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JJE
There's the purple hair again.
The 'quad' should be disbanded as it is obsolete.
deanzaZZR
Free and open. Free and open. The Asia Pacific today is not free and open? Last I checked the trade routes were the busiest of the world connecting China, the factory of the world, to markets across the globe.
Jay
This can only work with Kevin Rudd from the LABOR GOVERNMENT out of the picture. Seriously, the dude never misses an opportunity to embarrass himself. His constant Trump-bashing shows he's more interested in virtue signaling to his globalist mates than actually understanding geopolitics. While serious leaders are focused on strengthening alliances, Krudd is too busy brushing up on his Mandarin and crafting his next anti-Trump X post. Maybe if he spent less time doing either, he'd realize that Trump's presidency did more to bolster the Indo-Pacific strategy than Rudd ever managed in his career of empty platitudes.
TaiwanIsNotChina
That's good because Trump will be AWOL.
isabelle
It is, precisely thanks to the efforts of the free world in opposing aggressive, bad actors like China.
Such efforts (including the Quad) keep in check things like China's ludicrous 9/10-dash line fantasy, and irrational obsession with annexing the peaceful country of Taiwan.
It's clearly not obsolete, since it is still very much functioning and with crucial plans for the future.
Bad actors in the region would love to see it "dissipate like sea foam," but it won't. It's been nearly seven years since Wang said (wished) that, but the Quad has only gotten stronger.
https://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/quad-move-will-dissipate-like-sea-foam-wang-yi-118030801055_1.html
JJE
Aside from non-eventful little meetings, the Quad had not yet achieved much in practice because they have yet to find common ground or a coherent strategic approach.
And this is because that while members have various conflicts with China, those conflicts arise in significantly different areas or with regard to different issues.
For example, the US wants to stop its hegemony being challenged, start wars of aggression and force other countries to subsidize its MIC. India has far fewer issues but border issues that are on the way to being resolved via BRICS. Australia's largest trading partner is China and is trying to bite the mouth that feeds it. Tokyo is hiding behind the skirt of the unipolar apron of its master, harbours fantasies of an 'Asian nato' and is diplomatically and geopolitically feeble, so doesn't really count.
Which means that basing something based on unhinged Sinophobia, hegemonic aggression and warmongering won't work, let alone develop into a military alliance or yield any positive results.
deanzaZZR
Thank goodness the "free world" is keeping open the sea lanes. I mean we would never want to be in a situation where the Australian navy needs to protect trade with China from China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgspkxfkS4k
Geeter Mckluskie
Japan is entering the chip sector, so Taiwan will be irrelevant.
Daniel Neagari
Japan is re-entering the chip making sector WITH the help of Taiwan and a compliment of Taiwan production.. so if Taiwan becames irrelevant so will the Japanese efforts.
Just for you to know.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Still Putin's War.
TaiwanIsNotChina
I suspect it will work better than the Den of Thieves arrangement russia has going on.
Geeter Mckluskie
Yes, initially...then it's buh bye
JJE
That's what this thing is: a cynical US MIC investment club.
India also understands that US warmongering and terrorism directed at Iran is a threat to their regional stability and they remember the Iraq slaughter well. New Delhi will not abandon their non-aligned status to support another mass atrocity by Washington.
Daniel Neagari
That is not how business works, specially regarding high tech matters as microchips.
And that is not how Japan and Taiwan works and their relations are. At least from Japan, 恩と義理がある国に対してそのような扱いはしない。
TaiwanIsNotChina
That is slated to produce real deterrence.
Iran had the choice to not declare war on the US and Israel 46 years go. Also hilarious that the poster considers Iran the victim of terrorism.
Only because India wants to copy the F-35 among other things. That would be the price of real "loyalty".
JJE
One poster mentioned China "annexing" a certain province. False because there is no UN-recognition. It'll be reunification of illegal separatist territory. No charter applies.
Also, they have more than 9 dashes in their line. Looking forward to this same quad explaining upcoming dashes and actions at Greenland and Panama.
Can't see any deterrence coming out of this informal MIC investment club. Nothing is slated or even in the pipeline.
India is the only country in the investment club with a decent and sovereign foreign policy.
isabelle
For once, we agree. (Though, I realize your intention in bringing Iran into this is purely to suggest a split in the Quad, which I seriously doubt will happen.)
Nevertheless, yes India understands the situation very well. Increased tensions with Iran is in no-one's interests (apart from perhaps Israel), and I do hope India can make the US understand this. It is certainly trying.
If the US administration is smart (Trump obviously isn't, but many in Washington are), it will realize that cooperation between India/Iran is a good thing. One example is Chabahar Port, which can increase Central Asia's autonomy, reduce the importance of China-backed Gwadar Port (which is fast becoming a white elephant anyway), and reduce China's influence over West, South and Central Asia (particularly important due to its mineral resources), plus Russia's influence over Central Asia. It can also vastly improve Afghanistan's situation, and the recent cooperation between India and the Taliban suggests it will.
Sadly, Putin's Ukraine folly has ruined much of the potential, at least for the immediate future. A fully-functioning International North-South Transport Corridor (of which Chabahar is part) would do far, far more for Russia than stealing Crimea and the Donbass. I'm sure you realize this, but I don't expect you to post it online.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_North%E2%80%93South_Transport_Corridor
isabelle
It does amuse me how you leap to the defense of the CCP, when the CCP mob hardly ever helps you on the Ukraine threads. I guess that's what comes of Russia being the junior partner in the relationship.
I also look forward to reading your posts once Xi steals your Far East. I do hope you're not too attached to 'Haishenwai.'
https://cepa.org/article/goodbye-vladivostok-hello-haishenwai/
JJE
Transport corridors (which are proceeding) have nothing to do with vital, absolutely critical national security real estate, and keeping that away from offensive alliances.
You might not be aware that two countries mentioned in concert have demarcated/settled borders in the 2000's, ending their decades long border dispute. This was ratified by both countries.
It's just three lettered propaganda that one is falling for when subscribing to that delusion and nothing more.
Hopefully India and China can settle theirs (they made fantastic progress during the last BRICS summit).
Ricky Kaminski13
Penny Wong has been more Wong than right on the global stage representing Australia, a bit of residue from the last wave of appeasers, but they all still agree that we are allies and players of the western alliance. Even they couldn’t jump that ship. Says a lot for prudence, the road forward and yes, bring in the quad!
isabelle
If you believe everything is settled, you know little about the CCP.
(My guess is that you don't believe that and, quite rightly, distrust the CCP as much as the rest of us.)
JJE
Your guess is wrong.
We don't subscribe to nasty China bashing with an unapologetic neo-colonialist mentality.
Most of the members - bar India - are there truly motivated by nonsensical reasons: the waffle from Mr Purple pontificating about 'realizing a free and open Indo-Pacific', to Australia barking about "multilayered" cooperation. The US's motivation of turning it into an investment club for their MIC is a wolf dressed up in sheep's clothing; in reality it's a nasty piece of work.
isabelle
Okay, but just remember that you can't trust a dictator.
Putin may be making the same mistake with Xi that Stalin made with Hitler.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#Termination
TaiwanIsNotChina
A disgusting war to eradicate 24 million people will still be exactly that. Nothing illegal about Taiwan's position as the UN changed and not anything else.
And a very long skirt if the PRC thinks it is hiding behind it.
Actions haven't happened yet. Russia's disgusting war of aggression is right now.
The deterrence is every nuclear sub produced.
But not a pro-China one, despite their shared investment club membership.
Geeter Mckluskie
At least for now. Once their infrastructure is in place and in full swing, then Taiwan will be seen as a competitor.
It doesn't work to prop up a competitor
Fos
Another desperate attempt of the US big industrial military complex to enhance their profits in Wall Street by pushing the warmongering manipulative narrative against China, hoping to get more business of weapons sale in Asia
Fos
Reality check: United States of America military spending in 2023 was over $900 billions, 3 times as much as China, based on the statistics from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute
The U.S. controls about 800 military bases in more than 90 countries worldwide, as opposed to 3 or 4 of China globally. And yet the US military-industrial complex narrative wants us to believe it’s China and Russia that seek world domination and are the biggest threat to world peace, not the United States.
China has not been engaged in military activity for the past forty years. In that time, the US has overthrown numerous governments and illegally invaded many countries.
The anti-Beijing hysteria is clearly being led by the White House which is not concerned that China will attack other countries, but is worried that its world hegemony is being challenged