibiting the practice and in this instance South Korea is emphatically not obliged to seek Japan's permission to sail through their EEZ.

There is. United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. and these are conflict sea are.

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The islands are Korean. Period. There is no dispute. Same as Japan won't go the ICJ over the Senkakus saying there is no dispute that they are Japanese territory. Or wait... does Japan live on Dokdo? Administer it year-round? No?

Repeat the same post when Russia, SK, China all respect ICJ and declare for acceptance of ICJ's compulsory jurisdiction

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There are three islands called “Takeshima” around the Japanese archipelago, including the one that the Koreans also claim to and call it “Dokdo” or “Tokto”.

The Japanese name, “Takeshima”, can be analyzed as take + shima. Likewise, Korean “Dokdo” or “Tokto” can be analyzed as dok + do  or tok + to. Both Japanese shima and Korean do or to mean “island”. Then, what do the initial morphemes in both Japanese and Korean, take and dok/tok, mean?  Nobody knows for sure. But , phonologically speaking, Japanese take and Korean dok/tok sound alike. 

That means ancient people, when they had no conception of modern-day states or sovereignty, called the island by almost the same name.

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samit

Thanks for repeating SJ

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The Chinese make the same protests when US ships conduct marine surveys inside China's EEZ. It is pretty clear the surveys are conducted to support submarine and anti-submarine warfare, bottom mapping the area, sampling salinity and water temperatures at different depths looking for layers in which subs might hide from sonar. There is nothing in international law specifically prohibiting the practice and in this instance South Korea is emphatically not obliged to seek Japan's permission to sail through their EEZ.

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Now now children, play nicely!

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And what's wrong with Korea surveying its own islands within its own EEZ?

I don't get it.

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How about sharing, like we do with Russia north of Hokkaido?

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The islands are Korean. Period. There is no dispute. Same as Japan won't go the ICJ over the Senkakus saying there is no dispute that they are Japanese territory. Or wait... does Japan live on Dokdo? Administer it year-round? No?

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@kennyG

But as the islands are Korean, the research was carried out within the Korea's exclusive economic zone.

Japan's claim that Korea acted within Japan's EEZ is based simply on on its fallacious claim to the islands.

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The rocky outcrops controlled by Seoul under the name Dokdo

That about sums it up... nothing further to discuss.

Repeat the same post when Russia, SK, China all respect ICJ and declare for acceptance of ICJ's compulsory jurisdiction

Why? If you want the islands , take them from SK and administer them then.

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@OssanJapan

one thing that would overturn that damage is to agree to settle the Liancourt rocks dispute before the International Court of Justice. 

That would amount to a treason and Yoon would immediately be impeached out of office, then thrown in prison on treason charges.

@Rodney

How about sharing, like we do with Russia north of Hokkaido?

So when was the last time Japanese survey ships surveyed the Southern Kurils, like before 1945?

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@voiceofokinawa

Then, what do the initial morphemes in both Japanese and Korean, take and dok/tok, mean?

The native Korean name for the Liancourt Rocks is Dol-sum, which was written as Dok-do(獨島) in a phonetic transcription of Chinese characters. Dol-sum(Rock Island) is the precise description of what Liancourt Rocks exactly are.

Takeshima(竹島) means bamboo island, which does exist but is not the Liancourt Rocks which doesn't have bamboo at all.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Jukdo/@37.52942,130.937628,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x5fe05a84d4045f3d:0x6134002788c579f3!8m2!3d37.5294206!4d130.937628

This is THE REAL TAKESHIMA(竹島) complete with a bamboo forest, aka Jukdo(竹島). Of course Japan's not claiming the real 竹島 which is undisputedly Korean.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Jukdo/@37.5294206,130.937628,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipPo8BF_6Fwucf8B4D8M8WG25ZLdIiU89lUPezSk!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPo8BF_6Fwucf8B4D8M8WG25ZLdIiU89lUPezSk%3Dw203-h270-k-no!7i3024!8i4032!4m5!3m4!1s0x5fe05a84d4045f3d:0x6134002788c579f3!8m2!3d37.5294206!4d130.937628

So why did Imperial Japan mistaken the Rock Island(獨島) for Bamboo Island(竹島)? Japanese government officials were making claims based on historical record of Japanese fishermen who paid taxes to Korea fish at Ulleung-do, which had Jukdo(竹島) to dock ships.

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