G7 foreign ministers agree on unity over China as talks begin in Japan

The official US view Taiwan will be overhelm ,by China air superiority ,at the start of a war

The official US view Taiwan will be overhelmed ,by China air superiority ,at the start of a war

According to the Pentagon. Status quo is best and what China and Taiwan wants.

If you are an advocate on “democracy” and a very “vibrant” I’ve at that in Taiwan, then you have no choice to respect what the people in Taiwan wants. The Constitution, law and the foundation of “rules based societies” states Taiwan is China.

If course that can be changed but the reason it hasn’t us because those who desire do not have the numbers supporting this change. It is overwhelmingly stays quo.

If you want to amend the constitution, you need a supermajority which the DPP, Tsai’s party and government, does not have. You also need a referendum in which an absolute majority votes in favor of changing the constitution.

If you try to do an end run around the constitution, then you need to pass a referendum bill, and then somehow get people to see this as legitimate. One big problem is that if you do something that is clearly unconstitutional, you are going to have problems getting the military and the government officials to agree to what you did, and if there is any sort of civil turmoil, you have just given the PLA a good excuse to “restore order.”

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The official US view Taiwan will be overhelmed ,by China air superiority ,at the start of a war

According to the Pentagon. Status quo is best and what China and Taiwan wants.

CCP propaganda. Taiwan would be just fine with the status quo. But China absolutely must take control of Taiwan if they are to break the First Island Chain. A continued statis quo will prevent that. This is why China is willing to use military force against Taiwan.

I guess the Pentagon, official view of Taiwan,being overhelm,by China is Chinese propaganda,maybe if you were an American,you would embrace critical thinking,instead of self deluded propaganda,that only exist in your own thinking

""The Group of Seven foreign ministers on Sunday agreed that unity between the major industrialized nations will be key in dealing with geopolitical issues in the Indo-Pacific, as China grows increasingly assertive in the region and North Korea continues to advance its missile and nuclear weapons programs.""

Agree to some point, but instead of spending all this energy tackling China how about bringing China onboard and win it's trust.

If you can't beat them JOIN them, China is a super power like it or not, we must recognize it and work on improving this relationship so we can all live in peace and prosperity.

If you are an advocate on “democracy” and a very “vibrant” I’ve at that in Taiwan, then you have no choice to respect what the people in Taiwan wants. The Constitution, law and the foundation of “rules based societies” states Taiwan is China.

None of this implies they will go under the PRC in 1000 years.

if there is any sort of civil turmoil, you have just given the PLA a good excuse to “restore order.”

No one will change their warplans because of PRC propaganda. Shooting missiles and trying to blockade will not be interpreted as "restoring order".

Does that include spying on some of your closest allies?

"free and open international order based on the rule of law,"

Let's ALL agree to talk with China, more proxy wars utilizing mismatched countries not the answer, need to find sustainable peaceful path!

Let's ALL agree to talk with China, more proxy wars utilizing mismatched countries not the answer, need to find sustainable peaceful path!

It is China and Russia squashing smaller countries. Place the blame where it belongs.

Does that include spying on some of your closest allies?

No, spying is not covered under international law.

It's a "G7" with 8 people at the table. Despite the sluggish grins, most of the countries represented there are in and/or approaching recession, stagnant economic growth, especially the European ones - which have voluntarily cut themselves off from one the key drivers of post-war prosperity - relatively cheap, close and plentiful access to Russian energy and minerals. Now that goes to Beijing, the BRIC(s) and other friendly countries.

which have voluntarily cut themselves off from one the key drivers of post-war prosperity - relatively cheap, close and plentiful access to Russian energy and minerals. Now that goes to Beijing, the BRIC(s) and other friendly countries.

1) Russia's not the only source of cheap fossil fuels 2) Peking only needs 3x it's gdp to equal the US per capita. Best of luck!

The EU has no firepower to fight China.

They are the one looking like fools,when the Pentagon said the defense of Taiwan is a lost cause,then why are the having a meeting then,when the cat out the bag

China's got LOTS of problems, especially fact that most do not like or trust them or especially their Govt.

Nobody wins a 'fight', that should be clear, so how to best coordinate and manage pragmatic but cautious relation with China's the only viable path.

Something tells me Chinese tech. won't be making its way into anything meaningful anywhere, they're clearly on a downward path now, as top talent there equally fearful of their leadership as they should be, Taiwan behavior, more proof positive of their TRUE character!

The EU has no firepower to fight China.

Maybe the west should just appease China??

I know! Let's offer them Japan as compensation.

This is something that has baffled me in all this conjecture about China and Taiwan. Russia invades Ukraine. The US has no security alliance with Ukraine. Russia has nukes. No US boots on the ground. If China invades Taiwan. The US has no security alliance with Taiwan. China has nukes. US boots on the ground? If so, how is it explained.

G7 foreign ministers agree on unity over China as talks begin in Japan?

G7 foreign ministers agree on US stance over China as talks begin in Japan-this better headline.as no other opinion that US one will be allowed.

The First Island Chain starts at Japan anf includes Taiwan and Okinawa. It does not end at the PI. Education before posting.

This is something that has baffled me in all this conjecture about China and Taiwan. Russia invades Ukraine. The US has no security alliance with Ukraine. Russia has nukes. No US boots on the ground. If China invades Taiwan. The US has no security alliance with Taiwan. China has nukes. US boots on the ground? If so, how is it explained.

There is a 70 year history of the US helping Taiwan defend itself. It's understood based on previous US actions, the Taiwan Relations act, and the huge bipartisan support for Taiwan and against China, that this can include direct US intervention. Notice nobody really got upset when Biden announced the US would intervene. It's night and day the difference in circumstances with Ukraine. Then you have the fact that US bases in Japan and South Korea are based on the US being ready and willing to intervene against China if needed. It's likely we would be asked to leave if the US suddenly chickened out. Also, have you ever met a war the US wasn't willing to start? If we had a surrender president like 45 in there, you might be right that there would be a question mark over the US response but not with Biden at the helm.

Agree to some point, but instead of spending all this energy tackling China how about bringing China onboard and win it's trust.

If you can't beat them JOIN them, China is a super power like it or not, we must recognize it and work on improving this relationship so we can all live in peace and prosperity.

They did try. The US wanted was opened to working with China after China helped bail the US out of the GFC in 2008. In order to avoid future conflicts or war between US and China, the G2 concept idea was put together. This world ain't big enough for two superpowers.

Talk is cheap. The last time we fought China there was a military draft. My father was drafted and fortunately did not get any closer to the action than Alaska. All those talking about war, I hope you aren't draft age eligible.

Having said that, every time Biden directly said the US would support Taiwan militarily his team walked it back the next day.

see themselves as "Taiwanese"

We're talking about two different things. Hypothetically speaking, even if 100% of the Taiwanese see themselves as Taiwanese and not Chinese, the people in government does not have the majority to change the Constitution that says Taiwan is province of China.

A poll taken versus the Constitution of Taiwan. What are you trying to say, the former should be law and the latter just for reference?

If we had a surrender president like 45 in there, you might be right that there would be a question mark over the US response but not with Biden at the helm.

Hopeless.

The US has no security alliance with Taiwan. China has nukes. US boots on the ground? If so, how is it explained.

Not to mention what the government says about Ukraine are lies anyway as one 21 year old broke the story. He is being arrested for telling the truth. Sounds like "China" if you ask me...lol.

So now they say the documents have all been doctored. This administration is a joke. They are secretly in a war that their government did not approve.

Agree to some point, but instead of spending all this energy tackling China how about bringing China onboard and win it's trust.

If you can't beat them JOIN them, China is a super power like it or not, we must recognize it and work on improving this relationship so we can all live in peace and prosperity.

Why would we offer them one inch of territory to "bring them onboard"? Especially when the people there don't want enslavement.

If you are an advocate on “democracy” and a very “vibrant” I’ve at that in Taiwan, then you have no choice to respect what the people in Taiwan wants. The Constitution, law and the foundation of “rules based societies” states Taiwan is China.

I hope you realize this has no bearing on whether the Taiwanese want the status quo which is PRC OUT. The PRC has demonstrated no acceptance of the status quo lately.

DeanzaZZR are you talking post WW 2 in China Operation Beleaguer? or Korean War?

Talk is cheap. The last time we fought China there was a military draft. My father was drafted and fortunately did not get any closer to the action than Alaska. All those talking about war, I hope you aren't draft age eligible.

Having said that, every time Biden directly said the US would support Taiwan militarily his team walked it back the next day.

The US does not have a military alliance with Taiwan. They are just getting rid of their inventory of military hardware. The chronoogy goes like this.

a) US: China we need your help.

b) China: Okay, remove all your military bases, miliarty personnel, and all nuclear missiles from Taiwan. And say there is only one China and Taiwan is a part of China.

c) US: Okay, we'll do it. (Goes and does what China says.)

A few defense arms industry lawmakers balked, "but we won't be able to sell arms to Taiwan if we did that." US adminstration says, but that's what they've asked and we have no choice. We can make a Taiwan Relations Act and you can still sell your shat to Taiwan if you want, but it's already a done deal.

The US regrets its decision to obey China to this very day. They could've had bases all over the east and west coast of the island of Taiwan, an important part of the 1st Island Chain.

a) US: China we need your help. 

The only "help" China provided was not being a slave to the Soviet Union which would have happened anyways because Russia is now the dog in the relationship.

The US does not have a military alliance with Taiwan. They are just getting rid of their inventory of military hardware.

Keep pushing that line the US won't intervene. I am quite confident Biden never saw a war he didn't like and so have his advisors.

DeanzaZZR are you talking post WW 2 in China Operation Beleaguer? or Korean War?

Talk is cheap. The last time we fought China there was a military draft. 

China Operation Beleaguer was not a "war with China." If you mean indirectly, you would also include the Vietnam War.

Yeah, the US loved all those bases in martial law era Taiwan to support operations in Vietnam. Those were the days!

I just pray for cooler heads. I have lived and worked in both Taiwan and China. Speaking (writing) as an American we share many commonalities.

Peace, not war.

Too bad for China its propaganda machine is only effective on brainwashing their citizens.

The rest of the world is disgusted by China’s violent new chapter on innocent people. Just look at what happened in Hong Kong.

China has stockpiled massive amounts of weapons for this, yet they really have no experience using them.

And what is this person involved with?

Deputy Secretary-General of the European External Action Service (EEAS) Enrique Mora

EU has no meaning apart from a common treaty to buy and sell products and services at lower rates of tax -freedom of movement is a plus and a minus

Anything else is not needed…

China has allies and friends too !

No, it has partners in crime that like the investment with zero accountability. Even Vietnam is not in China's camp.

Well...USA never planned to defend Taiwan anyway.

Keep pushing that line. Xi clearly doesn't think Taiwan has no allies or he wouldn't back down repeatedly.

I think my answer was wholly relevant to your point, and believe my explanation is a far more accurate summation of the current situation than yours.

@Xavier

Beating a dead horse here but it seems your sources are limited therefore your view is narrow due to the lack of sources. This does not imply being narrow minded.

There are protests and marches in Taiwan this April 2023. I’m not sure you are aware. You won’t find news of that here right?

The primary reasons for the protests can be broken down into some key points.

Protests about Tsai going to the United States and dealing with the United States.

A great deal of dissatisfaction with the DPP (Tsai in wen political party) and it’s adoration of the United States.

An urgency in the reunification efforts between China and Taiwan. They believe that the longer this is delayed, the greater the chance that Taiwan will become the “next Ukraine”.

Upset at the “hollowing out” of the major industrial base by Tsai ing wen. (IC chip fab sell-offs)

The videos are all over social media but in Chinese. I’ve summarized the points for you above FWIW.