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U.S. exit from climate accord very disappointing: Japan

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Elect a climate change-denying arsonist, get a dumpster fire...

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go to windy.com and take a look at where all the pollution is. not much in the USA. Why isn't he expressing disappointment in China and India? Japan is low because they moved their factories overseas. So yes, Japanese manufactures are major contributors to carbon dioxide emitters. Just not in Japan. Let's look at companies emitting carbon dioxide instead of countries.

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Why isn't he expressing disappointment in China and India? Japan is low because they moved their factories overseas. So yes, Japanese manufactures are major contributors to carbon dioxide emitters. 

Euh...and the US doesnt use overseas factories?

Let's look at companies emitting carbon dioxide instead of countries.

I don't disagree, but you will need countries to work together to make an effort. Again, this effort is useless unless countries start penalizing pollution by big companies that usually pay off the government to catch a break in the first place.

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Disappointing? I'd call it worse than that!

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Let's look at companies emitting carbon dioxide instead of countries.

Three words: cap and trade.

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much to the globalists' dismay.

Who are these globalists of which you speak. Can you name a few names so I can understand a little better?

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I can't believe so many people here have swallowed whole the 'polluting countries' narrative and from none other than the main stream media, whose sole existence is entirely dependent on the big corporate elites.

Countries do not pollute, corporations pollute! In this globalised world, big corporations will move their operations to where ever that accepts their pollution.

If you are punching Trump, or America, or China, etc...you are punching the wrong target. It's most likely the companies you work for that you aim your throw at.

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Who are these globalists of which you speak.

Take a look around you, almost everything you can see and touch is made by a big corporation. Not only this, it's probably made thousands of miles away, shipped accross the ocean, polluting as it go. Then there are the packaging, fumigation, transport from dock to warehouse....

It's ridiculous to think that a country, any country, can make a difference. Why does a solution has to be enacted at national level, when tge problem isca global one?

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America is the second biggest polluter just behind China.

In his campaign Trump promised the miners to promote coal and secure their jobs.

In the reality of Trump's policies, 5,000 miners have lost their jobs and 50 coal powered plants shut down. There are now more yoga teachers than miners.

Some states like California no longer allow coal burning and are promoting renewables but all of that is defeated by the numbers of mass wild fires caused by an overloaded and outdated dangerous power grid system.

Texas is another state pushing ahead with solar power.

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Who are these globalists of which you speak.

Take a look around you, almost everything you can see and touch is made by a big corporation.

I'm confused, are these big globalist corporations in favour of reducing emissions, pollution etc or against it? I hear lots on the right wing banging on about deep state globalist climate change hoax etc, but as far as I can see they have little to gain from countries signing up to the Paris accord. What am I missing here?

I suppose it could possibly be a conspiracy theory concocted by lazy people who believe in a failed businessman of low mental calibre instead of over a century of scientific research.

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Take a look around you, almost everything you can see and touch is made by a big corporation. 

So the globalists are corporations?

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@Sh1mon

If you are punching Trump, or America, or China, etc...you are punching the wrong target. It's most likely the companies you work for that you aim your throw at.

Yes yes that’s fine and all, but the issue at hand is about the US withdrawal - unilaterally by trump - from the Paris accord which has strict targets and is a solid step towards not ruining the planet.

But also, you do know that Trump is in fact an enabler of big multinational corporations (insofar as any repug-lican is), and is indeed personally profiting from his presidency, and also seriously jeapordizing the planet’s future? Stay focussed on the issue. He’s right now single-handedly doing more damage than any one corporation.

Also - do you work for a company? Yes? Oh and a foreign one indeed? (Else why post on JT?) Then take your own advice and do something about it rather than post on an obscure forum.

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So the globalists are corporations?

and the elite people behind it, and the system it operates...

Lets get specific here...let's take American Airlines - why do they propagate a system whereby the more a customer contributes to polluting, the more privileged that customer attains? Yet no one, especially the main stream media, dare say anything? King polluter with a million flyer miles is a hero?

Yet, they want a coal miner to give up his only means of making a living.

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Big corporations do not make National laws. Sovereign Nations make the laws that corporations must adhere to.

Bring in the following laws.

No new personal or company vehicle sold from 2021 can run on petrol, gas or diesel. They must be Hydrogen or Electric. Companies must comply with national laws to sell vehicles.

All new House, renovation to a domestic building or business built from 2021 must have solar/wind power and battery storage for 24 hours power usage. reducing the need for adding more coal or gas power plants and enabling buildings to be power self sufficient.

Ships from 2021 must be partly powered by wind and solar, and operate only on that power when it is available.

When nations were tasked with changing manufacturing from toys and cars to weapons and tanks in WWII they did so within a year, that was 70 years ago. It can be done if governments have the balls to make the laws. Corporations have no choice but to follow the laws of no longer be in business.

Save the world, or business as usual until natural disasters stop business all together. Its not a hard question and the answer is there.

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If you are punching Trump, or America, or China, etc...you are punching the wrong target. It's most likely the companies you work for that you aim your throw at.

But it is the government of the country which sets the laws and regulations.

Countries do not pollute, corporations pollute! In this globalised world, big corporations will move their operations to where ever that accepts their pollution.

That's why it's important to have this international accord and treaty on the climate.

International globalist

You mean the international business and trade created by free market capitalism and very much based on the American model. Globalist seems to have many meaning depending on who is saying it.

"During the election and presidency of United States president Donald Trump and members of his administration used the term globalist on multiple occasions. The administration was accused of using the term as an anti-Semitic "dog whistle", to associate their critics with a Jewish conspiracy."

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The US as a nation and Donald Trump in particular need to learn that the US is one country on planet Earth. There are others. The atmosphere and water on this planet is MUCH smaller than you might think. Here is an illustration showing the quantity of Earth's water and atmosphere. The atmosphere and water supply are getting hopelessly polluted.

Wake up Donald. Wake up America. It's our planet too!

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I'd boycott American products except the only things I have any use for are Rolaids and Skippy peanut butter. Not necessarily in that order.

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Any serious climate action needs the government to step in. Individuals or individual companies can only make so much impact. If governments were powerless, corporations would not spend vast amounts of money lobbying them.

The US government's refusal to cooperate is a huge setback.

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go to windy.com and take a look at where all the pollution is. not much in the USA. Why isn't he expressing disappointment in China and India? Japan is low because they moved their factories overseas. So yes, Japanese manufactures are major contributors to carbon dioxide emitters. Just not in Japan. Let's look at companies emitting carbon dioxide instead of countries.

Thank you. Anyway, I’m glad we’re out.

-7 ( +4 / -11 )

"The reality is that PRESIDENT TRUMP is the ONE doing the right thing by withdrawing from the unauthorized signing of the agreement by his predecessor who exceded/violated his authority! The agreement would require Congress's approval to be valid, (USA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION), but that was foolishly disregarded by that fool who signed it. "

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The reality is that PRESIDENT TRUMP is the ONE doing the right thing by withdrawing from the unauthorized signing of the agreement by his predecessor who exceded/violated his authority! The agreement would require Congress's approval to be valid,

The Congress of which you speak is the same one that Trump ignores every other day when it suits him? Trump the one that attempts almost daily to exceed/violate his authority? Hypocrisy does not sit well with rational people.

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Apparently the agreement is rubbish anyway. Filled with various "pledges" by various countries that required them to do nothing or even less than nothing. All so they could announce an agreement and make it appear they were doing something. Easy political points all around. Obama was one of the few to make a real, if impractical, pledge.

This is the truth of modern politics. Make a lot of noise, pretend to be doing something about a problem that may or may not exist, and keep the gullible public asleep and paying taxes like good little peasants.

I hope my kids go into politics. There will be no future doing honest work.

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For some reason the link to the illustrations of the quantity of atmosphere and water on planet Earth didn't get posted. This goes with my previous post:

https://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/new-ways-to-gauge-the-finite-atmosphere/

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Uh ... the US Senate never ratified this agreement, so it didn't exist.

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Another mindless decision by the current occupant of the White House and proof that he is not fir to be President of the United States of America (POTUS).

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More than disappointed, it's a crime again humanity, but i'm pretty sure the next president will join again the climate agreement and have common sense, not like this narcissistic clown US has for president today..

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Yet, they want a coal miner to give up his only means of making a living.

and make their children and grandchildren's lives more of a struggle because of the environmental damage global warming causes

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Trees are the problem.....

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

Pres. Trump says it's unfair or US cannot afford to address climate change issues . . . but doesn't he know that going "green" will result in a new economy based on "green" products, industry, new ideas which will pay off? A Green economy is the future of the planet . . . we cannot afford to miss out. "Economic, Environment, and Social" overlap,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_economy

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Thank you. Anyway, I’m glad we’re out.

well you know weve come to expect that, Trumpters dont disagree with anything Trump does, he could shoot somebody on main street state they were part of globalist elite and they say it was justified of him.

Trumpsters really dont have opinions, it more of a hive mentality, Queen at the top does all the thinking for them

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OK, Mr. Japanese Foreign Minister. What have you or your country done to address global warming? Right, nothing.

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For thousands of years, most groups of humans have altered their environment. We are the problem. All of us.

Humans are the problem. Someone should do something about that.

/s

Large agreements with foreign govts and the USA have to be ratified by the US Senate or they aren't worth the paper they are printed on. That pesky US Constitution. It applies to all Presidents, Obama, Trump, FDR ... all of them.

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and make their children and grandchildren's lives more of a struggle because of the environmental damage global warming causes

King flyer with his millions flyer miles doesn't cause environmental damage? Read my post in full, it's a comparison of the treatment of an elite vs a worker in this debate.

The main stream media is towing the global elites line, ie they can have their cake and eat it as well. They are saying despite being behind a system that rape and pillage one region after another, polluting as they go, they are hero. But poor old coal miner Joe is the bad guy endangering mother earth.

IMHO, the single most, fairest move that can be made that would achieve immediate reduction in carbon and other dangerous pollutants, is to manufacture locally, for the local market. But the global elites sees this as against their freedom to exploit for profits, so they want us all to believe Joe miner is the bad guy.

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Despite what I posted, I agree with anti-Trump posts here. Sure Trump can try for fair, even for pragmatism, but there is a complete lack of leadership here. POTUS, used to entails global responsibility and leadership, so not putting forward a solution to go with a withdrawal from world consensus is just dumb.

Trump needs to face responsibility.

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My point was, how can a country leader pat themselves on the back for reducing pollution in his/her country and criticize another when it is the companies from that country creating the pollution. Cheap labor (greedy fat cats) and lax regs on factory pollutants is the problem.

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You know this is American politics!  Donald Trump and his Republican party wants to "Eradicate" every achievements of the Obama administration's eight years! They hates Obama more than anyone else! Eradicate the climate agreement was just part of their political little game!

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@Sh1mon M4sadaNov. 5  05:49 pm JST

I can't believe so many people here have swallowed whole the 'polluting countries' narrative and from none other than the main stream media, whose sole existence is entirely dependent on the big corporate elites.

I'm sorry, but as soon as you start banging on about 'elites' and 'main stream media' you lose me. I'm getting heartily sick of these paranoid conspiracy theories.

Trump relies on his working class voters, and a lot of them are employed by factories and fossil fuel suppliers, so he's clearly going to support them rather than cutting pollution. Votes are much more important than the atmosphere

I'm no tree-hugger but even I can see that America just pumps out smoke and gas like the Industrial Revolution only just happened.

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The energy is in the system, it is already there, and the positive feedback loops of the different global systems will simply keep reinforcing the pace and thus the intensity of the climate change now under way. Science (Yes, also the cause) is the only possible answer we have to stabilise, reverse and stop -- not only the fastest rate of change we have been able to determine through ice-cores analysis etc -- but also the catastrophe of the Seventh Great Extinction, a true stain on humanity's disregard and contempt for the life on this planet.

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The Japanese government after the nuclear disaster stated it would increase the use of renewable energy to 20% and 30% by the year 2030. But they failed to reach those targets even with the greater use of solar power. Japan is well behind many European countries.

The country also needs to fade out the use of coal burning plants.

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I'm no tree-hugger but even I can see that America just pumps out smoke and gas like the Industrial Revolution only just happened.

That must be why America has been steadily decreasing its CO2 emissions since 2005.

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Even with the reductions because of natural gas and increase of renewables, America is still the second biggest producer of CO2.

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> "It'd be impossible to urge President (Donald) Trump to reverse the decision," Koizumi said.

Why?

Koizumi giving up so early in his political life on the ‘urge’ - he needs to

speak to his leader for edification.

The leader who takes two planes on every foreign trip...

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I’d disagree with many people blaming the US.

Of course Americans are bad polluters but China and India allow their environments to be so filthy that planes can’t land at airports....

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Americans ave the highest energy consumption per capita of all countries.

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