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R. T.Today  07:18 am JST

We've been hearing about "China's rise" for many years.

China lied to the world about a "Peaceful Rise" for over a decade. The cat is now out of the bag and the world will not allow it.

The truth is, Japan is jealous of China because they're doing much better, economy wise, than Japan. Every few months we hear about another Japanese firm going bankrupt.You have lost, Japan. Admit it.

Countless Chinese have been and continue to leave China. In fact many of them "escape" to Japan. No democratioc country is jealous of China for the simple reason that the populace has no desire to live under an unelected totalitarian dictatorship. Admit it, China is the most hated country in Asia and working hard to make it the entire world. It's sad that you have such a complex towards Japan though.

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Vietnam is not enough. ASEAN as a whole needs to join the anti-China alliance along with the USA, Japan, India and Europe.

15 ( +24 / -9 )

Great to see. Vietnam is a beautiful and peaceful nation - just as Japan is. Freedom-loving Vietnam is to be supported in standing up to big bully, Communist China. They defeated the USA, so Commie China would be wise to respect Vietnams military might.

Would be good to see Vietnam join the QUAD in the next 10 years as they develop further and become stronger.

14 ( +21 / -7 )

It behoves ALL countries in the region to make a united stand against China's incursions in the region, not just Japan and Vietnam, but Thailand, Cambodia, Laos in the immediate region, and India, Pakistan and so on. Support all the like-minded neighbours and the rest of the world may support you too!

13 ( +16 / -3 )

But absolutely agree, Vietnam are now natural allies. A resilient country refusing to bow to China pressure. Good on them, love Vietnam !

12 ( +21 / -9 )

Abe's brother Kishi is very bad news, looking for trouble everywhere. The sooner he is gone the better.

Love how the anti-chinese posters here always refer to "communist" China but never to "communist" Vietnam. lol

11 ( +16 / -5 )

Vietnam in same boat

interesting choice of words..

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Love how the anti-chinese posters here always refer to "communist" China but never to "communist" Vietnam.

But Vietnam is our friend, just like the Taliban! We often overlook our friends' little peccadilloes....

More interesting is that anti-China articles seem to have replaced Olympic articles on Fuji Sankei Today as a distraction from the stark failure of Japan's political leaders and the increasing stagnation of the country.

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Japan is not back in the "War Making" business. Paragraph 1 of article 9 prohibits that. And in fact they are not really "back" in anything. They have covertly been in the "War Supplying" business for some time.

Japan has supplied US with ammunition during the past decade to cover Iraq/Afghanistan shortages. Even in 1991 the cameras on the then-new "smart bombs" that brought Gulf War I to the TVs in American homes were Nikon. If anything is new it's that supplying military equipment can now be done in the open.

6 ( +14 / -8 )

The US has been conducting such spy missions for decades. China has conducted no such missions against the US.

Are you trying to tell us that you think China doesn't spy on the US?

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Freedom-loving Vietnam is to be supported in standing up to big bully, Communist China. 

Who did the Vietnamese vote for in the last election, sport?

Take your time.

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What is "the satin narrative"?

Satan.

The so called Satan narrative is the view that one country, is the ultimate evil. This is the approach that posters who appear to support China have taken, posting that America was built on the backs of slave labor and the genocide of native Americans. The Anti-China crowd will point out that China forced its citizens to abort babies and place those suspected of terrorist acts into concentration camps and torture them.

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Why can't u all just respect China???

I love China, and I have had, and do have, many Chinese friends.

But the CCP is the enemy of the Chinese people, and a threat to the rest of us. They don't care about rights, they care about power, and only power.

That's the difference with the US. America at least ostensibly stands for rights. To be fair, they've trampled on human rights all over the world, and in their own nation, but at least they pretend that rights matter, and enough of them believe that, that some of them still try to protect rights. You get none of that from the CCP.

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Why can't u all just respect China???

Respect is earned. China has no respect for international maritime law as written in UNCLOS and doesn't respect the internationally recognized maritime borders of both Vietnam and China. China even stakes claims to sovereign Japanese territory. How is this even a little bit respectful of Japan?

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OssanAmericaToday  08:59 am JST

Japan is not back in the "War Making" business. Paragraph 1 of article 9 prohibits that. And in fact they are not really "back" in anything. They have covertly been in the "War Supplying" business for some time.

Thanks for confirming that Japan never really got out of the war making business. Oh, I’m sorry; let me split that hair: the war supplying business.

Nothing like sticking to the sprit of the “Peace Constitution.”

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One thing missing from this article is .... How much is Vietnam getting in aid from Japan?

The answer is... Japan is the biggest donor in loans, grants and technical cooperation.

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Exactly. Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar and Pakistan are in immense debt to China. It’s China’s debt-trap diplomacy. Thailand borrowed a lot too.

India and Vietnam have not played ball to China . They are our best allies along with Taiwan.

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Two authoritarian governments trying to convince their people the other is their main issue. Oldest trick in the book. (Not downplaying the ramifications of China's military and economic influence. But while I don't know much about Vietnam, I wish the Japanese leadership was as 'militant' about issues within its borders.)

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What is "the satin narrative"?

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I don't trust the Chinese govt but that doesn't mean i trust the yankees... American govt are known to stir things up creating unecessary tensions - and they have every incentive to do so as the military sector contributes so much to their GDP....

it just sucks to be an asian country - you are kind of stuck in the middle of these two bullies

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@ TARA TAN KITAOKA Today 12:38 am JST

Speaking for myself only, the Chinese are wonderful, warm, intelligent, considerate, thoughtful people, with rich traditions and culture that are irresistible to study and explore. They just don't deserve what is being done to them, in their name, by the Party and its completely irresponsible rulers

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Respect is earned. China has no respect for international maritime law as written in UNCLOS and doesn't respect the internationally recognized maritime borders of both Vietnam and China.

And I should have said: doesn't respect the internationally recognized maritime borders of both Vietnam and Japan. Apologies for any confusion I caused.

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Great to see. Vietnam is a beautiful and peaceful nation - just as Japan is. Freedom-loving Vietnam is to be supported in standing up to big bully, Communist China.

Funny stuff. Communist Vietnam, which is peaceful and freedom loving but is more communistic than China, is standing up to Communist China.

Vietnam is peaceful because they have already liberated their country of American war mongers. China is peaceful because they have a lot of nukes and strong conventional forces making China off limits to American war mongers.

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And there my friend, lies the problem.

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Love how the anti-chinese posters here always refer to "communist" China but never to "communist" Vietnam. lol

They don't understand it word. Vietnam is a communist country that defeated the democratic US in war, but this article show Communist and Democratic countries - Vietnam and Japan - and cooperate together.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Vietnam and Japan alliance.

This alliance sounds truly legitimate and sincere in my opinion.

Both Japan and Vietnam in reality tired of being dominated by other nations and having bin pushed into alliances with or bullied by nations in Europe or Asia.

No need for me to elaborate which countries have hidden agendas and the well documented history.

This alliance with Japan and Vietnam is a good thing .

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as Chinese and Americans have found out in history. You dont mess with Japan or Vietnam, simple as that.

I dont see the logic.

Japan was beating China that had been no threat to them but was defeated by America after attacking at pearl Harbor.

North Vietnam out lasted US resolve and chased the half hearted US out.

Today Japan and Vietnam make natural allies against a common problem nation and that's great. Both are now on the US side of the fence.

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Chinese military interventions or acts of agression against the US: Zero

Incorrect. The US made it very clear through diplomatic channels the US had no interest in a war with China when US Forces were fighting the Korean War. Mao decided to intervene in that war even as the allies repeatedly told China that UN forces would not cross into China or otherwise engage Chinese forces.

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Because China is too pushy too greedy and too selfish. Busy trying to make everyone dependent on them.

If China could stop producing so much junk products and focus on quality not quantity .

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At least in Vietnam, when someone gets the most votes, people agree they won.

The Vietnamese government is chosen through public elections. The Vietnamese Communist Party choses the nations leaders in a manner nearly identical to that of China.

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Why can't u all just respect China???

Because they are currently unworthy of anyone's respect.

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So close to the elections and they are trying to get as much travel in as possible before they get the boot?

Bye bye incompetent government not going to miss you.

Refraining from voting if you have the rights to vote is a mandate to let LDP Govern.

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Chinese military interventions or acts of aggression against the US: Zero

Forgotten the Chinese attack on US and UN forces in Korea already? And that after the US saved China's bacon in WWII. Hows that for gratitude.

1940s-1950s. The US waged a proxy war against China via the forces of Chiang Kai-shek

The US assisted Taiwan in defending itself from constant Chinese attacks.

1945-1949. US occupied parts of China in Operation Beleaguer. Over nearly four years, US forces engaged in more than a dozen skirmishes with the Chinese communist forces.

The US assisted the government of China to resist illegal communist revolutionary forces.

You can color anything as anti US or US aggression or you can look deeper for the actual reason and truth. The fact is neither America nor China are innocent of never having been aggressive to other nations and peoples. Both have violent past's and the winner due to its age would be China. The amount of historical battles between Chinese factions throughout the ages is long and bloody. Warlords and Emperors in China have made battle a staple of their reigns through history for five thousand years.

Now China aims to extend its territories and take by force people currently free, to include in their empire building.

Who is worse? In my mind the evidence shows China has the more violent past by thousands of years. Give America a couple of thousand years and they might catch up to China. The USA is not even one thousand years old yet.

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As Japan doesn’t share a land border with China as Vietnam does, it would be literally impossible for it to be in the same ‘boat’

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This alliance with Japan and Vietnam is a good thing .

Well argued. Japan and Vietnam are very peaceful nations, with freedom-loving citizens. But if you tread on them, famously they will bite - as Chinese and Americans have found out in history. You dont mess with Japan or Vietnam, simple as that.

The Japan-Vietnam alliance is a huge boost for free nations in the Asian region. More joint Naval and Military exercises should be in order.

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Today Japan and Vietnam make natural allies against a common problem nation and that's great. Both are now on the US side of the fence.

Exactly. I was simply pointing out that Japan and Vietnam - while very peaceful - are not nations you want to have a dog fight with. Teamed up together - and the USA and QUAD - China would be mad to start something.

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Wow you should be a history buff. Looking at all the things you wrote about the US it seems as if you are anti-US and Pro China. Its ok your opinion but have you ever thought about or look into each of those issues. Has the word "TRUST" ever come to your mind? Simply put, there is no country on the face of this earth "TRUST" China today, tomorrow or ever.

@ SpockToday 08:41 am JST

Here is the scorecard of wars between the US and China. You be the judge about who is the bully.

Chinese military interventions or acts of agression against the US: Zero

US military interventions against China sine 1840.

US military forces sent to China after a clash between Americans and Chinese in Canton.

US military forces sent to China to protect American interests in and near Shanghai during Chinese civil strife.

US military forces sent to China to protect American interests in Shanghai.

Battle of the Barrier Forts. US joins the UK in its war to force China to import opium. "

US military forces sent to China for the protection of American interests in Shanghai.

US military forces sent to China to punish an assault on the American consul at Newchwang.

1894-95. US military forces sent to China march on Peking for protection purposes during the Sino-Japanese War.

1894-1895. US Naval vessel beached and used as a fort at Newchwang for protection of American nationals.

US invades China in 1899 to put down the Boxer rebellion.

1911-1941. US military forces occupied various parts of China ostensibly to “protect” American interests.

1945-1949. US occupied parts of China in Operation Beleaguer. Over nearly four years, US forces engaged in more than a dozen skirmishes with the Chinese communist forces.

1940s-1950s. The US waged a proxy war against China via the forces of Chiang Kai-shek.

1950-1953. During the Korean War, US General MacArthur threatened to destroy China unless it surrendered. He also wanted to nuke China. The US bombed Chinese territory just across the Yalu river.

The CIA tried to assassinate Chinese Premier Chou En Lai.

The US bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, Yugoslavia, killing 3 Chinese.

A US spy plane crash landed in China. The US has been conducting such spy missions for decades. China has conducted no such missions against the US.

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Who did the Vietnamese vote for in the last election, sport? 

Take your time.

To be fair, I’m not really in a position to criticize. At least in Vietnam, when someone gets the most votes, people agree they won.

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

let the china-bashing begin!! (though maybe deservedly so....)

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

I feel so sorry for Vietnam in their Covid situation.

Why don’t more people refer to this tragedy.

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What can go wrong sharing the same boat with communists? lol

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Every time there’s an engagement with the pro Chinese mob here on JT and other places too, you hear the same arguments over and over. Like a broken record player. The ‘great satin’ style narrative from the Chinese side. America is bad mmmmkaaaay. Deflection from the actual issue at hand which are happening now, in real time, and don’t need to be seen through the lense of a historical chip on the shoulder.

We get it guys, 100 years of humiliation, but it doesn’t mean you get to control the narrative from inside your own echo chamber. It’s like talking to an activist or someone that has bought too much into idealism. People become blinded by their convictions. Conversation with an ideologue becomes impossible.

Perhaps discussing the sentiment of the Vietnamese people who have had a taste first hand of what Chinese investment in their country looks ( casinos , crooks and thugs ) and tastes like maybe a good start. Why would Vietnam feel the need to partner up with Japan at this particular juncture?

Some deep pondering on why so many countries seem to be rallying against your glorious nation may be time well spent. Try dropping the satin narrative and at least trying to see your own shadow. Recognizing it’s there is the first step. Unless you want to wander about completely deluded. Good news is everyone has one, it’s ok.

As an ex lefty, the anti-west stuff I get, but it’s childish, based from a place of cherry picked facts, bitterness and resentment and hurts the one that holds it more than actually ever changing anything. It’s the simpletons narrative that if we are lucky we get to grow out of. In this sense I still hope people can come to more sophisticated and on point discussions about the many challenges facing the region. This us vs them stuff getting a bit ho hum.

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One thing that Shinzo Abe, Yoshihide Suga did right during their terms is the enhancement of relations with Vietnam.

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doh! Yep that one! The old story that keeps us at war with ourselves.

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Vietnam defeated the USA. Forgot is the Japanese occupation of Vietnam - though the Vietnamese seemingly move-on and the future is the focus. As for China, the Vietnamese fought the Chinese for a thousand years.

China on the rise. Which will not continue onward for any length. A matter of resources. And functioning as the manufacture and assembly hub for the West - which will eventually grind to a halt.

One billion population - completely unsustainable.

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Being interested, I checked on the joint communiqué issued when Vietnamese Foreign Minister Bui Thanh Son met with his Chinese counterpart, Wang Yi, last Saturday. It was full of the usual diplomatic speak: China-Vietnam relations are moving forward despite profound changes in the international situation, and how they attach great importance to developing sustained, healthy and stable relations, and will continue to promote mutual cooperation. And how they exchanged views on international and regional issues of common concern.

And I can offer to reassure the gentlelady that no evidence of illicit virtual anythings seemed to be going on.

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Except for India, China's "investments" in projects and corruption grant them an absolute support in these areas. Strategically speaking, what is there interest in making allies with a US harbor (Japan), a place US will leave as soon as the ratio cost/benefit is not in their favor ? For Vietnam probably some investments, that's it.

It behoves ALL countries in the region to make a united stand against China's incursions in the region, not just Japan and Vietnam, but Thailand, Cambodia, Laos in the immediate region, and India, Pakistan and so on. Support all the like-minded neighbours and the rest of the world may support you too!

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Except for India, China's "investments" in projects and corruption grant them an absolute support in these areas.

Africa is a really good indicator of evil Chinese investments. For well over 100 years Africa was dominated by Western Europe then USA. The result was famine, coups, dictatorships, genocide, desperate poverty and lots more good stuff. In the areas China is now dominating, a growing middle class. Strong economic growth. Massive investments in schools, hospitals, sustainable transportation and lots of other bad stuff.

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I think it was coined by the Iranians back in the day. America was the great satin, responsible for all of the woes in the world. That way you don’t have to take responsibility for your own situation

No matter the nature of the Iranian regime, do you think they were right to have an issue with USA at the time of the overthrow of the previous American sponsored regime?

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

I went to the Ho Chi Minh war museum and witnessed the gruesome after effects of agent Orange-strange that the Vietnamese would favour the Americans more than the Chinese currently…

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

Why can't u all just respect China???

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china and vietnam are in virtual coitus. you japanese KNOW NOTHING

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

While China is planning a take over of the world, the rest of the world is plotting against China.

Except for Russia and Iran.

Does anyone else see WW||| coming to theaters near you?

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Japan has absolutely nothing in common with Vietnam. I can understand Japan’s interest in recruiting allies to its side but China has a unique and historic animosity towards Japan. Not so much with Vietnam. In fact, Vietnam is China’s little red cousin.

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Here is the scorecard of wars between the US and China. You be the judge about who is the bully.

Chinese military interventions or acts of agression against the US: Zero

US military interventions against China sine 1840.

US military forces sent to China after a clash between Americans and Chinese in Canton.

US military forces sent to China to protect American interests in and near Shanghai during Chinese civil strife.

US military forces sent to China to protect American interests in Shanghai.

Battle of the Barrier Forts. US joins the UK in its war to force China to import opium. "

US military forces sent to China for the protection of American interests in Shanghai.

US military forces sent to China to punish an assault on the American consul at Newchwang.

1894-95. US military forces sent to China march on Peking for protection purposes during the Sino-Japanese War.

1894-1895. US Naval vessel beached and used as a fort at Newchwang for protection of American nationals.

US invades China in 1899 to put down the Boxer rebellion.

1911-1941. US military forces occupied various parts of China ostensibly to “protect” American interests.

1945-1949. US occupied parts of China in Operation Beleaguer. Over nearly four years, US forces engaged in more than a dozen skirmishes with the Chinese communist forces.

1940s-1950s. The US waged a proxy war against China via the forces of Chiang Kai-shek.

1950-1953. During the Korean War, US General MacArthur threatened to destroy China unless it surrendered. He also wanted to nuke China. The US bombed Chinese territory just across the Yalu river.

The CIA tried to assassinate Chinese Premier Chou En Lai.

The US bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, Yugoslavia, killing 3 Chinese.

A US spy plane crash landed in China. The US has been conducting such spy missions for decades. China has conducted no such missions against the US.
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The speech at the Vietnamese Defense Ministry came a day after the two countries signed a deal enabling exports of Japanese-made defense equipment and technology to the Southeast Asian country.

Japan back in the war-making business.

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We've been hearing about "China's rise" for many years.

The truth is, Japan is jealous of China because they're doing much better, economy wise, than Japan. Every few months we hear about another Japanese firm going bankrupt.

You have lost, Japan. Admit it.

-21 ( +14 / -35 )

Can't compete, so USA need to create a bogeyman aka China.

So called quad are like NATO , no action talk only, well it better than starting a war where there are no winner.

-25 ( +11 / -36 )

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