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U.S. seeks united front in Asia despite Korea, Japan tensions

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By CHRIS MEGERIAN, MARI YAMAGUCHI and TONG-HYUNG KIM

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do not start a war! make peace in this world!

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I don’t see too much tension between Japan and Korea.

At least during the many times that I have traveled between the two countries.

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"U.S. seeks united front in Asia despite Korea, Japan tensions"

So the U.S. continues to try to drag Nihon and Hanguk into increased U.S. mediated hostility with their largest and most powerful neighbor. President Yoon, for all of his conservative militarism, has recently stated he would prefer that Hanguk have no part of the Taiwan issue. A 'united front' in self-defense of their own best interests would be for PM Kishida to join Mr. Yoon in declaring the Taiwan issue, as currently being portrayed and pursued by the U.S., as 'interference in the internal affairs of another country' and, as such, none of their business. Even if the bully OWNS you, there has to be a limit to what they can force one to do in risking the welfare of their own people for gain what only benefits the bully.

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They just want to be in control of their puppet circus because they can't bear to lose their global influence to China.

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However, the official said the U.S. had a limited role to play.

“It’s not for us to mediate or negotiate or broker what that relationship should look like,” the official said.

The US once brokered and backed the 2015 pact for Japan and Korea regarding the comfort women (at the time Biden was Vice President while Kishida served as Foreign Minister). South Korea under the Moon administration breached the deal. The US must learn some lessons from it.

Behind the Comfort Women Agreement

https://toyokeizai.net/articles/-/99891

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They just want to be in control of their puppet circus because they can't bear to lose their global influence to China.

Utter ludicrous nonsense.

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South Korea believes it is entitled to additional compensation from Japan and a more fulsome acceptance of guilt. 

Not an appropriate use of "fulsome."

Grammar rules aside, it's shameful and pathetic that two countries that should be allied in these very dangerous times are instead bickering over a war that ended almost 80 years ago.

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do not start a war! make peace in this world!

USA is good at starting wars, losing and leaving others to clean the mess while walking away with mass profits. Google Halliburton etc…

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They just want to be in control of their puppet circus because they can't bear to lose their global influence to China.

Utter ludicrous nonsense.

Exactly!

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Which broke 1965 treaty? Which broke 2015 agreement? Which initiated a hostile act by irradiating fire-control radar to a Japanese patrol plane to hide secret mission on be half of NK? Which has been practicing military drills over disputed islands?

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Japan and Korea tension? Created by the Americans themselves! Only people with low IQ could not figure that out.

East Asia is safe and peaceful if being left as it is, without American interference and intervention. But an unstable East Asia is good for military business, which is Americas major economic driving force.

FACT!

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Sadly the American military, foreign policy regime and think tanks have learned nothing from the failures of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. It's the same old recipe which leads to conflict and potential war with no winners, only losers.

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Hopefully Japan and Korea will unite. Usually it won't happen until war starts. Unless that happens SK will keep this government policy of anti-Japanese education/political for another 100 years.

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America and her thuggish occupying forces in Japan and South Korea has been a parasite for 70 plus years, everyyear seeking greedy "Occupying Fees" like Mafia's extortion of shop owners and residences. Their sildiers or sailors frequently harassing or sexual assaulting local women, they hates you more than anyone. And America is looking for someone to die for your crumbling hegemony? Very Naïve !

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Didn’t Japan already pay a fortune to the two Koreas to resolve the comfort women issue a long time ago?

Unfortunately, most, if not all of the victims, never saw a penny of it because of their own corrupt governments stole all of it. Now most of the victims have passed away without ever having received any help. The money was there, but the victims never saw it.

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Harris vows to back Taiwan against China's aggression:

"China has flexed its military/economic might to intimidate its neighbors. We have witnessed provocations across Taiwan Strait," said VP.

Is it?

So such is the disgusting/bias comment made by VP in hiding the real aggressor.

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USA are the biggest bullies of them all

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I saw a footage of Chinese Sukhoi fighters flew across a US navy Burke class destroyer at sea, location might be the Taiwan strait. That says all !

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@venze Has she forgotton who invaded and inflicted heavy casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, two wars for 20 years of tragedies to the local people? And she criticise China of aggression? Hypocrities!

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 saw a footage of Chinese Sukhoi fighters flew across a US navy Burke class destroyer at sea, location might be the Taiwan strait. That says all !

Oh Boy, Sick Burn!

Never mind that China's planes are crap versions of Russia's crap planes and that this particular plane was tracked from the moment it showed up on the Aegis radar.

But other than that, well played, China!

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Japan and Korea tension?Created by the Americans themselves!

You don't know Japanese and Korean history very do you ?

Japan first invaded korea in 1592

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Awa no GaijinToday  04:09 pm JST

Japan and Korea tension?Created by the Americans themselves!

You don't know Japanese and Korean history very do you ?

Japan first invaded korea in 1592

Koreans, together with Chinese under Mongol leadership invaded Japan in 1274 and 1281.

Going back further the Yaoi People from the Korean Penninsula invaded Japan in 300 BC.

You should study more.

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So the U.S. continues to try to drag Nihon and Hanguk into increased U.S. mediated hostility with their largest and most powerful neighbor.

Your living in your own world of the past. Nihon and Hanguk no longer exist by those names and you referring to ancient labels few know about is not doing your argument any favors.

Also it is China attempting to drag the region into conflict, one nation at a time. The US builds alliances for peace and to maintain freedom for all.

A 'united front' in self-defense of their own best interests would be for PM Kishida to join Mr. Yoon in declaring the Taiwan issue, as currently being portrayed and pursued by the U.S., as 'interference in the internal affairs of another country'

That would be supporting China's lie. Taiwan is an international issue and effects the region and the world. Taiwan has NEVER been ruled by the CCP and so has NEVER been an internal matter of China's. Taiwan is independent from any other nation regardless of what China declares or what arguments it puts forward. Taiwan rules itself and does not submit to the CCP wishes, rules, laws or ego's. But China does not let the facts of reality cloud it's fantasy position.

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SeigiToday  09:25 am JST

Japan and Korea tension? Created by the Americans themselves! Only people with low IQ could not figure that out.

East Asia is safe and peaceful if being left as it is, without American interference and intervention. But an unstable East Asia is good for military business, which is Americas major economic driving force.

FACT!

Tension between Japan and South Korea, I repeat, South Korea.. is not something created by Americans. If you disagree, do elaborate how

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Awa no GaijinToday  04:09 pm JST

Japan and Korea tension?Created by the Americans themselves!

You don't know Japanese and Korean history very do you ?

Japan first invaded korea in 1592

And you don't know East Asian history do you? China or East Asia cannot be talked about without bloody wars' histories. Using the word " Invaded" in such a simple way is just laughable

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How can you build relationships when everyone hates each others guts ?

This is a tricky position to try and work within. I personally don't feel Harris has it, to make things work.

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@OssanAmerica

Going back further the Yaoi People from the Korean Penninsula invaded Japan in 300 BC.

You should study more.

I believe the word you are tripping over here is "migration".

Here some badly needed context:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yayoi_period#Origin_of_the_Yayoi_people

The origin of Yayoi culture and the Yayoi people has long been debated. 

...

During the Yayoi period, cultural features from Korea and China arrived in this area at various times over several centuries, and later spread to the south and east. This was a period of mixture between immigrants and the indigenous population, and between new cultural influences and existing practices.

Chinese influence was obvious in the bronze and copper weapons, dōkyō, dōtaku, as well as irrigated paddy rice cultivation. Three major symbols of Yayoi culture are the bronze mirror, the bronze sword, and the royal seal stone.

...

However, some scholars argue that the rapid increase of roughly four million people in Japan between the Jōmon and Yayoi periods cannot be explained by migration alone. They attribute the increase primarily to a shift from a hunter-gatherer to an agricultural diet on the islands, with the introduction of rice. It is quite likely that rice cultivation and its subsequent deification allowed for a slow and gradual population increase.

Regardless, there is archaeological evidence that supports the idea that there was an influx of farmers from the continent to Japan that absorbed or overwhelmed the native hunter-gatherer population.

...

According to several linguists, Japonic was present on large parts of the southern Korean peninsula. These "Peninsular Japonic languages" were replaced by Koreanic-speakers (possibly belonging to the Han-branch) likely causing the Yayoi migration.

> Similarly Whitman (2012) suggests that the Yayoi are not related to the proto-Koreans but that they were present on the Korean peninsula during the Mumun pottery period. According to him, Japonic arrived in the Korean peninsula around 1500 BC and was brought to the Japanese archipelago by the Yayoi at around 950 BC. The language family associated with both Mumun and Yayoi culture is Japonic. Koreanic arrived later from Manchuria to the Korean peninsula at around 300 BC and coexist with the descendants of the Japonic Mumun cultivators (or assimilated them). Both had influence on each other and a later founder effect diminished the internal variety of both language families.

But the biggest take on the "migration" being:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yayoi_people

The Yayoi people (弥生人, Yayoi jin) were an ancient ethnicity that migrated to the Japanese archipelago from Korea and China during the Yayoi period (300 BCE–300 CE).

> Although highly controversial, a single study that utilized radiometric dating techniques inconclusively suggested a period that began between 1000 and 800 BCE.

>  They interacted, intermarried, and warred with the established Jōmon people to form the modern Japanese people. Modern Japanese people have primarily Yayoi ancestry (about 90% on average, with their remaining ancestry deriving from the Jōmon).

...

The modern Yamato people are predominantly descendants of the Yayoi people and closely related to other modern East Asians, particularly Koreans and Han Chinese.

> It is estimated that the majority of Japanese people around Tokyo have about 12% Jōmon ancestry or less.

> A genome research (Takashi et al. 2019) confirmed that modern Japanese (Yamato) descend mostly from the Yayoi people. Mitochondrial DNA analysis of Jōmon and modern Japanese samples show that there is a discontinuity between the mtDNAs of people from the Jōmon period and people from the Kofun and Heian periods. This finding implies that the genetic conversion of the Japanese people may have occurred during or before the Kofun era, at least at the Shomyoji site.

Recent studies have revealed that Jomon people are considerably genetically different from any other population, including modern-day Japanese.

— Takahashi et al. 2019, (Adachi et al., 2011; Adachi and Nara, 2018)

Another genetic study (2019) estimated that modern Japanese (Yamato) share more than 90% of their genome with the Yayoi people and less than 10% with the Jomon.

While an influx from another region may indeed generate tension or even clashes (read: war), does migration bring many things to tis destination: technology, craft, arts, a perspective and a more than healthy enrichment of the genetic pool. Short: migration is not only desirable, it is necessary to evolution and survival as well as cultural development.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_human_migration#Pre-modern_history

The first migration started a whopping 1.75 million years ago. Humans have been on the move ever since they started to stand on their hind legs. This is far before modern constructs, such as: nation/country, border, nationality, anthem, nationalism, patriotism and...xenophobia and racism.

We are all the products of migratory fluxes from the earlier generations. ALL OF US. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.

You should study more.

You should heed your own advice.

@KennyG

And you don't know East Asian history do you? China or East Asia cannot be talked about without bloody wars' histories. 

You forgot migratory fluxes. Refer to the above.

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