Senior Chinese leader urges island talks with Japan

nigelboy, that’s beside the point. I have proved to you that Japan did, in fact, send patrol vessels into the area. With regards to frequency and timing they are irrelevant. No snipping of small parts either. So, admit it, Japan is not a civilized nation according to your own words. As about popularity you just couldn’t come up with anything to show that Chinese PM has made a provoking remark about Japan, right?. Only, Abe who is running around accusing and making damaging remarks about China. About Abe’s contradictory statements, you tried to make up a reason to fit the crime. If it’s not because of Abe’s negative and contradictory remarks, the dispute would not escalate up to this point. And, what terms are talking about when they haven’t even talked to each other. If they are an unacceptable term I am sure Abe would not hesitate to let the whole world know about it.

Japan needs to make peace with Russia

I couldn't agree more. Mr Abe should be making this a priority. Coming to an agreement with the Russians at once shows that the Japanese government is willing and able to negotiate with its neighbors. It also removes the possibility that Russia would side with the communists in china to exert undue pressure on Japan.

Russia has been waiting patiently, step up to the plate please Mr Abe.

Japan needs to make peace with Russia, accept the 1956 Declaration. Give up all claims to the lianacourt rocks. Then we will be free to deal with the Peoples Republic of China.

nigelboy Jan. 19, 2013 - 08:47AM JST ???? Puzzling post. Japan has, on their own explored the resources as well as conducted an actual survey of the land itself as recently as last September.

The solution to the competing claims emerged in 2008, when Japan and China reached a principled consensus on joint development of an area that includes the potentially gas-rich Chunxiao/Shirakaba field. However, the 2010 ramming of Japanese Coast Guard cutters by a Chinese fishing boat and the subsequent arrest of the Chinese captain by the Japanese, have halted all movement toward formalizing the 2008 consensus.

If Japan has definite ownership without doubt, why did Japan offer to explore resources jointly with China? Sounds like a big concession by Japan if you ask me. If Japan owns it, they didn't need to ask China. It shows Japan has a weak claim and they know it.

???? Puzzling post. Japan has, on their own explored the resources as well as conducted an actual survey of the land itself as recently as last September.

Flowers.

False. The firing of patrol vessels along with killing Japanese fishermen occurred during the 50's and then the Japanese government asked the Korean counter parts to settle this matter via ICJ in 1954. Read the entire document instead of snipping small parts as if Japan is continuing such conduct.

As for the popularity issue, I have addressed this so I suggest you read my previous posts again. As to your perception that Abe's statements are contradictory, I again suggest read my post again for Abe has basically decided not to hold a dialogue under China's terms.

nigelboy Jan. 19, 2013 - 05:15AM JST This whole entire episode is appease her brainwashed masses into believing that China does have effective control of the islands.

If Japan has definite ownership without doubt, why did Japan offer to explore resources jointly with China? Sounds like a big concession by Japan if you ask me. If Japan owns it, they didn't need to ask China. It shows Japan has a weak claim and they know it.

Japan does not own the islands. The UN, Europeans and even the US don't recognize Japanese claim. According to Japanese terms of surrender, Japan was required to return the islands back to China. So please stop saying Japan owns the islands and start to negotiate with the Chinese to find a solution before this issue turns into a shooting match which no one will win. Mr Hatoyama is a person who is willing to confront reality and try to find a solution that is a win win for both countries. Rather than trying to rewrite history, Japan should resolve all past issues and move forward and become the leader in Asia. Japanese culture and Japanese innovative spirit is something all Asians can learn from but Japanese right wingers continue to drag the whole country backwards with their radical claims and viewpoints.

nigelboy, this is according to Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan, “Japan has repeatedly protested against the ROK's actions, such as claims of sovereignty over Takeshima, fishing activities around Takeshima, firing at patrol vessels and the construction of structures on the island.” So, this is a civilized nation did, there wouldn’t be any firing if there was no vessels around the area, don’t you think. Again, this is by the book, there would not be any infringement when China has the sovereignty over the islands, understand? So, what about popularity and contradictory remarks, no response to that?

Let’s say if it was a reverse, China had administered the islands and refused to talk, and then Japan tried to assert sovereignty, wouldn’t Japan send in some vessels to establish some kind of controls?

I'll give you a real example. Takeshima/Dokdo is admnistered by Korea. Korea refused to discuss the dispute with Japan. Japan has not tried to assert sovereignty by sending any vessels. Is that clear enough for you? This is called a natural response by a civilized nation.

So again, stop sending survelance ships/airplanes for any nation will scramble their defense when infringed upon. Do you not understand this simple rule? And if and when China has done this is the only time Japan should having talks to China to put the "relations back on track".

What is there to talk about? If you have control over rocks, you own it. Just ask the Russians about the Northern Territory issues. The PRC navy isn't strong enough to force the issue. Anyone can look at the map of China and see that the PRC aircraft carrier can be bottled-up in Dailan.

nigelboy, You didn’t even answer my questions. I said before China did everything by the book. Let’s say if it was a reverse, China had administered the islands and refused to talk, and then Japan tried to assert sovereignty, wouldn’t Japan send in some vessels to establish some kind of controls? This is a natural response, don’t make a big deal. Besides, what did Japan respond, sending in fighter jets to go after Chinese non-military plane and always out-numbered China. Now, think who is more aggressive and bullying. With regards to popularity, you are way off the point there. I was comparing Japanese PM to Chinese PM, you couldn’t find anything about Chinese PM making provoking and accusing remarks about Japan, could you? Considering this “Abe said before his inauguration that Japan sees China as one of its most important diplomatic relationships and promised to pull their soured bilateral relations back on track. Recent moves by the Abe government, however, not only broke the prime minister's word but rapidly heightened tensions with China”. Even Abe’s own words are contradictory. So, who is being brainwashed here?

Flowers,

First and foremost, it's clearly apparent that the Japanese government AT LEAST administers the islands, correct? Now to get back to your provoking, how many Chinese survey vessel entered the territorial waters of Senkaku since Mid September of 2012 despite the protest from the Japanese government? Answer. At least 30 times. This sort of tactic, in grand scale, is used by North Korea everytime they feel they're not getting the attention from other nations especially U.S. thereby firing or planning long range missiles or conducting nuclear test. In essence, this tactic allows nations to finally negotiate under North Korean terms. Same crap, but much miniscule method is used by China today but Japan isn't buying it.

As for Chinese ledership seeking popularity among his/her people, you got to be kidding me right? This whole entire episode is appease her brainwashed masses into believing that China does have effective control of the islands. Why do you think they confiscated 750,000 maps in the last 5 years which state otherwise? Even in this recent visit by Loopy, it got quite bit of press coverage in China despite the fact that he is no longer anybody significant as per earlier post.

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20130118-00000079-mai-cn.view-000

Up to this point there is no longer room for negotiations unless Abe changes his tune abruptly, this could happen considering high-level Japanese officials’ remarks seems to be contradictory and untrustworthy.

You figure China would of gotten the message by now.

yeah action speaks louder than words.. (sarcastic), seems to me their propaganda issues inside china has hurt itself! foreign direct investment from japan suddenly drained out and business is becoming bad, and japan and the reset of south east asian nations are joining forces against china's greed.

nigelboy, back it up. If China unilaterally developed gas fields in the area what would be the reaction from Japan then? Hell, believe me we wouldn’t see the end of it from the beginning. You call China seeking negotiations childish tacts, how do you come to that conclusion? It would seem China is doing everything by the book. J govt, on the other hand, has been accusing and blaming China, making tough talks and promoting tension in the region, the finger is pointing at J govt as portraying childish behaviour. Can you find anything that Chinese PM said about Japan that considered to be provoking, if you can find one I will rest my case? In any event, do you really think that there should be an element of surprise here? From what you have described J govt has already been preparing for war and not to mention those army exercises and drills. As is said in the article, “Nothing will change right away since Abe is taking a hard line and is busy building up his popularity and consolidating his power”. Do you see Chinese PM seeking popularity? Do you think Abe was successful in those recent visits? This is what Thailand said about China on the same day of his visit to Thailand, “developing friendly ties with China is the consensus of the Thai royal family, government, legislature and society”. Up to this point there is no longer room for negotiations unless Abe changes his tune abruptly, this could happen considering high-level Japanese officials’ remarks seems to be contradictory and untrustworthy.

Chinese chess is very duplicitous. Little by little, this monster that we created in the 1970's by "opening up" China is forging an insane case for Chinese sovereignty over the world. This latest gambit makes Japan vulnerable to a simple pawn move by calling the sovereignty of Japanese islands into question. So why is Japan responding to such a ludicrous suggestion? Don't. Hatoyama, of course, is a traitor and would soon give up Okinawa as well in order to appease an aggressor who will only grow more bold.

Stay the course. We have an increased US military presence in the region to ensure your security. We have launched a ‘strategic dialogue’ with Vietnam to bring more pressure on China. We have secured a ‘comprehensive partnership’ with Indonesia that guarantees military and economic strength to Chinese regional hegemony. We are launching new defense ties with Cambodia and the Philippines to hold China in check. We are strengthening existing security relationships with India, South Korea, and Singapore to ensure peace in our time and a Co-Prosperity Sphere. This is the foundation upon which we have set Abe to work in his ASEAN tour, solidifying Japanese predominance in the East China Sea and the South China Sea. Stay the course.

What else are we doing to contain Chinese aggression? We have deployed more forces to Guam for rapid offense and defense, reached a better understanding with the government of Japan about the use of force during crises (which Abe will finalize by institutionalizing a re-interpretation of your pacifist constitution), increased our surveillance and patrolling along China’s vast coasts (which we do within China's EEZ without confrontation or argument), continue selling more arms and advance defensive systems to Taiwan to deter Beijing from using coercive means, and routinely engage in classified efforts to counter China’s missile threat to US warships.

So now, if ruling groups in Beijing continue to act on the notion that the Chinese don’t need the industrial democracies of the US, EU and Japan by simply imposing an imperial agenda upon their neighbors while expecting its military assertiveness to be treated as national justice, then we'll shut China down. Just as Deng "opened up" China to our influence, we will take it back down to dung carts and dung stoves...without ever having to fire a shot in anger.

Just as Korea refuses talks over Dokdo/Takeshima. I wonder why that is .

False. Korea has refused Japan's request to settle this dispute via ICJ. The possibility of negotiatingand settling this issue bilaterally (without third party intervention) has been over for decades which is acknowledged by both parties.

The issue of sovereignty was supposed to be put aside until the next generation as agreed by the past leaders of both countries but Japan broke its promise

Could of swore it was China that went on and unilaterally develop gas fields without permission from Japan citing that the islands were "inherent part of China since ancient times" routine. I believe China long broke the promise so citing some conversation during the early 70's is meaningless, IMO. So yeah. After Japan counters by strengthing their soverignty is not only natural but China seeking negotiations by using childish tacts now is like "WTF??"

Here's another lesson. When you announce to the whole world that you are preparing for war, you are only interested in how the opposition will react since the element of surprise is completely gone. Japan, namely Abe cabinet, responded by proposing a new defence strategy which will include more efficient mobilization towards to islands in the proposed budget. It was also reported that due to recent China's encroachment to Japan's air space, U.S. AWACS has been operating the area since then. This, of course, paved way for the long overdue revision of the "THE GUIDELINES FOR JAPAN-U.S. DEFENSE COOPERATION " which both parties agree to formulate with added emphasis on how to deal with China. With Abe's recent visit to Thailand, Vietnam, and Indonesia and FM visit to Phillipines, it's pretty clear that the current administration would only "negotiate" with China unless she starts behaving like an adult first which is to stop the unneccessary encroachment to the area.

Just as Korea refuses talks over Dokdo/Takeshima. I wonder why that is .

However, the policy of the U.S. and the Allies has been that Takeshima and Senkaku that they are Japanese territory. If everything the U.S. government decided from 1940-1952 is meaningless, then these are both meaningless, but I believe Douglas Effin MacArthur saying he supports Japan's claim (there's a signed letter) carries just a little weight.

As if it would do any good (in the case of Dokdo).

Some people here talked about the islands being strategic location and rich in undersea resources as reasons for China to try to take them. Have you thought about the time gap of 40 years since early 70’s that China with the knowledge of the strategic location and resources did not do or say anything about the sovereignty of the islands? The issue of sovereignty was supposed to be put aside until the next generation as agreed by the past leaders of both countries but Japan broke its promise. Since the beginning China has been asking Japan for talks and according to the above article “Japan has steadfastly refused China’s past calls to hold talks over the islands, with Tokyo arguing that it holds sovereignty over the islets and thus there is nothing to negotiate”. Not that China waited until now to ask for talks but it was Japan all along who did not want to talk. J govt has been accusing China left and right, but we don’t see Chinese govt saying anything to provoke Japan. Japanese high level officials have been contradicting each other in their remarks and projecting the lack of sincerity and trustworthiness for all to see. Eventually both sides will hold talks but according to veteran analysts it is likely the talks would be after both sides engaged in a localized war. We all heard that Chinese army has been prepped for war already. As for the US possible involvement, China has been talking to Russia about it and according to the news Russia has various reasons to be angry with the US. Why do you think Obama did not want to see Abe now? If you believe that Obama was too busy, you are very naïve. This might be the last attempt on the Chinese side to try to negotiate with Japan.

who verified those data? you put your trust in chinese sattistic data? i'd rather trust the Russian more. Also, back in 1968 when Japan surpassed Germany to become #2 in the world and with an annual growth rate of 12%(way higher than the slow ass growth rate of China, if you want me to put it that way), had anyone ever thought of that Japan is the same Japan nowaday?

Yep. What Dog can't distinguish is the difference between "developing" and "developed" nations especially in China when almost half of their GDP consists of Gross fixed capital formation while their household consumption is hovering around 30 percentile for 7 years straight.

PRC is in it's prime economically being the 2nd in the world at present, US and JP are 1st and 3rd respectectively. PRC's chance to realize a reunification quest is now the present while at it's strongest. It's now or never for them, the Senkakus will serve as their biggest prize or biggest hurdle. The islands are strategically located in the mouth of the Pacific serving like a gate. Whoever will control the gate will have the Pacific on their palms, commercially and militarily. Nobody is ignorant of what the PRC is trying to achieve in this ordeal, as well as the notorious bullying and killing in some surrounding countries. PRC will not stop pushing, playing bully and a two face joker just to get what they are eyeing for. Sad thing is, #1 and #3 will NEVER let that happen. So in 2021, in their 100th H_A, it won't be that happy as they have wished for, and worse is, there might be NO more PRC in existence. Broken down into small regions, un-unified and separate. PRC in the 20th century is history the world would never forget.

China wants the Senkakus for strategic reasons, because its navy is bottled up close to its coast and cannot sail into the Pacific without passing through Japanese territory It will need to be able to do so to challenge the US Navy and also encircle Taiwan

Trying to take the Island by force is a direct challenge to the US Navy because the US is obliged to honor the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation. Japan owns the Islands, plain and simple and an attack on those islands which are withing spitting distance of the Okinawan military bases would be an incredible thing to do.

I feel that they are just testing the waters at this point. I don't think China wants a war with the US Navy. Or the Japanese Navy, for that matter.

Are these rocks -- even with their potentially lucrative energy and fishing reserves -- really worth a damned war?

This is one of the myths being perpetrated by the shortsighted media. China wants the Senkakus for strategic reasons, because its navy is bottled up close to its coast and cannot sail into the Pacific without passing through Japanese territory. It will need to be able to do so to challenge the US Navy and also encircle Taiwan, with which it hopes to achieve reunification by 2021, the year that China observes its communist party's 100th anniversary. The Sankei Shimbun very astutely reported this last autumn.

Japan in fact owns and adminsters the Senkakus. Just as South Korea in fact owns and administers those paltry rocks in the Sea of Japan. In this day and age, when you get to a point that a battle between ideals and reality can result in catastrophic consequences, it's the wiser bet to just accept the reality, gracefully bow out of the argument, and refocus your energies on something more productive.

Here's the reality for both of these territory disputes: Regardless of what the ICJ might rule, Japan is not going to give the Senkakus up without a fight. No matter how much economic pressure China puts on Japan. No matter how many riots are sponsored by the Chinese government. No matter how many Japanese businesses are looted under the watchful eye of Chinese police. No matter how many innocent Japanese civilians are brutally attacked and injured in China. Japan's not giving them up.

Just as South Korea is most definitely not going to give up the Liancourts without a fight.

Which leaves only one pertinent question to the sides pursuing these wholly corrosive claims: Are these rocks -- even with their potentially lucrative energy and fishing reserves -- really worth a damned war? Because that's what it's going to take, if the history of these nations and how much value they place on national pride is any indication.

Anyone with a shred of moral and/or intellectual honestly would have to say no, they aren't worth a war. No, they really actually aren't.

So drop it already.

"Having the second biggest economy in the world and growing by 7+ % is an economy that others would die for"

who verified those data? you put your trust in chinese sattistic data? i'd rather trust the Russian more. Also, back in 1968 when Japan surpassed Germany to become #2 in the world and with an annual growth rate of 12%(way higher than the slow ass growth rate of China, if you want me to put it that way), had anyone ever thought of that Japan is the same Japan nowaday?

"if Japan keeps up with its stupid posturing and the US doesn't wake up to the fact that the Japan of the 21st Century is more like the Japan of the 1930s, than the one they left in 1952."

i think you are mistaken between the J and C.

VirtuosoJan. 18, 2013 - 02:09PM JST

It's interesting that this magnanimous proposal comes out the same week of China's GDP growth figures, which fell to 7.8%, the weakest since 1999.

And Japan's economy shrank by 1%.

Having the second biggest economy in the world and growing by 7+ % is an economy that others would die for; which no doubt young Americans might well be doing, if Japan keeps up with its stupid posturing and the US doesn't wake up to the fact that the Japan of the 21st Century is more like the Japan of the 1930s, than the one they left in 1952.

Ah China, turn over the islands and the seas, for a small cash offer, then another set of islands closer to the main islands will be next. fishing will be out since it belongs to china, and their waters will extend 200 miles past the senkakus

would like a better source though, the perspective is always Chinese not just here but in other news media around the world. So you read this article, it mentions disputed island, Daiyou islands, Japanese war time atrocities, various Chinese experts. it's like the AP and others is really a mouthpiece for the communist party anymore

It's interesting that this magnanimous proposal comes out the same week of China's GDP growth figures, which fell to 7.8%, the weakest since 1999.

If it weren't for the former PM, China would not even bother of reminding Japan on having talks about the issue but nevertheless we all know Abe would not simply end this cold war by acknowledge such dispute exist and engage talks but continue to fight until either one of them collapse financially which after that no one would know for sure what are the next steps.

@YuriOtani I think you are confused with Japan. mass murders and UN human rights Violation is Japan, at least the Chinese dont claim to be a Democracy!

The CCP is showing its poor skills in external affairs.

Due to the technocrats trying to be politians.

Japan was always going to the more obdurate party.

Unless they have already made a filing with the ICJ which has been rejected by Japan. Is that the case?

Nope. Never. China never dared mentioned the word "ICJ".

Dog,

What Samurai is talking about is the Declaration Recognizing the jurisdiction of the court As compulsory in which Japan is a signatory of.

http://www.icj-cij.org/jurisdiction/index.php?p1=5&p2=1&p3=3

Thanks for that Dog. I admit I know very little about the ICJ. Still, from your quote it seems like the ball is in China's court as Samurai suggests. Unless they have already made a filing with the ICJ which has been rejected by Japan. Is that the case?

hidingoutJan. 18, 2013 - 11:08AM JST

I love it when disinformation gets slapped down like this. Well done Samurai.

You'll love it even more, with Samurai acting in his usual modus operandi, and is completely wrong

The ICJ is a standing U.N. judicial body to judge territorial and other disputes between states. For the court to start proceedings on a case that was not filed jointly, it is necessary for a defendant country to approve it upon the filing of the case by a plaintiff country. http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T130109004622.htm

Human Rights II would have to write the Peoples Republic of China though Red China is shorter. Taiwan is really The Republic of China. There are two China's and not one. Accepting what the Red Chinese write is admitting they are right and legitimate. Their government is the biggest mass murderer in history.

The problem with talks is they lead nowhere. Red China will say the islands and continental shelf and Okinawa Trench are their EEZ. Japan could co-develop the gas fields. Complete nonsense since without an island Japan can not develop the field. They could drill wells but there is no place where it can be collected and shipped. Red China will insist on their terms, so what is there to talk about?

Comprehension is not your strong point, is it?

Sorry I comprehend English words only when used correctly. Communist china shares no values in common with the western world and is nothing but a factory for the developed world. Is that what "ally" means to you?

PRC does not need Japan's consent to take it to ICJ since Japan is compulsory member. Therefore it's in PRC's court.

I love it when disinformation gets slapped down like this. Well done Samurai.

"He/she meant economic ally"

What the hell is an "economic ally".? Do people here make up words to help protect fellow posters now?? I'm mean, seriously. Some U.S/EU companies are doing well in China while some U.S./EU company absolutely refused to engage in China based on prior bad taste and quite possibly due to their recent uncivilized riots which advertised to the whole world what "China Risk" is without hiring an expensive consultant to do so.

It's funny that China use to summon the likes of Ozawa to pressure the Japanese government/cabinet but since he reduced to "insignificant', now they rely on a retired lawmaker who has absolutely NO INFLUENCE. Seriously. What is Loopy going to do? Call Abe? Do people seriously think that Abe is going to take his call?

Like I said, you knew that majority of the population in Japan either have unfavorable opinion or completely tuned them out thanks to those riots. Hence, China is now reduced to summoning a retired lawmaker who nobody listens at home.

tian4670

PRC does not need Japan's consent to take it to ICJ since Japan is compulsory member. Therefore it's in PRC's court.

Dog

Last year's overall Japanese car sales in mainland china was only down by 4% and if you look at the New Gauge for messuring export you'll find that majority of products exported to PRC are componets that are utilized to creating a finished product that is then exported to other parts of the world. So without Japanese components PRC will have very few finished products to export.

http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20130116D1601A08.htm

We sell Gas and all our resources to them

Who is "we"? And why are you selling "all" your resources to the communists? Maybe you are Australian ... sadly for Australians they have let socialist governments sell off waaay too much of their country's interests to communist china.

As for Europe and the US .... among the western world there are few countries viewed with more distrust and skepticism than communist china. I repeat, communist China is in no way considered an "ally" by any freedom loving democratic nation. Your claim to the contrary is baseless.

and they supply us with the finished goods we need.

Shoddy finished products made by workers with none of the "human rights" your handle suggests you value. Personally I'd rather do without than buy "made in china", so no, I don't "need" any of their finished products.

Thank you @Dog and @tian4670 Spot on!

Japan wants to refer Dokto dispute to ICJ, but refuses to even talk of Senkaku/Diaoyu dispute. This is clearly an application of double standard. A responsible country will not behave like that on international stage.

hidingoutJan. 18, 2013 - 10:20AM JST

Good one. The US and Europe are in no way "allies" of the communists. We can count the true friends of China on one or two fingers.

Comprehension is not your strong point, is it?

He/she meant economic ally and yes GM, Hyundi and BMW are doing nicely in China, thank you very much, while the Japanese are reduced to currency manipulation and firing the first shots in a currency war, to try and sell their goods.

All for a few rocks in the middle of nowhere, which she annexed illegally.

Seems to me China is offering Japan a way out of their (Japanese) stupid posing and for the sake of very quickly declining and indebted economy, Japan would be stupid not to take up the offer.

If so why doesn't China file a claim at the ICJ? Why does it resort to "putting pressure" on Japan?

OssanAmerica, both nations must agree to let ICJ to handle the issue, before ICJ can do anything. Japan still refuse this route.

@hidingout We are business allies with China, go back to High School. Everything we own and trade is made in China. We sell Gas and all our resources to them and they supply us with the finished goods we need.

(china's) major allies are the US and Europe and Australia.

Good one. The US and Europe are in no way "allies" of the communists. We can count the true friends of China on one or two fingers.

China wants to talk, JP refuses, very immature

Now china wants to talk - after months of destroying japanese property, making inflammatory remarks through their puppet media and harassing self defense forces around the Senkaku islands. Like a little kid throwing a tantrum ... which is the immature party in this disagreement again?

And as a show of good faith, how about if the chinese cease and desist from sending ships and aircraft into the area that has been internationally recognized to be legitimately under Japanese control? That would be a good start.

@sveinnyves China doesnt depend on Japan for its business. Its major allies are the US and Europe and Australia. JPs tactics are a drop in a bucket.

@YuriOtani Calling Chinese Red Chinese shows your unexplainable hatred. Sense dictates diplomatic talks. China is bigger than Japan and you will be in shock the moment a War breaks out. Is it worth destroying your tiny island of Japan just because an old man in power doesnt want to negotiate? Life is about negotiations, adaptations, flexibility. All points that Abe lacks those fundamental qualities. At the end, JP will be the biggest loser in this dispute. You might or not gain a little island but you will lose much more. China wants to talk, JP refuses, very immature, Proud and inconsistent with a Democratic Gov.

Deadlock until whichever has the whatever to start extracting.

talks? How can 2 buyers of the same single product talk and settle? by buying half? imho, the matter should be decided by an ICJ and that's the end of that.

sveinnyvesJan. 18, 2013 - 09:13AM JST

One more thing, china dont want war? yeah action speaks louder than words.. (sarcastic), seems to me their propaganda issues inside china has hurt itself! foreign direct investment from japan suddenly drained out and business is becoming bad, and japan and the reset of south east asian nations are joining forces against china's greed. China has a lot to be worried about because of its own stu*** actions and its consequences.

Do you ever pick a newspaper?

China's annual growth has just been announced at 8% They're doing fine, thank you very much.

While Japan, because of Ishihara's idiotic acts and the Chinese public's boycott of Japanese products, is shrinking.

Some people who post on here are unbelievable. A few more victorys like this for Japan and ......

Four months after the smoke cleared from the wreckage of Japanese factories and retail stores in China, the Chinese government has retroactively begun to think about the consequences of its actions.

Too late for his, I'd say. Ignoring the Chinese, and not allowing them to enter again this space is what can be done now.

japan in this case is like korea with the takeshima/dokdo, no negotiation because it is ours statement and refuse dialogue. Whats the difference. If both sides really want to solve this, both can agree to solve it with the international court of justice with their proof of ownership.

One more thing, china dont want war? yeah action speaks louder than words.. (sarcastic), seems to me their propaganda issues inside china has hurt itself! foreign direct investment from japan suddenly drained out and business is becoming bad, and japan and the reset of south east asian nations are joining forces against china's greed. China has a lot to be worried about because of its own stu*** actions and its consequences.

"Japan has steadfastly refused China’s past calls to hold talks over the islands, with Tokyo arguing that it holds sovereignty over the islets and thus there is nothing to negotiate."

Why do Japan keep saying they have soverignt over the islets? Facts are Japan has only administrative rights that was handed down from the U.S. Okinawa agreement. Nothing more.

Eventually both sides have to sit down and talk. So, why insisting that the dispute does not exist when everybody knows there is a dispute and it is a big one? Now you can see that Japan is a bully. Only a bully would not admit it, would not want to talk, would run around finding buddies, and then would pick a fight. So if the conflicting remarks exist, there is an implication that there is a doubt among the Japanese with regards to the sovereignty of the islands. China gets another point.

"he has lost influence under new Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe"

False. Loopy lost his influence a long time ago after his resignation as a PM. He officially became a NOBODY when he retired. His visit to China, therefore, is for the Chinese government to advertise their ignorant masses that there are people in Japan who sympathize with China when in reality, most of the Japanese have tuned them out or have absolutely no sympathy for them thanks to last year's uncivilized riots.

There is nothing to talk about. "talks" with Red China mean agreeing to surrender these islands to them. The size of the EEZ might be open but these islands are part of Japan. Any Chinese military going in there is an act of war. It would be the Red Chinese throwing the first punch.

Conflicting remarks again, Japanese like to do this a lot and recently it was Abe who wanted to change the Apology Statement of the atrocities because he didn’t like what the past PM said. Maybe they just enjoy contradicting each other, so how can we find sincerity from the Japanese side. The Chinese seem to sing the same tune throughout with strong resolve. So, this might be the last chance that China wanted to talk.

As if Hatoyama didn't do enough to disgrace his country while he was PM ....

"“China doesn’t actually want a military confrontation. It is using the dispatch of ships and planes as a means of putting pressure on Japan to at least admit that a dispute over the islands exist,” said Zhu Feng"

If so why doesn't China file a claim at the ICJ? Why does it resort to "putting pressure" on Japan?