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What does Taro Kōno know about Information Technology?

Japan is a country that has had a number of data leaks and problems with its MyNumber digital surveillance.

The Japanese government propaganda machine already seeks to bend the truth from telling us to laugh at radioactive exposure to the dangers of terrorism at airports.

In fact, there are laws in place to prevent civil servants from ‘telling the truth’

As long as it’s from the JGovt then it’s ok, right?

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a discussion titled "Understanding 'Data Free Flow with Trust (DFFT),'"

Do they have session to use fax to keep your data secure?

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A U.N. forum on public policy issues regarding the internet began in Kyoto on Sunday with focus on artificial intelligence and measures against disinformation.

Read an interesting take about AI alignment that states before getting AI that benefits humanity we need corporate alignment.

At present corporations have legal artificial personhood and enact predatory schemes that monopolize resources and harm the 99 percent and the planet.

The corporatocracy is the AI dystopia.

I doubt this is being addressed in Kyoto.

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Governments that ruin everything they touch are now determined to take control of the net and turn it into a universal surveillance system, tribalised within national boundaries. Apologise to your kids for the Orwellian dystopia they will have to live in.

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imagine if they would use the internet for their, ummm.... internet forum. think of the munny saved, not to mention the kinder approach to the 'climate crisis' by way of fewer jetsetters..... of course, the 5-star hotels in Kyoto would suffer, but hey....

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Well, you don't see the point. It's surely not about the outstanding expertise, it's simply for that someone pays the invoice for the events, provides nice accommodation, services and sightseeing places for free. Otherwise those AI events would normally be held where all the AI stems from and development takes place, let's for example say Silicon valley, India, Chine, wouldn't it?

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This is an interesting area, where AI is replacing humans in jobs, such as in the healthcare industry as is common knowledge among health professionals.

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@gcFd1

Even though there is no such phenomenon as AI in the present , the term is bandied around like it is.

As computing power becomes greater then more information can be stored.

This leads to larger databases which can be interrogated for information and can list inputted words together for more accuracy thus patients can now be diagnosed by machines.

Better than the average doctor ?

However,the day when a machine autonomously helps a patient up from the floor or performs a bed bath is a long long way off!

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However,the day when a machine autonomously helps a patient up from the floor or performs a bed bath is a long long way off!

Those machines already exist. For example, there are automated baths/showers in many facilities in the US.

There are robots that administer Covid tests.

Robots assist in surgery, reducing the number of humans necessary to perform the surgery.

The time is now.

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Kurisuripisu

What does Taro Kōno know about Information Technology?

Among other unreasonable things in your comment, you asked this question. You'd be surprised by how much he knows about this.

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This is an interesting area, where AI is replacing humans in jobs, such as in the healthcare industry as is common knowledge among health professionals.

It is difficult for something to be "common knowledge" if it is not happening. AI can still not conduct a mammogram study, but it can help the professional that does to do the job in a faster, easier way.

Those machines already exist

Automated baths do not pick up a patient from the floor nor give him a bed bath, those are process that are much more difficult and also extremely necessary.

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Automated baths do not pick up a patient from the floor nor give him a bed bath, those are process that are much more difficult and also extremely necessary.

Actually, such baths do exactly that.

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Actually, such baths do exactly that.

Exactly what? bath the patient in his bed so he do not have to go anywhere? how about a reference for this claim?

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There are many auto baths for the disabled and old including lifting a person into the bath. There are also baths with doors making it easy to enter before filling the bath with water. Drying is the problem and air dryers are expensive to install.

There are auto systems for bed baths.

There are robot operations. I had one for my cancer. The robot was operated by a trained surgeon. Less equipment in the operating room but still there were quite a few doctors and nurses. The robot operations are better for the patient and the recovery is quicker.

A famous New York hospital a couple of years ago operated on a patient in Germany with robots and via the Internet.

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There are many auto baths for the disabled and old including lifting a person into the bath.

Those are examples of things that actually exist, but a robot that actually performs the full bath of patients in their beds without needing help from anybody is still not something available. There is a huge difference between a robot that does part of a job, or even one single task and a robot that can do everything a human do in a job. The first kind can facilitate the work or the person, the second one (a much more difficult to get) is the one that can actually replace the worker.

And of course AI and robots are also completely different things.

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Those are examples of things that actually exist, but a robot that actually performs the full bath of patients in their beds without needing help from anybody is still not something available. 

Wrong, and these robots are quite common.

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Wrong, and these robots are quite common.

Yet you fail to argue how any of the text you quoted is wrong (which means it is not) nor any reference for the robot that you claim is common but for which you can't find any reference even when explicitly called for it.

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Yet you fail to argue how any of the text you quoted is wrong (which means it is not) nor any reference for the robot that you claim is common but for which you can't find any reference even when explicitly called for it.

Just because you don't understand the argument doesn't mean there is no argument being made.

And where is a reference being explicitly called for? Are you reading the same article as is being discussed here?

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Just because you don't understand the argument doesn't mean there is no argument being made.

You have made no argument, just claimed something is wrong, there is nothing to misunderstand in 7 words of your reply, not a single argument.

And where is a reference being explicitly called for? Are you reading the same article as is being discussed here?

In my previous comment, where I clarify that your claim "such baths do exactly that" do not have any reference to support it. Are you accepting this is mistaken and there is no such thing?

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Just because you don't understand the argument doesn't mean there is no argument being made.

And just because you have written that something exists, doesn’t mean it actually does. You haven’t supported your assertions.

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virusrex

There are many auto baths for the disabled and old including lifting a person into the bath.

Those are examples of things that actually exist, but a robot that actually performs the full bath of patients in their beds without needing help from anybody is still not something available.

Yes, I believe there are

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0921889019304968

"Poseidon is the world's first hygiene robot. Actually, it is an intelligent shower solution, which in a unique way helps elderly and disabled people to take care of their personal hygiene"

And of course AI and robots are also completely different things.

They are coming together very fast.

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There are many auto baths for the disabled and old including lifting a person into the bath.

Thank you wallace. You proved us both correct.

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There are many auto baths for the disabled and old including lifting a person into the bath.

But there are no robots that can give a bath of the patient in his bed, which is the claim you are contesting.

Yes, I believe there are

The robot of the article is not available yet, 3 years after the publication of the article. Not to mention the robot in the report is a chair inside the shower (the patient still have to reach that point by himself), that is a completely different thing from a robot that washes the patient in the bed.

You quoted my comment, "a robot that actually performs the full bath of patients in their beds without needing help from anybody" The example you provided is not that, which is exactly my point, other more limited options are available (or will be in the close future) but the claim that a robot that can perform a full bath of a patient in his bed is not one of those options.

They are coming together very fast

But they are still completely different, so saying AI is replacing people in their jobs is not correct.

Thank you wallace. You proved us both correct.

Still no reference for a robot that can bathe a patient in his bed.

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AI is separate issue. AI needs to be terminated immediately.

The only disinformation we need to be concerned about is coming from our own governments. And that disinformation in particular needs to be terminated immediately, with jail sentences for its creation and dissemination.

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yipyipToday 11:29 am JST

Now find a robot that can dress the person and change the bed sheets and I will be impressed.

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Nope. Never wrote that. You are making that up. And you have ZERO sources supporting your bizarre claims.

Your comments are still here for anybody to read. at october. 10  02:20 pm JST you wrote these are "quite common", they are not as proved.

If my claim is that you have provided no sources to prove that that means not having those sources proves my point.

So, you accept that your argument is disproven.

The opposite, since robots that do what was claimed are not available, the ones that are are much more limited and can't do what was claimed.

There is. You have to look at the facts you are asking for, no matter how painful it is for you to be proven wrong.

That is still a robot that helps the patient bathing once he got to the shower and sits in the chair, that is NOT what you claimed was common, which was a robot that bathed the patient in his bed. It is not even simmilar.

It describes how the robot transfers the patient into the bath

No, it does not do such a thing, the patient have to reach the bath by himself, there is no merit in misrepresenting a source that anybody can easily check.

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There are many auto baths for the disabled and old including lifting a person into the bath.

I just stick the coins in, press the wash and add the extra wax option, and wait on the conveyor. Green light comes on and I am squirted with soap. Then I am bashed with rubber ribbons scrubbing me as I move forward. Water jets out and rinses me off. Air dryers blast supersonic air at me, drying me instantly. Finally, a wax coat is added at the end.

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Never been more shiny.

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It describes how the robot transfers the patient into the bath

No, it does not do such a thing, the patient have to reach the bath by himself, there is no merit in misrepresenting a source that anybody can easily check.

WRONG! It does exactly that as per the source:

*a motorized chair for safe transfer of the elderly in and out the bathing cabin,*

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0921889019304968

Case closed.

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Thanks for disproving your own claim, since the description obviously means the patient have to reach the bathing cabin that by definition means it is not for bathing the patient in his bed, which was the original claim.

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