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Trump to inspect Japanese destroyer with Abe in late May

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Ironic that Trump will tour a Japanese carrier named the "Kaga", the namesake of an aircraft carrier of the same name, that participated in the Pearl Harbor bombing and other actions as well, during WWII.

It also was sunk at the Battle of Midway!

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@Yubaru

Warship names are generally recycled to new warships of the same or similar class.

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The "Art of Losing $1 Billion" author is visiting - I'm sure the Japanese are thrilled.

Please, please Donnie don't do anything to embarrass our country and make yourself look like an imbecile and a fool - we know how hard that will be...

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Many Naval ships have geographical names, as US battleships did. The JMSDF Kaga is named after the province of Kaga 加賀, now Ishikara Prefecture) as was the IJNS Kaga of WWII. Really don't see anything "ironic" about it.

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Ishikawa

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BeefDelivery Guy,

What you say may be right -- warships' names are usually recycled, but suppose the Air Force One that will carry Trump to Tokyo was named the Enola Gay, what would the Japanese people feel about it?

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Air Force One is, always has, and always will be named “Air Force One.”

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Trump to inspect Japanese destroyer with Abe in late May

Is that before or after the election? Ah, just before. OK.

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Say what? No golf party?

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Warship names are generally recycled to new warships of the same or similar class.

The irony is in the name of the ship, whose forefather was a part of the destruction of Pearl Harbor.

The same "tour" could have been held on the Kaga's sister ship, the Izumo. Seeing as how neither Trump nor Abe care much for protocol or political niceties, it doesnt matter.

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Interesting how another article here said our military will purchase the cheaper F-35A, now it is the more expensive F-35B in this article. We need helicopters not planes.

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We need helicopters not planes.

Actually Osprey, not helicopters!

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The same "tour" could have been held on the Kaga's sister ship, the Izumo. Seeing as how neither Trump nor Abe care much for protocol or political niceties, it doesnt matter.

The name is part of JMSDF and Japan's history and we have to deal with it.  There are many US warships named for victories and defeats that have made similar visits.  What about the USS BATAAN, named after the defeat in the Philippines and the forced march of US and Filipino troops to prison camps, or the USS CHOSIN, and I could go on and on.

The fact that he is visiting a JMSDF ship is a good thing and should be seen as that.

The "Art of Losing $1 Billion" author is visiting - I'm sure the Japanese are thrilled

Business losses back during the Reagan admin and he wrote about it. It was the talk of the news 30 years ago and now it's news?  How about this, Hillary lost upwards of $768 million (from Washington Post) in one year and lost, so a billion over a decade is still a better rate.

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Fun fact. There is a difference between an aircraft being given a name and its actual call sign. Air Force One is the call sign given to any fixed wing aircraft that the US president is fly on at the time, regardless of that aircraft's name, ie "Enola Gay" or "maidens delight" etc etc. If the US president was flying in a Cessna light plane its call sign would be "Air force One" for the duration.

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Goodluck, there are two separate orders here. 100 of the more capable F-35A version for longer-runway land-based operations.

The F-35B version is a separate order STOL for less-capable operations from shorter flight decks at sea.

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History probably wasn't one of Trump's better subjects

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A pun conjured up by Yubaru's take on this story: "Eek, 'Kaga' desu ka?"

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As we have discussed here before, the classification of these ships is clumsy, but they are destroyers in the sense of helicopter/Osprey-based ‘submarine destroyers’.

Their secondary, or longer-term and even possibly primary function, is with a subsequently strengthened deck to host vertical/short take-off and landing F-35Bs.

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Business losses back during the Reagan admin and he wrote about it. It was the talk of the news 30 years ago and now it's news? How about this, Hillary lost upwards of $768 million (from Washington Post) in one year and lost, so a billion over a decade is still a better rate.

How about you get your facts straight - the $1 Billion was lost during the period 1985 to 94 - Reagan was President during only three of those. He's as incompetent as a businessman as he is a President - what a loser...

Don't embarrass the US Donnie!

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BeerDeliveryGuy,

Of course, the Air Force One has been and will always remain so named in the future. There's little possibility it might be called the Enola Gay. 

But that's not a moot point here. The point at issue is how people may feel when they come across remnants of the old enmity of the past

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Both America and Japan have moved on since the war against the Japanese imperialist forces. Both countries are working together for defense so its natural that the president of America should visit a base or a ship whatever.

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I still find it strange that the Izumo & Kaga are called destroyers when it is obvious they are Aircraft Capable Carriers - with the curent crop of Helicopters, Ospreys etc being carried are namely that - aircraft.

Other terms are also used such as Flat Top Destroyer (flat top being a synonym for aircraft carrier) or simply Helicopter Carrier.

Modifications have also been carried out to allow their use by the F35B jets making them true aircraft carriers in every sense.

In addition the Kaga has been named after the original WW2 Kaga - an Aircraft Carrier.

So why not call them what they are?

There can only be one reason - Article 9 bans the use of offensive weapons and there is global consensus that aircraft carriers are offensive weapons, so just call it something else.

Bit like the Aircraft Carrier you're having, when you're not having an Aircraft Carrier.

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The "Art of Losing $1 Billion" author is visiting - I'm sure the Japanese are thrilled.

It was The Art of the Comeback. He recovered from his losses and against all odds got elected president, lincolnman. Tee hee!

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The sad point about Trump's bankruptcies are the contractors and their families who didn't get paid for work done or goods delivered. How many of them might have even lost their homes. Coming from a family of hundreds of years of self employment I'm only too aware of what happens when we don't get paid for our work. People like Trump are creeps but don't care about who they hurt stealing the next dollar.

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The "Art of Losing $1 Billion" author is visiting - I'm sure the Japanese are thrilled.

It was The Art of the Comeback. 1) He recovered from his losses and 2) against all odds got elected president,

And Trump says; "1) Thank you Daddy, and 2) thank you Vlad"......

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SerranoToday 01:49 pm JST

The "Art of Losing $1 Billion" author is visiting - I'm sure the Japanese are thrilled.

It was The Art of the Comeback. He recovered from his losses and against all odds got elected president, lincolnman. Tee hee!

Or as many believe he was funded directly by overseas meagalithic banks such as Deutsche Bank ( to the tune of $Billions) or Russian Inc corporations.

Quote : Eric Trump 2014 (well before Eyes Too Big for the Head Prez days) -

"We have all the funding we need out of Russia................. "We've got some guys that really, really love golf, and they're really invested in our programs. We just go there all the time."

So recovering from losses is not such an uphill battle if the Global Monetary Swamp is your playground.

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Mr President, as a fellow American, I have some small advice and suggestions for your upcoming visit, just so it goes smoothly....

1) Don't grab the Empress by the ___

2) Don't say that the Emperor's father was born in Germany...

3) Don't say the capitol of Japan is Beijing...

4) Don't suggest to Abe to build "a Wall" to keep the North Koreans from invading...

5) Don't say how proud you are of losing $1 Billion...

6) Don't say you're "in love" with Kim Jong Un - even if it's true...

7) And never, never utter the phrase; "Mark my words, mark my words"...

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a draft dodger inspecting military vessels has gotta be the...

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Interesting to note that Trump and the US Navy have no problem with the Rising Sun flag unlike the Koreans.

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The Kaga, a fast ship going in harms way. Soon, very soon, Japan will ships that make the Kaga look like boats.

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browny1 Today 01:30 pm JST

I still find it strange that the Izumo & Kaga are called destroyers when it is obvious they are Aircraft Capable Carriers - with the curent crop of Helicopters, Ospreys etc being carried are namely that - aircraft.

The Izumo/Kaga classes were designed to carry in principle to ship the Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey and the Boeing CH-47 Chinook. That's why they're so big. Those ships were designed between 1997 and 2004. And at that time Japan was still not planning to have the F-35B. Simply because I didn't need them at that time.

Other terms are also used such as Flat Top Destroyer (flat top being a synonym for aircraft carrier) or simply Helicopter Carrier.

For legal reasons. Article 9 is a very difficult bureaucratic burden to change. That is why they change the name of the ships to friendlier names.

Modifications have also been carried out to allow their use by the F35B jets making them true aircraft carriers in every sense.

The maximum operational capability of an F-35B combat aircraft from these ships is 5 to 7 combat fighters. If you compare it with the Russian Admiral Kuznetsov it is 17 combat fighters. The Chinese Liaoning 37 combat fighters. And the U.S. are among 90 or more than 100 combat fighters. Calling it a real aircraft carrier is a bad joke. It will only be a small carrier. Nothing more.

In addition the Kaga has been named after the original WW2 Kaga - an Aircraft Carrier.

Japan can name its ships by whatever name it wants. In this case following the name of old historical jurisdictional provinces.

So why not call them what they are?

There can only be one reason - Article 9 bans the use of offensive weapons and there is global consensus that aircraft carriers are offensive weapons, so just call it something else.

Bit like the Aircraft Carrier you're having, when you're not having an Aircraft Carrier.

You have to be aware that article 9 of his constitution is too obsolete. Written in 1947 and with the technological and geo-political parameters of that time. Nothing to do with the present time. And changing that article is very difficult because there is strong opposition in the Chamber of the National Diet. Many opposition parties to the government have not yet accepted the obsolescence of that article. And until they realize it. There will be no possible change to make that article more flexible that would allow Japan to have greater military autonomy.

One more note. Article 9 prohibits Japan from having any type of weapon. Not just offensives. JSDF should not exist. Literally. And as I said above. A small aircraft carrier of 5 to 7 combat fighters. There is nothing offensive about it. And it fits perfectly within the exclusively defensive capabilities. Like the Italian Cavour (C 550) or the Spanish Juan Carlos I (L-61).

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"The Izumo/Kaga classes were designed to carry in principle to ship the Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey and the Boeing CH-47 Chinook. "

Oh yeah?

Explain the followung then, please.

Thank you.

"Japan’s new class of “helicopter destroyer” vessels have secretly been designed for fixed-wing aircraft takeoff and landing (STOVL) operations, allowing them to serve as aircraft carriers toting around fifth-generation F-35B aircraft, a retired Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force recently told Asahi Shimbun."

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201802271062052939-japan-secretly-designed-destroyer-f-35/

"a study conducted by the Izumo’s builder, Marine United Corporation (MUC), earlier this year concluded that warship, along with its sister ship, JS Kaga, can be turned into aircraft carriers. The carrier has reportedly been designed to operate STOVL fighter jets all along and requires only minor modifications to accommodate the F-35B. "

https://thediplomat.com/2018/12/japan-to-convert-izumo-class-into-f-35-carrying-aircraft-carrier/

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following, sorry

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