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U.S. drops anti-whaling wording opposed by Japan in Indo-Pacific pact

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I am so disappointed by Biden.

Japan must be condemned for the resumption of commercial whaling and the US has a moral obligation to pressure Japan to abandon commercial whaling immediately.

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Samit- I agree 100%

-24 ( +18 / -42 )

Really wise move by Biden.

The US recognises that one nation should not interfere in the traditional culture and diet of another. Whaling is crucial to Japans food supply.

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Whaling is crucial to Japans food supply.

Fishing is. I'm not sure about whaling specifically, though. I could be wrong. Anyway, if there's a market for it, why not? They should be able to take enough whales to satisfy it.

I had a problem with it when they would, heavily subsidised by the government, sail halfway across the world to take whales from international waters under the pretence of scientific research. But in their own waters? Sure. Go nuts.

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Japan must be condemned for the resumption of commercial whaling and the US has a moral obligation to pressure Japan to abandon commercial whaling immediately.

Why??, it's pathetic, LOL !!.

Japan's economy

Japan's traditions..

Japan's culture..

Japan's culinary..

Japan's EEZ..

Japan's whales..

GO JAPAN !!..

Sorry no bonus...

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The US recognises that one nation should not interfere in the traditional culture and diet of another.

The problem with that argument is feeling that actions irrefutably unethical wrong can be justified because of "culture."

Whaling is crucial to Japans food supply.

1945-52 called, they want their information on what constitutes "crucial" food supply back.

The vast Japanese people don't give a stuff about whale meat, and nor should they.

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prohibits "the killing of great whales for commercial purposes."

Ridiculous.

Humans do most everything for commercial purposes, including food production.

Killing whales for commercial purposes - in a sustainable fashion - is a model approach to providing food. Compare it to chopping down trees and farming methane burping cows, it is hands down better for the environment.

If Japanese people want to eat whales who it their right mind would stop them?

sail halfway across the world to take whales from international waters under the pretence of scientific research

Well if you want to sustainably utilize whales you are going to need to do some research, this should be obvious.

And what is it with “international waters”? The whales don’t care about such arbitrary designations. If a whale swims from international waters into Japan’s EEZ you think that makes it better? From a conservation perspective, that is meaningless.

And the halfway around the world thing is an issue for you, why? What else involves sailing halfway around the world that you oppose?

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I don't like whale hunting and don't eat whale meat. I was happy when Japan stopped its whaling in the Antarctic and now only hunts in its own waters.

Iceland has resumed Fin whaling and Norway continues to.

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Well if you want to sustainably utilize whales you are going to need to do some research, this should be obvious.

And what is it with “international waters”? The whales don’t care about such arbitrary designations. If a whale swims from international waters into Japan’s EEZ you think that makes it better? From a conservation perspective, that is meaningless.

And the halfway around the world thing is an issue for you, why? What else involves sailing halfway around the world that you oppose?

Reasonable concerns. As for research, all you need to know is how many you can take without crashing the population. You don't need to kill hundreds of whales and weigh their livers to do that.

Sure, whales don't care about international waters. But people do. There are plenty of whales in Japanese waters to satisfy what small demand there is. Stick to them. 'Halfway around the world' is an extension of that. But like I said, all fair points. Just my opinion.

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Whaling is crucial to Japans food supply.

Whaling is not crucial to Japan's food supply now as long as they can eat enough beef, pork, chicken, etc imported from other countries. Why is Japan hunting whales? Japan thinks they couldn't take enough protein in the future because exporting countries would stop exporting them to Japan someday due to climate change, desertification, world population, war, etc. The shortage of world food will come soon in the future. The hunting more than 100 whales per day is not easy and skills to hunt are very needed, it is just like finding a very small diamond in the very wide desert. Japan has long-time data about travelling whales such as routes, rest and mating areas. Radar is not good in the very wide ocean. They could hunt 1, 2 whales at most there, but not enough protein for all people. Why is Japan hunting whales? It is the skill training to hunt more whales in the future, instead of beef, pork, chicken, etc. A long time ago whale meat saved Japanese people.

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Never eaten it myself but it does appear to be a political rather than culinary choice. Most people say it doesn't taste good but some men of a certain age say it is "Japan culture".

I guess it is an inverted version of those men of a certain age in the US who boycotted Bud Light.

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The United States has abandoned efforts to include anti-whaling language in its Indo-Pacific trade pact following fierce opposition from Japan

Ok, U.S. says killing whales is fine, so who are we to oppose it?

Or, is killing and eating whales morally wrong? How is it different from killing and eating humans? What is U.S. stance there? Considering president Bush barely escaped from being eaten by Japanese cannibals, I assume U.S. is against it...

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Whale meat is only culturally a thing in specific areas, other than that it was also used as a cheap vs. volume obtained per kill alternative to other sea food like tuna. Basically using it when supplies of other preferred foods are unavailable or too expensive for poorer people. The weird insistence that it’s a country wide cultural delicacy is wild.

Also looks like a lot of people didn’t watch the new avatar, James Cameron is sad

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"I guess it is an inverted version of those men of a certain age in the US who boycotted Bud Light."

LOL. I could not think up a more inept analogy. Try again.

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Whaling is crucial to Japans food supply.

Rubbish. I've lived in Japan longer probably than most JY posters have been on this earth, and I could count on one hand the number of times I've seen whalemeat on sale in the local supermarket or even fishmongers. And have enough fingers left over to hold a cup of coffee without spilling any.

A few specialist restaurants catering to old men with a nostalgia for the immediate post-war era do not make dead whales crucial to the food supply.

Remove all whalemeat from Japanese sales outlets and probably 98% of the population wouldn't even notice - till the maudlin old men started pouting.

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There are many prefectures where whale meat is not eaten or sold.

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I counter your anecdotal observation

Don't like anecdotal? Fair enough. How about government statistics?

Whale meat consumption in Japan totalled just 1,000 tonnes in 2021, compared with 2.6 million tonnes for chicken and 1.27 million for beef, government data showed.

At its peak in 1962, annual whale meat consumption was 233,000 tonnes.

1,000 tonnes works out at around 7 grams per person per year. Crucial to the food supply???

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-whaling-firm-pins-hopes-vending-machines-revive-sales-2023-01-24/

And note they're trying out these vending machines  in hopes of reviving sales of a food long in decline and shunned by many supermarkets.

Most Japanese people have never eaten whale meat and have no interest in eating whale meat, even if it is available in some Kansai supermarkets.

To cover what they can't persuade people to eat out of vending machines, the whalers are resorting to marketing their product as pet food:

demand for whale meat is so low in Japan that the country’s only remaining factory ship whaling company, Kyodo Senpaku, is in serious financial trouble, and stockpiles of unwanted whale meat are being repurposed for pet food.

A new independent analysis of the whale meat market in Japan by a Japanese researcher shows that, even with significantly lower catches, the amount of meat stockpiled for lack of buyers has been growing since mid-2020. Despite deeply discounted sales to schools and medical facilities—and promotional gimmicks such as whale blubber ice cream—whale meat inventory remains high.

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more than 50 Japanese whale products are marketed for dogs (including raw meat, processed meat in pouches, dried jerky, sprinkles, biscuits, and freeze-dried cubes). Ten additional products are marketed for cats or both dogs and cats, including an omega-3 supplement made from whale blubber.

https://awionline.org/press-releases/japans-whale-meat-stockpiles-turned-pet-food

If you're an animal-lover, best to check the list of ingredients on the packet before giving Fido and Tiddles their dinner.

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Still hard to believe that in the 2020s Japan is still killing whales. This abhorrent activity should be consigned to the history books. America has made a mistake here for the sake of the Mighty Dollar

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Not my point to argue ... that it is "crucial to the food supply", which of course it isn't.

...which was precisely my point....

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I wonder what Japan will now have to do for the U.S. in return. Buy more bombs?

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Whaling is crucial to Japans food supply.

No, It has not been crucial to Japan's food supply for a number of decades. The numbers eating it have continued to drop and it only maintains supply through high government subsidies and most of the meat from whaling goes into pet food anyway.

Whaling is from a bygone era and is certainly not needed in today's world.

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I see whale on the beach dying and people trying hard to save them pulling them back k into the sea without any success. No I did not help, that is nature. To really applicate this world and enjoy this wonderland we call earth you have take the good with bad.

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Samit BasuToday  07:10 am JST

I am so disappointed by Biden.

Japan must be condemned for the resumption of commercial whaling and the US has a moral obligation to pressure Japan to abandon commercial whaling immediately.

Same for South Korea.

" Whale meat is a delicacy in the southeastern coastal cities of South Korea, especially in Ulsan, Busan, Gyeongju and Pohang. Unique among these cities, Ulsan is the center of a political movement to legalize and reinstate whale hunting in defiance of the worldwide moratorium. The municipal government of Ulsan Namgu [South District] has attempted to promote the use of whale meat to attract tourists and business development. Ulsan is also the city with the highest concentration of whale meat specialty restaurants."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221268211400016X

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Another worry for whales is a resent report on their food supply. Warming weather is killing of the whales food resource. Sooner or latter there will too many whale and not enough food. There will be a need to cull in decade or so.

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Another worry for whales is a resent report on their food supply. Warming weather is killing of the whales food resource. Sooner or latter there will too many whale and not enough food. There will be a need to cull in decade or so.

It seems to me hunting sustainable amount of whale is necessary. Not cull. Cull sounds like killing and dumping in the ocean. Whale meat is a precious food. Let's eat!

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They should be able to take enough whales to satisfy it.

No. Whaling has reduced stocks of may species of whale to near extinction. That is why whaling is banned by most of the world's nations and why there is such opprobrium for the very few nations that still engage in it.

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Still hard to believe that in the 2020s Japan is still killing whales. This abhorrent activity should be consigned to the history books. America has made a mistake here for the sake of the Mighty Dollar

Even though I oppose the decision I don't think it was about the "mighty dollar". The US-Japan relationship is complex and multi faceted involving regional power relationships, mutual defense relationships and multilateral trade. It's more than just money involved.

I think the US felt adding wording opposing whaling would not change anything and end up insulting the Japanese with no potential for any gain.

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No. Whaling has reduced stocks of may species of whale to near extinction.

I don't think Minke or Bryde whales, particularly those that frequent Japanese waters,are near extinction, but Sei whales are. Perhaps I'm wrong.

But that's what quotas and research are for. Establishing sustainable catch amounts. Isn't that the 'research' they were doing in the Antarctic? If they aren't being sustainable, discontinue by all means.

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