Ukraine hopes to sign security pact with Japan before July NATO summit

Probably best not to get involved. Let the US deal with it. It's basically their beef.

apan will join Britain, Canada, France and six other countries in having signed such an agreement, and more countries are expected to follow suit.

Russia and especially its partner China, plus any others supporting the Ukraine war should accept that they're alienating huge markets around the globe, putting their own nation's economies at risk for the glory of Putin and his remaining oligarchs. Countries like North Korea and Iraq may have benefitted by selling weapons to Moscow, and Cuba has sent troops. Too many people have died in the insanity that is this war, Putin pull your troops out, send them back to Russia to tend to problems there, then use your oil/gas wealth embezzled from the Russian state to make reparations to Ukraine.

Probably best not to get involved. Let the US deal with it. It's basically their beef.

Japan clearly will not be taking your advice. BTW - this is an illegal invasion aimed at territorial expansion by fascist Russia - hardly the US' "beef".

The imminent signing of a Japan-Ukraine security pact is a positive thing - just as the UK, Germany, France, Denmark, Canada, Italy, the Netherlands, Finland, and Latvia have done. Japan is on the right side of history in supporting free Ukraine.

Ukraine’s war against Russia is already lost. There’s zero possibility of Ukraine ever defeating the nuclear-armed, energy and food self-sufficient Russia. Japan should stay away from the war it didn’t start,

Ukraine’s war against Russia is already lost. There’s zero possibility of Ukraine ever defeating the nuclear-armed, energy and food self-sufficient Russia. Japan should stay away from the war it didn’t start,

Fortunately your home will never be depending on you to defend itself should a stronger nation decide to invade.

A Security Agreement undoubtedly focuses on assistance, aid, etc just like NATO countries. But it does seem strange conceptually to have a Security Agreement between one country that has been invaded by and is presently at war with Russia, and another country that does not have a peace treaty with Russia and is in a territorial dispute with them.

Japan should stay out. It's a messy proxy war with the US benefitting from both sides in a bid to strengthen the local economy and extend the life of the dollar. Not a cent of aid actually leaves the US, all being allocated to arms and military equipment manufacturers. The Ukraine military is equally happy to sell US/UK military aid to Georgia and the Balkens lining their own pockets so long may the conflict continue.

As part of a bid to increase the value of US oil through increased pricing and extended distribution, Japan has been instructed not to purchase oil from Russia, so Tokyo is purchasing from India, who is importing oil from Russia...

Messy business... Japan is better off out of it.

MeiyouwentiToday  06:44 pm JST

Ukraine’s war against Russia is already lost. There’s zero possibility of Ukraine ever defeating the nuclear-armed, energy and food self-sufficient Russia. Japan should stay away from the war it didn’t start,

No, it's very far from lost. And it's Russia that started a "war" with Ukraine.

Also, Japan has always done well with wars it did not start, or with solid backing from allies.

Sino-Japanese War 1894, Boxer Rebellion 1900, Russo-Japanese War 1904, WW I 1914.

Japan has only done poorly in wars that it started on it's own. Which is now probibited by Artcle 9.

MeiyouwentiToday 06:44 pm JST

Ukraine’s war against Russia is already lost.

It's Russia's -- unprovoked, illegal, brutal -- war against Ukraine.

And it's certainly not lost. There's a long way to go, unfortunately, since Putin is bent on the destruction of both countries, and that will sadly take time and much more misery.

BertieWoosterToday 06:06 pm JST

Probably best not to get involved. Let the US deal with it. It's basically their beef.

That's the spirit: just leave those innocent people to be slaughtered by a murderous invader.

I doubt you'd say "Probably best not to get involved" if your country were being attacked, your family being killed and raped, and your children being abducted.

JulesToday 07:14 pm JST

messy proxy war

Brutal, unprovoked invasion by a maniacal dictator against an innocent people.

Ukraine is as helpless as a child,one who throws temper tantrums if they cannot get what they want

YrralToday 08:54 pm JST

Ukraine is as helpless as a child

So helpless that it has sent back half a million Russians in either body bags or ambulances, and devastated Russia's Black Fleet?

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240503-france-estimates-that-150-000-russian-soldiers-have-been-killed-in-the-ukraine-war

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/05/21/ukrainian-missiles-are-blowing-up-the-black-sea-fleets-new-missile-corvettes-faster-than-russia-can-build-them/

Your definition of "helpless" must differ greatly to mine.

Probably best not to get involved. Let the US deal with it. It's basically their beef.

It is best to understand this is as much Japan's problem as it is the US or any other nation that is not fighting. They can help the victim of an invasion in any way they choose to. The idea that providing help to a victim is best avoided, shows a distint lack of humanity and morality. Lets hope your never a victim needing help, medical or otherwise, as you make it sound like you wouldnt deserve assistance.

The simple fact is that Russia is the aggressor, and making it easier or simpler to violate Ukraine and its people, is giving aid and comfort to the criminal, whether directly or indirectly. Helping the victim of this crime is to be applauded for its moral correctness and sends the right message that Japan will not look away to allow the crime to continue, but will give aid to the needy and reaffirm Japanese humanity is strong, its moral compass is steady, and it will not overlook the horrors being comitted daily by Russia, when it should not be happening at all.

Thank you Japan.

Japan should stay out of it. But they will likely get sucked in, with the US promising to rescue its currency.

It is best to understand this is as much Japan's problem as it is the US or any other nation that is not fighting. They can help the victim of an invasion in any way they choose to. The idea that providing help to a victim is best avoided, shows a distint lack of humanity and morality. Lets hope your never a victim needing help, medical or otherwise, as you make it sound like you wouldnt deserve assistance.

Russia did not start this.

Ukraine's biggest problem is a lack of man power. Japan can not help. It's second biggest problem is a lack of military materials. Japan cannot help with this.

Japan can wave the Ukraine flag... And fund some more Ukrainian corruption but that is all.

Russia did not start this.

Invading Ukraine is a weird way of not starting a war. It's an even weirder way of coping with supporting an invasion.

Japan can wave the Ukraine flag... And fund some more Ukrainian corruption but that is all.

You can wave the Russian flag and pretend that Russia isn't even more corrupt.

Remember those halcyon days when you were claiming it wasn't even a war?

So helpless that it has sent back half a million Russians in either body bags or ambulances, and devastated Russia's Black Fleet?

I guess the Ukrainians will have to send back another half a million body bags, and sink the rest of the Russian fleet.

I'm ok with that. Or the Russians can go for peace, and just go home.

Probably best not to get involved. Let the US deal with it. It's basically their beef.

Yeah, because Putin wouldn't invade countries to try to steal more territory, in an attempt to push Russian borders towards NATO to provoke a war, right?

...right?

Ukraine is as helpless as a child,one who throws temper tantrums

Because defending your country from an invader who is executing your friends, families, and neighbors in the streets is a "temper tantrum", right?

Russia did not start this.

Russia unilaterally started this, and can end it by going home tomorrow.

Sorry, were we supposed to pretend your Russian propaganda had any basis in reality? My bad.

Russia unilaterally started this,

I think it's a little more messy than that. Prior to Russia's invasion, there was fighting in eastern Ukraine among Ukrainians. That followed the coup of 2014. Thousands were killed.

And please note I'm not in any way supporting Russia's invasion. My general opinion of the respective governments is Ukraine bad, Russia even worse. And I wonder why most western nations didn't try resolve issues before Russia's invasion. My own country's government gets a "bad" mark too.

I wonder why most western nations didn't try resolve issues before Russia's invasion

They did - and Putin invaded anyways.

This is 100% on Russia. That’s why the world is quarantining them like a virus.

Mr KiplingToday 10:32 pm JST

Ukraine's biggest problem is a lack of man power.

Ukraine's biggest problem is that it is being invaded by Russia.

Japan can wave the Ukraine flag... And fund some more Ukrainian corruption but that is all.

Japan can, and does, do many vital things: humanitarian aid to name just one.

Wick's pencilToday 10:23 pm JST

Russia did not start this.

Perhaps not in Putin's fantasy world. However, here in the real world where the rest of us live, Russia very much did start it.

You can spread Kremlin propaganda all you want: you're simply preaching to the choir.

albaleoToday 11:30 pm JST

I think it's a little more messy than that.

And that mess was started by Russia.

My general opinion of the respective governments is Ukraine bad, Russia even worse.

Ukraine's government has its problems (like all governments), but it did absolutely nothing that warranted being invaded. The cause of this war is Putin, and Putin only.

Sybiha also expressed his gratitude to Tokyo for supporting Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's peacebuilding initiative called "Peace Formula," which will be discussed at the first "Summit on Peace in Ukraine" slated for June 15 and 16 in Switzerland. gJapanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida is planning to attend the international leader-level meetin, according to a source familiar with the matter.

Who else if not Kishida? Baiden is not going to attend the summit at all. What do they tell about Sunak?Initiated national elections... the British participation may be problematic:)

Kyiv is counting on Brazil, China, India, Saudi Arabia, South Africa and the United Arab Emirates in particular, 

How? On the date of the "summit" BRICS is planning their corporate meetings. Are you sure that they will prefer the "summit"?

The third thing. Ukraine has no president any more. After 20 May. Who will speak to a expired president?

Circus with clowns

@Isabelle,

Ukraine's government has its problems (like all governments), but it did absolutely nothing that warranted being invaded.

I agree that the Russian invasion wasn't warranted. But from the media reports I read at the time, a lot of bad things were happening in eastern Ukraine. The Azov Battalion's actions seemed quite shocking to me. I still find it hard to believe such an organization existed, which probably shows how naive I am. And then the Wagner Group's involvement on Russia's side.

The whole thing is an ugly mess with thousands of innocent people being killed. But what to do? I'd like to think there is a solution that doesn't involve taking sides and causing more people to be killed. Sadly, I have no idea of what that solution would be.

The Azov Battalion's actions seemed quite shocking to me. I still find it hard to believe such an organization existed, 

albaleo...you are shocked...

And this is despite the fact that you haven't read much about the real activities of Azov. Read about the torture prisons in Donbass, where many Russian people who disagreed with the Maidan were tortured to death by the Nazis from Azov. Read about the torture prison called the "library" at Mariupol airport. The prisoners of this prison were called "books." Read about the trials of the Ukrainian Nazis, which take place in Mariupol now regularly. Just yesterday, four Ukrainians from Azov were sent to life imprisonment for shooting peaceful Mariupol residents in the spring of 2022. And if you, albaleo, do not know what the solution should be, ask the residents of Donbass. Ask the murdered Russian children eight years before the start of the SVO. Children who were killed when no Ukrainian child had died yet!

KukuToday 01:16 am JST

The unprofessionalism of Russian security services was on full display after the concert hall attack. I think we can dispense with any notions that there aren't regular war crimes committed by Russian forces.

albaleoToday 12:39 am JST

@Isabelle,

Ukraine's government has its problems (like all governments), but it did absolutely nothing that warranted being invaded.

I agree that the Russian invasion wasn't warranted. But from the media reports I read at the time, a lot of bad things were happening in eastern Ukraine. The Azov Battalion's actions seemed quite shocking to me. I still find it hard to believe such an organization existed, which probably shows how naive I am. And then the Wagner Group's involvement on Russia's side.

The whole thing is an ugly mess with thousands of innocent people being killed. But what to do? I'd like to think there is a solution that doesn't involve taking sides and causing more people to be killed. Sadly, I have no idea of what that solution would be.

Maybe the solution is Russia stops being a disgusting police state so we can get journalists from all sides to see what goes on there? Also quite rich to wax nostalgic about 8 years ago when Russia's method of attack is to level all before them.

albaleoMay 25 11:30 pm JST

Russia unilaterally started this,

I think it's a little more messy than that. Prior to Russia's invasion, there was fighting in eastern Ukraine among Ukrainians. That followed the coup of 2014. Thousands were killed.

And how did that fighting come about, starting even before the maidan was finished? Could it be little green men were there at the ready to start the faux "civil war"?

And I wonder why most western nations didn't try resolve issues before Russia's invasion. My own country's government gets a "bad" mark too.

What would have liked the West to do? Russia refused to remove its troops at any point so elections could be held under the Minsk agreements.

Kasumigaseki is angling to get a share of the reconstruction pie. I'll wager anyone here that China gets the biggest slice once a peace is negotiated.

What would have liked the West to do?

For one thing, complainwhen the Russian language was to be banned in schools across Ukraine.

For one thing, complainwhen the Russian language was to be banned in schools across Ukraine.

The Russian language has been banned for a long time. Nevertheless, some people resist and continue to speak Russian. For more than 50 percent of the population, Russian is their native language. So they speak Russian in the kitchen at home, and in other places they speak clumsy Ukrainian, which no one knows at a decent level. For Zel himself, Russian is native language.

deanzaZZRToday 02:45 am JST

Kasumigaseki is angling to get a share of the reconstruction pie. I'll wager anyone here that China gets the biggest slice once a peace is negotiated.

I'm not sure dog Russia has enough bones stashed to pay for that.

albaleoToday 03:09 am JST

What would have liked the West to do?

For one thing, complainwhen the Russian language was to be banned in schools across Ukraine.

Which would have been after the little green men commenced their activity.

Cuba has sent troops

No, they didn't. Russians in Cuba lied to Cubans about jobs in Russia. On arrival, they were forced into the military. The Cuba govt is trying to get them all returned, unless the individual wants to stay. Cuban is pissed about this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68949298 They are offered jobs paying $2000/month. In Cuba, the average monthly pay is just $25.

Russia is forced to do this because they don't want to have a mandated draft after they've killed and maimed over 100K Russians. The BBC has documented over 50K Russian deaths in Putin's "police action" in a foreign country - that most people call a war.

KukuToday 03:18 am JST

For more than 50 percent of the population, Russian is their native language.

It's not over 50 percent speaking it at home since Russia launched its genocidal campaign at least.

The current situation in Ukraine is by no means an optimistic one.

It is unknown to what extent the U.S. military will be involved, but they must at least hold onto the Ukrainian side until weapons and ammunition arrive.

Japan is about to become involved in war for the first time in half a century.

We will have to take countermeasures before Russia moves south toward Japan.

First of all, it would be necessary to revise the constitution, lift the ban on arms exports, develop nuclear weapons, and develop engines for nuclear submarines. There are many things that must be done.

Zelenskyy's term has expired, and there is no elected President. So, who is going to sign this agreement?

travelbangaijinToday 05:56 am JST

Zelenskyy's term has expired, and there is no elected President. So, who is going to sign this agreement?

Well it isn't going to be Russia signing any agreement alone, so buckle up.