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U.S. power waning in Pacific, warns top Australian think tank

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I often hear this by defenders of the US. However, "at least we are better than China" falls somewhat short of what the founding fathers intended.

This is why whaddabout culture is so damaging. It justifies ignoring issues because someone else has done something worse. It's the source of stagnation, and poison to improvement and innovation.

The right royally screwed things up by trying to escape their responsibility for the invasion of Iraq, a colossal failure in leadership, with eight years of 'but whaddabout', obstructing progress due to their pissiness about not being re-elected after their colossal Iraq screwup.

And now they whine about living in the environment they created.

Well that's what happens when you don't take responsibility for your actions, and instead double down on stupid; things get worse.

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China is simple replacing the US" would be fine if they were a democracy and not an un-elected one-party dictatorship. Many posters here denigrate the US, Japan, etc without fear of prosecution. In China one can not legally express opinions counter to that of the state. 

I often hear this by defenders of the US. However, "at least we are better than China" falls somewhat short of what the founding fathers intended. At the rate it's going, it may not be long before Americans can even say that truthfully.

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So many down votes from people who have no argument to voice. One gets the feeling they know full well the greatest threat to peace and stability is not China but the United States, they are just loathe to admit it.

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Who are the authors of this report anyway ?

And who are paying to them ?

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Hmm. I wonder if this kind of talk, y'know, maybe down the road bringing nukes into Aussie land, has anything to do with that kerfuffle in Hong Kong...

Yeah. It does.

Calm down everybody, This is how diplomacy works. Never forget: Canon is the last argument of Kings. Not the first, or the second, but the last. And wispers in corners about biggerer and bettterer canons is somewhere in the middle.

Be that as it may, those here worried about the future should be: either the US and China figure out some way to peacefully make room for China's new economic and military might - China's, ahem, Place in the Sun -- then Europe's past may very well be East Asia's future.

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Many posters here denigrate the US, Japan, etc without fear of prosecution. In China one can not legally express opinions counter to that of the state.

I admit I do prefer the farm where I can bleat freely. But I do not suffer the delusion that my bleatings might be heeded by the butchers. Our democracy might be slightly more believable than theirs too.

China is a bully nation that uses it greater size and power to expand it;s control over smaller weaker neighbors.

Not really. China has not invaded anyone in a very long time. Meanwhile the U.S. has invaded several far off neighborhoods.

What should the US and Allied nations do about China's expansion?

Do you live in an alternate reality? Its America that practically has China surrounded with an expanding global empire of bases. I hardly agree with China, but their sights are clearly set on areas with historical relations to China.

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the time may come when it is too late to stop the most militarily and economically powerful dictatorship in the history of this planet.

Was the U.S. meant to attack itself??

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Japan can't afford to behave violently again, the time has long gone. Japan has to be careful about Australia, and be away from it. If Australia wants to fight against China, it is their business, Japan is not a part of it.

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OssanAmerica, China has 8000 years civilization, and traditionally Chinese leaders have to be chosen through rigorous tests and examinations. What good is it if you elect a leader but he/she can't perform ? China is big, but never invaded Japan. Japan is small but invaded neighbors multiple times. Don't tell me that Japan was simply follow the west examples. Wrong is wrong and crime is crime.

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Some posters equate China and the US as both being dictatorships. The difference is that in 1 year or 5, we can get rid of our current idiot leader. In China, Xi Jing Ping is the ruler for life, with no mechanism for the Chinese people to vote. Xi's policies, of military and territorial expansion, of taking Taiwan by force are not going to change through any change in administration. The world's eyes are on Hong Kong now.

China is a bully nation that uses it greater size and power to expand it;s control over smaller weaker neighbors. Whether one agrees or disagrees with US policy, it's the only country that can balance that threat. Hence, the US is welcomed by China's Asian neighbors.

China is simple replacing the US" would be fine if they were a democracy and not an un-elected one-party dictatorship. Many posters here denigrate the US, Japan, etc without fear of prosecution. In China one can not legally express opinions counter to that of the state. Only an idiot would support such a regime gaining more power and influence over more parts of this world. This is the hypocrisy of the Wumao crowd.

What should the US and Allied nations do about China's expansion? They already are. But more is needed. Open support for the people of Hong Kong, support for Taiwan independence, etc. The current US administration's position on China may be the only policy that makes any sense since they took over.

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Why would US has to defend allies ? Based on what UN laws ? Why would US has to be against China ? Based on what philosophy ? If Australia is afraid of justice, then don't make enemies.

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No empire lasts forever, and the American empire is certainly on the wane. Countries like Japan and Australia will need to look after themselves increasingly in the future. The Chinese empire is nothing new of course - it has been waxing and waning for millenia, though its resources now place it very well for a period of significant expansion. The question now is the extent to which those nations which stand to lose to that expansion can stand on their own two feet.

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the time may come when it is too late to stop the most militarily and economically powerful dictatorship in the history of this planet.

Are you talking about the USA or China here?

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Well it is time for the USA to GO HOME NOW.

Let the allies fight China themselves, It is Japan, Taiwan, S. Korea and Australia to fend for themselves. Let China have the Pacific. Allies complain on US Forces so hope Trump takes them all home. Time for all in teh Pacific to Learn Chinese. If the Allies want the US Mercenary Forces then they need to pay for it. OR learn to speak mandarin. Good Luck we will not come back!

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RecklessToday 03:20 pm JST

@Peter14: I think Australia is simply too small to do all of that. Better to leverage its strength with allied countries.

A developed nation of over 25 Million people with abundant resources and a proven ability to innovate is capable of doing what I suggested. Israel does much with its defense industry and less than half of Australia's population. If you say you cant then you wont try. If you say you can then you give it a go and progress in the right direction until you achieve your goals.

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The US has not engaged in conflict with either of those countries.

What hole have you been living in for the past two and a half years? Trump conflicts with EVERYONE. He can't even not conflict with his own party and people.

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If the United States and allied nations do not heed this warning the time may come when it is too late to stop the most militarily and economically powerful dictatorship in the history of this planet.

It's never too late to stop a dictatorship, whether in Beijing or Washington.

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Under Trump's leadership, the US has engaged in many unnecessary conflicts (Iran, North Korea, and the traditional allies around the world). In this way, it does not have adequate resource, force, and determination to stop China from taking the whole Southeast Asia Sea

The US has not engaged in conflict with either of those countries.

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With four times the population of the U.S., it is inevitable that China will increase its military power relative to the U.S..

On the other hand, having an idiot for a president doesn't help.

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US try to ally with India against China but on 27.02.19, Pakistan Air Force outclassed India by downing its two jets. Now US has concerns over India's ability to do so.

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Under Trump's leadership, the US has engaged in many unnecessary conflicts (Iran, North Korea, and the traditional allies around the world). In this way, it does not have adequate resource, force, and determination to stop China from taking the whole Southeast Asia Sea.

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they always have the nuclear option

Yep, you are right.

They do have that.

gary

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So much for Obama's "pivot" to Asia.  another of his windy assertions that didn't come to pass.

Anyway, so what?

Worse comes to the worse they always have the nuclear option.......

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@Peter14: I think Australia is simply too small to do all of that. Better to leverage its strength with allied countries.

Keep in mind that the military industrial complex needs and loves the China threat to ensure revenue.

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What Australia needs is self sufficiency in Defense. It needs to develop its own intermediate ballistic missiles. It needs a much bigger military as what it currently has is almost laughably small. It needs to be building its own Jet fighters and MBT's under license if need be. Of course it wont do any of that as it lacks leadership and foresight.

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it's not like Australia is going to spurn Communist China

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And what exactly are the Pacific nations doing to embrace American protection? They keep giving away their land and seas to chinese money.

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@OssanAmerica

What do you propose?

Should the US do as China is doing and continue to print money without regards to what its actual value will become?

Regardless of what you would like to believe, China's military spending is not because it wants to stand up against the US or go to war with the US. A war such as that is something both sides cannot afford. China is seeking to replace the US. The same way the US stood up to replace the UK and the same way other countries have stood up to replace the countries where the sun has started to set.

China is simply positioning itself to be chosen as the next replacement.

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The last paragraph gives the game away: make Australians panic so the US can come and set up their new intermediate range nuclear missiles in Australia.

Same strategy to be employed in Japan.

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And the sky is falling...

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Has there ever been a Chinese warship in the Gulf of Mexico? Just cruisin'? Are American 'defenses' in the Gulf area not complete and 'appropriate'? So too, the South China Sea to China, maybe? Is China invading countries all over the world under the direction of outside players who hold China's management in both financial and criminal ways in their control? No. Does China have hostile forces located in every country which can be coerced into allowing it? No. Is China a trade BULLY on the world stage. No. Is America ALL of the things which America accuses China of being? Yes. Forget it Aussies, you're going to have open your own pocket book if your paranoia increases.

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heed this warning

And do what?

I know the ascendancy of a virile China are upsetting to say the least, but what are the options?

War, embargo, sanctions, promotion of an internal revolution, promotion of an internal confusion by covert means. etc.

Choose your pioson.

Gary

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Japan, South Korea, and SE Asian countries can kiss the US protection goodbye. The US does not have the power projection and ground forces to fend off China's grab for islands in South China Sea or Taiwan. Japan doesn't have booths on the ground at the disputed Senkaku Islands so China can land troops and take possession of it - hey its disputed, that what it is !! PM Abe need to put a small coast guard station on the islands !!

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If the United States and allied nations do not heed this warning the time may come when it is too late to stop the most militarily and economically powerful dictatorship in the history of this planet.

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