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At preventing (re)infections, natural immunity is much much much better.

No, it is not, because it requires for the person to be infected and run the full risks once, which means it is as useful as losing your hand to prevent further accidental amputations. What you want to prevent already happened, that is not "better", it is by all means worse.

More kids died in Japan last year after getting the vaccine than died from Covid

Since it is perfectly logical that kids at a much higher risk of death because of serious health problems are

1.- vaccinated as soon as possible

2.- isolated by all possible means to avoid infection.

This means your argument is not proof of anything, selection bias is enough to explain the differences. A different case would be if you could present epidemiological evidence that children have a higher risk of dying than a group with the same demographics, but since you obviously don't have that information your argument is still baseless.

The virus is now much milder, but not the vaccine. 

Omicron is much more risky than any of the vaccines, you keep repeating the opposite but when asked for evidence to support this you never present any, that would indicate this is just a baseless personal opinion that is openly contradicted by the scientific consensus.

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Obviously you would provide proof for this if you had any.

Again, since you have provided no reference whatsoever an expert have ever said this, this page is proof that it is false. This conversation is the evidence that your argument is baseless.

So, you have zero evidence again.

No, it is you who can't provide any evidence, thus proving my point.

You keep making claims without any supporting evidence

I explicitly asked you what evidence is the one that you imagine would be necessary, your lack of response clearly shows you now understand there is no evidence necessary, it also shows that you have no argument to disprove the logic used in my argument. It is a roundabout way to openly recognize you are wrong but I guess not everybody have the capacity of recognizing being wrong.

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Considering the high vaccination rate, it also means that being vaccinated is terribly bad protection against being infected.

The huge difference is that even if both things have limited efficacy in preventing infections the vaccines represent a much lower risk,

At preventing (re)infections, natural immunity is much much much better. And vaccines are not lower risk. More kids died in Japan last year after getting the vaccine than died from Covid. The virus is now much milder, but not the vaccine. And the vaccine is risky every time you get it...

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Yeah, and 5X 10% is 50%. So we are somewhere between 50% and 100%. As we get closer to 100%, the numbers will come down. Note that about 20% are pre-omicron.

That still means you contradict your previous conclusion that being infected gives enough protection against reinfection. If according to you most of the population is already "immune" by being infected that means it is doing nothing to prevent infections according to the current numbers. You still are contradicting yourself.

Considering the high vaccination rate, it also means that being vaccinated is terribly bad protection against being infected.

The huge difference is that even if both things have limited efficacy in preventing infections the vaccines represent a much lower risk, so the only logical option is to vaccinate/boost as indicated by the medical experts because even if you are still at a risk of infection the serious complications are much more reduced, being infected on the other hand still fails to prevent a new infection with the added costs of having to deal with the full risks of the infection, that are much more important that what comes with vaccines.

Unfortunately, many of those who have been infected were vaccinated, which has been shown to adversely affect the overall immune system

That is completely false and based on contradicting the conclusions of the authors of the report being misrepresented, if the authors conclude being vaccinated and boosted is better, even for people that were infected before the people that take their study to say the opposite are obviously presenting false information in an effort to mislead people.

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About 1 in 10 Japanese have had a confirmed infection. I suspect the actual number is much higher (perhaps 5 - 10 X higher), 

According to your argument every case we see now (including hospitalized patients and deaths) are reinfections (since 10X of 10% is 100%),

Yeah, and 5X 10% is 50%. So we are somewhere between 50% and 100%. As we get closer to 100%, the numbers will come down. Note that about 20% are pre-omicron.

this means being infected is a terribly bad protection against being reinfected, the opposite of what you also believe. This self contradiction comes from believing contradictory things according to convenience.

Considering the high vaccination rate, it also means that being vaccinated is terribly bad protection against being infected. Unfortunately, many of those who have been infected were vaccinated, which has been shown to adversely affect the overall immune system...

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Kishida-san’s led LDP is the best in the World…at highest # cases per capita:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.html

thus of course its staffers are now all becoming infected. Rest assured though that there’s no need to worry as all of them also ride the packed Yamanote everyday like the rest of us.

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It is not a strawman. It is fact.

But you fail to produce any evidence of this ever been said by any expert, this proves the opposite, just a strawman invented by antiscience groups to have something to attack, even if nobody ever said it.

Do you have evidence that such statement was not said by any medical professionals?

The lack of any evidence of it being said is the evidence that proves the argument. When you leave to your opponent the task of proving your point you concede the fact that you are unable to do it.

It is not true that viruses would have eliminated all of civilization.

Since the comment explcicitly said leaving viruses be would do it that means it is false, what argument do you have to confirm the literal meaning of what is written is false?

Do you have any evidence such as a scientific study concluding this?

That is the point, the simple fact we are here, even living with viruses for millenia without effective measures means the argument is nonsense. What evidence do you believe is necessary to confirm humans are alive in the planet right now?

Do you have a medical study involving all the global experts in the world concluding the only option is to reduce the risk from infection from as much as possible? Let's see it.

You seem to be terribly confused between a logical argument and one that depends on evidence. What reference do you think is necessary to prove doing what is possible is the better option against doing what is impossible? can you make a logical argumentation about it? or are you just asking for evidence without any logic because you think that is an argument?

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Although I can't stand the CEO of Pfizer, I appreciate that he at least admitted on a few occasions that the vaccines have little effect on getting infected with omicron and transmitting it.

So now you advocate trusting CEOs when they contradict the scientific evidence? that is called having double standards and is evidence of deep bias.

The fact that the most heavily vaccinated countries tend to also have the highest case numbers might be partially due to these vaccines turning many people into asymptomatic spreaders

Whithout evidence this makes no sense, it is simply much more likely that those countries that have factors that increase the spreading are also those that put more effort in vaccinating their people, precisely to reduce the risk those infections can represent.

About 1 in 10 Japanese have had a confirmed infection. I suspect the actual number is much higher (perhaps 5 - 10 X higher), 

According to your argument every case we see now (including hospitalized patients and deaths) are reinfections (since 10X of 10% is 100%), this means being infected is a terribly bad protection against being reinfected, the opposite of what you also believe. This self contradiction comes from believing contradictory things according to convenience.

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Well, it is true, since people that keep repeating this strawman always fail to present evidence that experts ever said that vaccines would be effective at preventing infection no matter what variants appeared. Why stop correcting this piece of false information every time it is repeated?

It is not a strawman. It is fact.

Do you have evidence that such statement was not said by any medical professionals?

The people that professionally deal with vaccines, infections, epidemics, etc. explicitly contradicts your beliefs, what evidence do you have that demonstrate they are all wrong?

The people who were vaccinated and still infected outnumber those people professionally dealing with those vaccines, etc.

Humans have lived since forever with viruses, and for a long time very little could be done against the infection, if your theory was true there would be no civilization at all by now.

It is not true that viruses would have eliminated all of civilization. Do you have any evidence such as a scientific study concluding this?

When there is no realistic way to eradicate a virus the only option available is to reduce the risk from infection as much as possible and live with that.

Do you have a medical study involving all the global experts in the world concluding the only option is to reduce the risk from infection from as much as possible? Let's see it.

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Defeatist attitudes are not the solution to Covid. They allow the virus to mutate and infect more people, ensuring never ending pandemic pandemonium.

As long as people travel internationally the variants will find a way to survive. This is now the 7th wave and more will surely follow. Allowing oneself to catch each variant is clearly not a viable strategy. I don’t claim to have the answer but being safe and following precautions seems to be the only way forward.

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If you want to keep denying realty go right ahead. I will enjoy my social life with my friends and family, travel to many countries that don't have useless entry restrictions and take a nice breath of fresh air without a mask (including indoors - gasp!)

Until you end up sick, which is likely to be very soon. Stock up on water and emergency foods,

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nothing to see here. Everyone will get it sooner or later. The sooner we accept that the sooner we move on.

Yes, if we haven't already. About 1 in 10 Japanese have had a confirmed infection. I suspect the actual number is much higher (perhaps 5 - 10 X higher), so the vast majority of us have already been infected, even if we didn't notice it, and the number of cases will come down soon as we achieve herd immunity.

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It’s just a flu, staff can get 10 days holiday.

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nothing to see here. Everyone will get it sooner or later. The sooner we accept that the sooner we move on.

I might someday catch Covid…. But I‘ll continue to be a highly responsible adult in the vast majority of responsible adults! Such a positive outlook too … only about 115 million people to get since we’re all going to be infected…. Can’t move on from dead …. These Covid deniers are getting more ridiculous by the day ….

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Yeah, it seems more suitable for the Yahoo Japan site.

Absolutely. What a vile mess of nationalist nonsense that site is.

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Instead of doubling down on the "we never said the vaccines would prevent infection" walkback, people should drop their egos and admit honestly that the vaccines have underperformed drastically.

Indeed!

Although I can't stand the CEO of Pfizer, I appreciate that he at least admitted on a few occasions that the vaccines have little effect on getting infected with omicron and transmitting it.

The fact that the most heavily vaccinated countries tend to also have the highest case numbers might be partially due to these vaccines turning many people into asymptomatic spreaders; they have little (if any) effect on viral load while reducing symptoms...

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This implies that even as a top official he was under the impression that the vaccines would prevent infection, because that was the prevailing narrative last year.

No, it implies that all the measures taken (including but not only vaccination) help reducing the risk of getting infected, which is completely true.

Instead of doubling down on the "we never said the vaccines would prevent infection" walkback

Well, it is true, since people that keep repeating this strawman always fail to present evidence that experts ever said that vaccines would be effective at preventing infection no matter what variants appeared. Why stop correcting this piece of false information every time it is repeated?

people should drop their egos and admit honestly that the vaccines have underperformed drastically.

The people that professionally deal with vaccines, infections, epidemics, etc. explicitly contradicts your beliefs, what evidence do you have that demonstrate they are all wrong?

It’s a simple math thing. The viruses are small but outnumber us humans more and more. So if you continue to embrace with them, they’ll just suffocate us individuals as well as in in economy and society.

Humans have lived since forever with viruses, and for a long time very little could be done against the infection, if your theory was true there would be no civilization at all by now.

When there is no realistic way to eradicate a virus the only option available is to reduce the risk from infection as much as possible and live with that.

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It’s a simple math thing. The viruses are small but outnumber us humans more and more. So if you continue to embrace with them, they’ll just suffocate us individuals as well as in in economy and society. But I don’t expect enough people to be capable of even only simplest math, so they’ll all highly probably continue with statements like we have to ignore that and go on living happily with the viruses. The problem is, it that just can’t and won’t work.

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This is what happens when you cave into foreign pressure and up the borders to foreigners.

Says the person writing in a foreign language. Weird.

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This is what happens when you cave into foreign pressure and up the borders to foreigners.

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Instead of doubling down on the "we never said the vaccines would prevent infection" walkback, people should drop their egos and admit honestly that the vaccines have underperformed drastically.

They have underperformed insofar as they do not fully block the virus.

But in comparison to no vaccine, they perform immensely better, and there is no comparison.

Oh sorry, did you want me to leave the real world out of your rhetoric? My bad.

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Not only the plebeians that catch Covid.

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Kishida is always taking off his mask at the first opportunity so if he becomes infected then he’ll be the one at fault no doubt!

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