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Wow, so absolutely zero details on how and the method and how to apply and who is eligible (for what is actually owed to the tax payer.)

Fine article.

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Still no clarification whether or not foreigners (PR etc) will receive the stash (eh cash, of course):

"......to increase the help with a payment of 100,000 yen to all citizens."

Wish someone came up with a clear answer, nothing like "I assume, I think, I got" .... and so on.

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a payment of 100,000 yen to all citizens.

Only citizens?

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I read on NHK that it would be given to all "residents"... For whatever that's worth at this point. In going to guess no one really knows yet.

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Reckon citizens including non-Japanese residents has been lost in translation or they’re prioritising citizens first as there’s less than 1% foreign residents. I watched the press conference in Japanese and they did mention in 2009 all DID include foreigners. Helicopter money on the horizon. It’s not a minor amount of money though, but the right decision looks like it’s been made.

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Here's some info I gathered from Japanese news websites

No clear info whether foreigners are included or not. The term 国民(citizen) is often used

A lot of discussions are going on, one of the themes is 「外国人は対象外にしてほしい」 (we would like foreigners to be excluded)

「外国人労働者は母国に助けを求めればいいではないか」foreigners should be helped by their own countries. Comment: You have PR, you've been living here for 20+ years, you pay taxes and so on. Your only remaining tie to your place of birth is your passport but hey, ask your own country for help.

The Japanese communist party chairman Kazuo Shii has requested for everybody (including foreigners) to be allowed to receive the payout.

In 2009, foreigners did receive the 12000 yen handout. Fingers crossed this time will be no different!

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Fools could not run a bath let alone a country.

All they need to do is drop 100,000yen into every bank account quite simple really.

They will spend trillions trying to figure a long winded system with about 15 hurdles to go through to enable people to claim it all the time lining the pockets of their own ilk.

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Not quite that easy Bjorn. Many people have more than one bank account AT different banks.

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Quick response in May, so it could be at least another month for some! Government officials dont work during Golden Week so, forget that!

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citizen.what a "magic word".you guess will get or not.or?

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I should go to everyone over 20 with a my number and anyone under 20 with a my number card needs to apply for it in a simple manner(online)

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A majority of people has a bank account in Japan. So the right starting point. For the minority they should form an orderly social distanced queue at the local ward offices. To make this safer they can stagger the collection to a certain number of people per day over a week or two.

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As swift as the mask dispersal?

"Starting in May". Finishing in.. November? 2021?

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A thousand bucks is better than nothing, but I don’t know what people will do from the second week of May and beyond.

There are many Japanese living and going to school overseas. I know many students here in Australia that have lost their livelihoods as part time restaurant workers. I hope this payment will be extended to them as well. I’m also hoping my Mrs gets it. I need some new tyres on my car.

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Farcical, swooping like an aerial tortoise, a few months late after following the lead of other civilised countries, but not quite. It has that "unique" Japanese twit. They can not actually bring themselves (LDP) to move above a snails pace to help their supporters, but continue to have a belief that those same underlings will just suck it up. For the benifit of the group.

Not that I want it but what happened to the Beef/Fish coupons?/ Ok we are getting 2 masks (sending mine back) I have a T- shirt I can use. Canada, Australia, New Zealand, America have all given citizens financial help. The LDP brought in My Number System but claim it can't be used to pay back people. What a shimozol.

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Ineffectual government in Japan needs a complete makeover!

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I am pretty sure all taxpayers regardless of nationality get it.

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At my workplace it seems unaminous amongst my Japanese colleagues that I have heard discussing this issue, that only Japanese nationals should get the money. One guy said to me why should we waste money on foreigners, they can always go home? There’s no sort of awareness amongst these people that some of us have lived in Japan over 25 years, have a Japanese spouse and children and pay a high amount of tax every year in its various form.

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One of my colleagues read an article on Bloomberg in Japanese which translated as 'Fiscal Residents'. To the best of my knowledge if you have been here 5 years+ paying tax - you are classed at the tax office as such, So, lets see next week, if and when it goes to the Diet.

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@Umbrella

Your co-workers seem to be a trifle

unenlightened...

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My daughter who is studying abroad in California was put on lockdown in the middle of last month,the next day her university,UCLA started online classes.........her uni over here which is one of the 'famous ones' won't have online lessons until after the Goldenweek holidays.....which means that it will have taken them about 6 weeks to get up and running......this in 'high-tech' Japan as well.

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I had to use My NUmber for tax purposes. They paid me back over ¥500,000 to my bank account. They know who I am and where my wife and I are.

@Cricky: I have not gotten my American money yet my wife.

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Reckless,

Hope so......I need a bit of coin to drop into my bank account to keep the missus happy.

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So are they considering only Japanese nationals in scope or also foreign nationals?

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My totally awesome Japanese wife says if Foreigners dont get this payment Dave Spector will get on TV and demonstrate along with Patrick and Mr Why Japanese people....so everything will be just fine..my wife rocks..

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roughneckToday 05:44 pm JST

So are they considering only Japanese nationals in scope or also foreign nationals?

It's "expected" to be available to everyone:

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/04/363a734a19b1-100000-yen-handout-should-be-ready-by-may-aso.html

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100.000 Yen per person. . . That's what Abe said during the press conference. We shall see!

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It would be cool if they actually used MyNumber and let you login on an online platform through it and apply for the payment on an account you specify there.

It would be the most logical development given money orders require physical presence to be cashed out and close interactions should be discouraged during a pandemic.

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The Japanese communist party chairman Kazuo Shii has requested for everybody (including foreigners) to be allowed to receive the payout.

Once again, only the communists are being sensible.

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*I am pretty sure all taxpayers regardless of nationality get it.*

So... the furrin taxpayers will get it, but not the non-earning, non-tax-paying sengyo shufu?

Can't see that happening.

Invalid CSRF

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Even on Japanese sites they don't tell you who is eligible.

They said 12-16 trillion yen, so a simple calculation that even the LibDems should manage to do, and that should include every single person living in Japan...

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All people who have Japanese citizenship can get the money. Children and not working wives (sengyo shufu) also can get the money. Foreign residents must be Zai-nichi (permanent residents in Japan) Koreans and Chinese. No way for migrant workers.

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

If I don't get that cash, I am definitely going out on to the street to protest!

I am gonna shove Abenomask in his face if I don't get that abenopoketto mane! XD

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Excuse my ignorance, but why should pensioners get the payout?

I realise that sounds so uncompassionate but surely pensions haven’t been affected by the virus - so the income of anyone drawing a pension should be the same.

Does the 100,000 to every citizen mean that pensioners will be getting a 100,000 boost to their income in May?

If so, why?

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Most retired people no longer pay income tax and some have been retired 10, 20 30 years. That won't prevent these people receiving the payment just like all the other people in the country.

People will have to apply for the payment.

Don't know how it applies to children.

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@HBJ

I know nothing about economics, but it seems that the idea is partly to get the economy back on its feet.

So, individual suffering aside, any stimulus might be seen as a good thing. Spread the magic dust across the nation and see what sprouts....

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Will it include the 80,000 serving time in prisons?

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I don't know if JT edited the article since first posting it, but it clearly states that it's not just limited to citizens.

*"...cash payouts of 100,000 yen for all, including foreign residents as well as Japanese citizens..."*

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Japan Today has not been able to confirm the details but Japanese media indicate that foreign residents will be eligible.

How about children? Babies? Everyone gets 100K?

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including foreign residents

There are a lot of Korean and Chinese (permanent residents) who don't have Japanese citizenship. It seems they can get the money.

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swift... starting in may.

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How about children? Babies? Everyone gets 100K?

If your family is 4 members (you and your wife, and 2 children), then you get 40,0000 yen.

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Aso said on a media press: It will be given who wants who doesn't want no need to apply. Why is a politician number 2 at this ruled govenrnement?

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I am fixing to get a check from Donny and Shinzo. Best luck I have had in a while. Maybe will take the family to Hawaii once the madness is over.

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The 2009 Taro Aso stimulus included foreigners, I know because I got ot back then. My assumption here is pretty much anyone with a juminhyo, which includes all legal residents.

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If you're on the family register you are eligible, Nationality is irrelevant.

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20200417-00010019-huffpost-soci

Most top comments support and agree that residents who pay tax and live in Japan legal should receive it regardless of national.

Use the money wisely people.

Stay safe!

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proceed with this speedily.

Yes, Mr. Aso we hear you. The genius behind the last payout.

自民党, just give me my 10 man and forget your antiquated dreams.

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In 2009 all residents (including foreigners) who paid resident tax received 12,000 yen. I think this time money is only for all citizens and permanent residents. I doubt migrant workers can get'em.

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A lot of smoke before we will see the fire.

In other G countries there is talk of universal income to all.

So the money has been generated, it is just there, created by using natural resources and human geniality.

Only the mindset of the of the ones in charge still admire old fashioned imperialism and will not live up to the possibilities of this age.

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Show me the mooooooooooooooney!

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""He said people can apply online or by email, although exact details of how this will be done and the logistics have not been worked out yet.""

Unbelievable, just can't and will not give this aid the easy way, there must be a catch or an obstacle in the way. Try to tell and 80 years old citizen to file online SIR, how much more difficult and stupid can this get.

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People will have to fill out an application at their ward/city office once the scheme is up and running and could take several months to complete. Money will be paid into bank accounts or post office accounts.

This happened because of the Komeito Party making the request to PM Abe.

"Komeito lawmaker Mitsunari Okamoto described the proposal to pay all citizens as “the high road” of policy. Komeito leader Natsuo Yamaguchi met directly with Abe and proposed that 100,000 yen be distributed to all citizens regardless of income."

I believe this will also replace the original suggested payout of ¥300,000 to people who have lost income.

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The local term is ばらまき, has been used since feudal times.

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The 2009 payouts was again because of a request from the Komeito Party which PM Aso agreed to.

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If all citizens and PR holders are to get those 100K Yen per person, then it goes into the bank account registered with the city council, house papers members listed. No need to apply. Goes automatically, as 20,000Y for child support every 3 months as it was with my former city council.

If that happens.

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Why do your Japanese colleagues have a problem with foreigners getting the money. Isn't the whole purpose to stimulate economic activity? Wouldn't foreigners be contributing to the stimulation as long as they don't hoard it?

Can any economist out there also explain to me how long it will take before the exertion on the demand for commodities and services raise prices to the point that our real balances are essentially unchanged?

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Back in 2009 I got a letter from the city asking for my bank despoit info, first I thought it was a bill but it was the Taro Aso stimulus.

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In California even illegals will get 500 bucks. That is how much our hearts bleed. Most people are spending the money on food and necessities.

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umbrella:

One guy said to me why should we waste money on foreigners, they can always go home?

You should ask your colleagues to ask all the Japanese living in New York to stop singing, refuse handouts from the government, and come straight back to Japan (regardless of whether they're infected or not). Not America's problem. Certain people have never experienced the 'shoe on the other foot' feeling.

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That is rediculous, people need help yesterday. What are they waiting for? Like or hate the USA and the president, the people are already receiving their checks as promised. Get it together Japan, even third world countries are doing a better job.

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People will probably have to use "My Number" for identification.

The government will gain a wealth of personal information with personal details, addresses, bank accounts.

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Some Americans are saying their stimulus checks were sent to the wrong bank account.

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zichi: "This happened because of the Komeito Party making the request to PM Abe."

Just in case you're blaming the Komeito, and I'm not sure that you are, yes, he initiated the talks for 100,000 to each person, I don't believe he said anywhere that it should replace the 300,000 for people whose income has been drastically effected. In fact, I'm pretty sure the only way Abe jumped on board was he saw it as an easy way to pay out less and in effect save more for the big companies and for projects like his "two masks per household" wonder.

"People will probably have to use "My Number" for identification."

I can guarantee it, and since we'll have to give them our bank info (and likely copies of bank books with at least a month of transactions), they'll be looking to see who's paying what before doling out the cash.

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kwatt: "In 2009 all residents (including foreigners) who paid resident tax received 12,000 yen."

Yes, a one-time payment so as to PERMANENTLY give up family tax credits. Don't forget that part.

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And by the way, how is May "swift"?

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@smith: Who on earth in the modern world uses a bank book anymore.

For once (and rarely) I think think this is going be a fairly swift process albeit with online access and yes - of course you will have to give them bank details and My Number otherwise what's to stop people making multiple claims who have more than one bank account as do I. I am TOTALLY expecting this to be a tax free payment for all fiscal residents (I'll let you check that definition for yourself). If you don't want to provide these details to protect your civil liberties then that's your problem. For retirees - why would they not be entitled to the payment as long as they are in possession of My Number and have been taxpayers previously. Abe is a fool - on that I agree but this really is just appeasement to take the pressure off him and his mistakes. The amount of money is basically too small to affect your tax credits anyway.

Yes - this is replacing the 300,00 for those whose income has been drastically affected, I see this tasing through the Diet fairly quickly. Yes, expecting thumbs down from the normal suspects but if you've not been hiding from paying your taxes over the years, then I believe you will get it.

You know if you REALLY oppose this, why don't you leave? Oh! Oops you kind of missed your chance even though you have been at the forefront of criticizing Japans response (correctly actually) Always remember you DON'T belong here whatever you may think - And I've got a bloody good mind to report you for taking unsolicited photographs of people breaking no actual laws.

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@zichi - I think you and wife will get paid. Quickly.

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theResident

@zichi - I think you and wife will get paid. Quickly.

Thank you. We are not in urgent need so when it comes will be alright with us.

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@smith: Who on earth in the modern world uses a bank book anymore.

A lot of Japanese people.

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smithinjapan

Just in case you're blaming the Komeito, and I'm not sure that you are, yes, he initiated the talks for 100,000 to each person, I don't believe he said anywhere that it should replace the 300,000 for people whose income has been drastically effected.

Why would I blame them for giving money to the people. PM Abe decided to forget the ¥300,000. I was just stating it was the Komeito Party who suggested the ¥100,000 for everyone.

In fact, I'm pretty sure the only way Abe jumped on board was he saw it as an easy way to pay out less and in effect save more for the big companies and for projects like his "two masks per household" wonder.

Not sure about that. This package could cost at least ¥15 trillion. I think more than the ¥300,000 package.

"People will probably have to use "My Number" for identification."

I can guarantee it, and since we'll have to give them our bank info (and likely copies of bank books with at least a month of transactions), they'll be looking to see who's paying what before doling out the cash.

I haven't given "My Number" that often. You won't need a copy of your bank books. Some banks like MUFG no longer issue bank books to avoid the stamp duty.

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One guy said to me why should we waste money on foreigners, they can always go home? There’s no sort of awareness amongst these people that some of us have lived in Japan over 25 years, have a Japanese spouse and children and pay a high amount of tax every year in its various form.

Every office/workplace has its idiots.

Tell them that Japan is your home. That's what I do.

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swift = next month?

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JT, could you update on this later as information comes up? Will be greatly appreciated.

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the government give cash payouts of 100,000 yen for all, including foreign residents as well as Japanese citizens, in an effort to cushion the economic impact.

Why give money to people who haven’t lost any income from the business restrictions and slowdown? The debt isn’t large enough it needs to be padded a bit more?

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At my workplace it seems unaminous amongst my Japanese colleagues that I have heard discussing this issue, that only Japanese nationals should get the money. One guy said to me why should we waste money on foreigners, they can always go home? There’s no sort of awareness amongst these people that some of us have lived in Japan over 25 years, have a Japanese spouse and children and pay a high amount of tax every year in its various form.

A lot of trainees and foreign workers contribute hugely to the Japanese economy and stability. There are increasingly more Vietnamese engineers and medical workers in Japan. There are also increasingly more Western IT workers in Japan. These people are doing jobs that many Japanese are either incapable or lazy to do.

If Japan wants to stay relevant in the next decades (I think it won't be as long as LDP is in charge), then it has to put away xenophobia.

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Because the time and effort spent employing people to arbitrate who should get money and why is more expensive than the blanket payment and would take longer. But if you want to advocate for a slower, more expensive, less effective response to this global crisis, by all means give us your pitch.

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The Japanese communist party chairman Kazuo Shii has requested for everybody (including foreigners) to be allowed to receive the payout.

A good man. The JCP is the only political party that has heart for the people and intellect to solve the country issues. Too bad, Americans keep backing up the LDP at all costs.

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It would be cool if they actually used MyNumber and let you login on an online platform through it and apply for the payment on an account you specify there.

Yeh, it will be cool until you find out you can't enter your whole name because there's a 10 character limit. So you try to shorten your name but then it rejects you because it differs from your bank account name.

This has happened to me many times here.

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Zichi: Will it include the 80,000 serving time in prisons?

48,800 in 2019. Which doesn’t of course include all those who elsewhere would’ve gotten a cutodial sentence but here get an order of the feather duster suspended one.

https://www.prisonstudies.org/country/japan

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Why give money to people who haven’t lost any income from the business restrictions and slowdown? The debt isn’t large enough it needs to be padded a bit more?

Because the cost of putting together a system of management to determine whether people qualify, then policing it for fraud, creates such a level of bureaucracy that may very well end up costing more than just giving anyone who applies the $1000, and asking those who don't need it to refrain.

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Article: “[Taro Aso] said people can apply online or by email,”

Prime Minister Abe said that they are working out details for applications to be done online, or by postal mail with an eye to avoiding people having to congregate at local offices, wasting time and risking infection. They also need to make this as little work as possible for the local governments who are stretched thin. I could be wrong, but I strongly expect residents will receive letters in the postal mail with instructions on how to apply online if preferred, and including forms to be filled out and mailed back for those who don’t want or can’t use the online option. Both of those would involve giving bank account details. I also think, as in the past, there may be an option to pick up the cash at local office if one doesn’t have a bank account or doesn’t want to give that information.

Yoyogi59Apr. 17  08:19 pm JST

“If all citizens and PR holders are to get those 100K Yen per person, then it goes into the bank account registered with the city council, house papers members listed.”

I am a permanent resident and my spouse is a Japanese citizen born and raised in this city. Neither of us has a bank account registered with the city.

KwattApr. 17  06:56 pm JST

”Foreign residents must be Zai-nichi (permanent residents in Japan) Koreans and Chinese.”

I have permanent resident status, but am neither Korean nor Chinese. And there are plenty more like me out there. There is no reason to think we will be excluded from this payment.

RhaegarApr. 17  07:41 pm JST

“If you're on the family register you are eligible, Nationality is irrelevant.”

I believe the word you want is residency not family register. There are, for instance, permanent residents who are not part of a Japanese family.

Bjorn TomentionApr. 17  04:34 pm JST

”All they need to do is drop 100,000yen into every bank account quite simple really.”

That is a simple-minded solution really. Why should the rich with multiple accounts get multiple payments while the poor with no account get nothing?

zichiApr. 17  07:59 pm JST

”People will have to fill out an application at their ward/city office..”

See my first comment in this post. Abe specifically said they will plan this to avoid people congregating at local offices.

Invalid CSRF

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Dango bong

swift = next month?

Given that's only 2 weeks or so away, and the size of what they are undertaking: yeah, "swift" is an accurate description.

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My Number I.D. Card = 12,000 yen.

Easy.

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My Number I.D. Card = 100,000 yen. 

Easy. (sorry about previous typo)

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Sounds like the reporting is mere interpretation rather than explicit guidelines.

Also in all this time they never fixed the inexplicable unnecessary 10 character limit form, so that'll go well.

Would suggest forming support groups now while you can

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Not everyone has an email account or a computer...

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Paul

Not everyone has an email account or a computer...

The majority of people do, even the old ones. It's on their smart phones. Most people also have tablets/iPads.

But people I would guess will be able to find access to a computer.

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PaulApr. 18  10:33 pm JST

“Not everyone has an email account or a computer...”

Trust me, you won’t need one. I know plenty of mostly, but not always, older folk living in the countryside without them. There’s no way the government will be leaving them out. 

Zichi, “The majority of people do, even the old ones. It's on their smart phones. Most people also have tablets/iPads.

But people I would guess will be able to find access to a computer.”

Maybe  the majority do but where I live there are many who have none of those. And most of those people wouldn’t know how to operate the computer even if they spent most of the day and plenty of money on bus and train rides to find a computer with public access. I know a lot of older folk doing just fine with their smart phones and tablets but I also know loads who have no experience at all with such. 

BTW many of the public use computers at libraries I’ve seen blocked use of email etc. There’s also not a single net cafe in the city where I live now. People around here aren’t inclined to spend money on such. 

Invalid CSRF

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how many Japanese have a smart phone?

72.6M 57.2% (Source: https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/how-many-phones-are-in-the-world)

How many internet users in Japan?

117 million.

https://www.statista.com/topics/2361/internet-usage-in-japan/

People without smart phones or internet can actually make a postal applications.

Educator60

"Maybe the majority do but where I live there are many who have none of those."

Guess they can just come around to your place then.

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Zichi, “Guess they can just come around to your place then.”

No thanks. I’ve not got the energy to enforce social distancing on crowds lining up to use my iPhone. And having to hang over their shoulders showing them how to use it. Some people I know never even got a flip phone and are still using an old black dial (not push button) landline.

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