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No. My impression of global affairs is that facism is coming back in a big way.

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Like it or not, we are headed for a socialistic one world government dominated by liberal progressive humanists. Those who dissent will be crushed.

If you are like-minded with our future rulers then rejoice, your time has come. If you are a conservative or religious person be prepared.

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The coming socialistic world government will be atheistic in name, but every bit as religious in practice as any traditional religion.

Beware those who 'blaspheme' or disobey the edicts of our soon coming religious rulers.

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Like it or not, we are headed for a socialistic one world government dominated by liberal progressive humanists.

Sounds a lot better than what we have now actually.

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rainyday:

Like it or not, we are headed for a socialistic one world government dominated by liberal progressive humanists.

> Sounds a lot better than what we have now actually.

It will be a lot better than what we have now in many ways. But don't expect freedom to dissent in any way on any issue if you happen to disagree. Our persronal freedoms will be gone and there will be few places beyond their reach. Mass surveillance will see to it.

If we think the KGB was bad wait till they fulfil their long term plans for ultimate power. It will be brutal. The ultimate in dictatorial control of the masses.

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I'm not sure there will be a world left in 20 years, but in case there is, there certainly won't be lots of democracy left, seeing that people keep on voting for the extremists party.

If you are a conservative or religious person be prepared.

Mark my word ! The atheist community counting for 7% of the world population will make religious people their slaves !

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Rollerball

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Mass surveillance will see to it.

This is probably coming....well, its already here to a certain extent, and will define a lot of our future.

The real threat is Artificial Intelligence. I'm not really sure how we will be able to protect things like freedom of conscious, freedom of expression and public participation in our civic institutions against the power of AI once it gets really developed as it is projected to do in the next 20-30 years. It has a lot of potential to do good but also an extreme power to be used as an instrument of repression even by relatively benign authorities (and much worse by real baddies) who probably won't be able to control it very well themselves.

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I would agree with the fact that mass surveillance is coming. The China model is scary and there was an article I read the other day where China is exporting its censorship and surveillance technologies to other nations and even offering guidance how to employ these technologies.

There are those who think a "One World Government" is coming and I can understand where this line of thinking comes from however barring a really radical event (i.e. interaction with alien life form, global pandemic, another world war, or a near extinction level event) I do not see this happening.

Regardless it will be a very interesting time to be alive (although may not be in a good way) over the next 30 years.

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Tokyo-Engr:

The world is becoming increasingly in need of global governance. The rapid increase in international business, travel and movement demands uniform regulation across the globe. Coming financial crises and disputes between nations will require coordinated and agreed upon legal responses. I believe that whether we like it or not the situation will demand it. We are already heading in that direction and there is no stopping the momentum.

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There's a thin veneer of democracy now. Let's call it democracy-lite.

I fear that as long as people allow themselves to be led by billionaires, big business and bad leaders things will get a lot worse. Of course, the well-off and financially sorted will survive - their sort usually do.

But you and I, the little people, will be the worse off as rights continue to be trampled and lies become the truth.

Beware of those who preach salvation in religion. That will be our undoing, as the message of love, tolerance, and doing good has long since become villified and twisted.

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If you are a conservative or religious person be prepared

Religion is one of the main reasons why democracy is under threat or not even regarded as the best we have in some places around the world.

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Toasted Heretic:

Beware of those who preach salvation in religion.

The problem is that the 'irreligious' atheistic, humanists that are taking over are just as bad as the religious people they despise and are overthrowing. They have their own moral code, blasphemy laws and punishments for dissenters. They won't be saving us either.

PS: The message of love, tolerance, and doing good may have been twisted but it doesn't mean we can't practice those virtues in our daily lives. There are many who are sincerely trying, religious or otherwise.

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The message of love, tolerance, and doing good may have been twisted

No twisting is needed in many cases. Undemocratic and authoritarian ideas are very often clearly spelled out in the scriptures.

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The problem is that the 'irreligious' atheistic, humanists that are taking over are just as bad as the religious people they despise and are overthrowing. 

How so ?

They have their own moral code, blasphemy laws and punishments for dissenters.

They do ? Please tell us about these !

I'm an atheist, and I have no clue what you're talking about.

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The problem is that the 'irreligious' atheistic, humanists that are taking over are just as bad as the religious people they despise and are overthrowing.

Who and where? As an atheist, I'm curious to know.

The message of love, tolerance, and doing good may have been twisted but it doesn't mean we can't practice those virtues in our daily lives.

Anyone can practice these, be they religious or not.

They'll end up being sneered at as "virtue signallers", sadly.

Democracies will crumble as climate change takes hold. Wars will be fought in the scramble for resources as more crops fail, millions will starve and perish and fascism will champion the privelleged over the poor.

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Toasted Heretic:

The problem is that the 'irreligious' atheistic, humanists that are taking over are just as bad as the religious people they despise and are overthrowing.

Who and where? As an atheist, I'm curious to know.

The current global cultural elites are generally not religious. At the least they embrace and promote a humanistic, secular progressive world view. Just look at what happens to those who express disagreement with current liberal orthodoxy and political correctness. Pressure to resign, losing jobs, ostracism, boycotts, etc.

Jordan Peterson: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695

Megyn Kelly: https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-news/megyn-kelly-nbc-fired-blackface-747389/

Fire Chief Kelvin Cochrane: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/11/editorial-atlanta-fire-chief-fired-for-personal-vi/

Bret Weinstein: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/evergreen-professor-at-center-of-protests-resigns-college-will-pay-500000/

My point is that no matter who is the dominant political cultural force at the time, whether religious or secular, the tendency is towards oppression of those who dissent. I believe that the coming world government will be officially secular humanist and will be no exemption to this pattern.

The solution to this problem can only be found in the dominant political and cultural force, whether secular or religious, being respectful of those who disagree and refusing to punish them like in the above cases.

PS: I am not talking about all atheist or secular humanist progressives. I'm talking about the tendencies of many of those among the elite.

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@concerned citizen

You are looking at this with a very narrow perspective - particularly focused on the US. There is a dangerous movement which is looking to shut down freedom of expression in the West, and I am against this, but that is nothing compared to what religion does to freedoms and democracy worldwide. Not even close.

You mentioned ‘punishments’. The devout could teach the ‘progressives’ a masterclass on what to do with dissenters.

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with non-state actors being more influential and powerful than actual governments, I'd say that the world would still have de facto democracies, but would, in reality, be very much limited ones. Consider your generic welfare state that has all of the basic services (plus more) covered but would have very constrained personal liberties to maintain their peace

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This is all academic, the world as we know it is already changing-20 years? There will be a food and water shortage, weather like never before and the dying of our Planet. Already we are eating plastic from the sea, the poles melting, islands drowning and the growth of humanity beyond sustainability. Your children will curse you as will your grand children.

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Jmizo:

that is nothing compared to what religion does to freedoms and democracy worldwide. Not even close.

You might have forgotten the brutality of the atheistic regimes of Russia, China, etc. BOTH secular and religious are equally capable.

The devout could teach the ‘progressives’ a masterclass on what to do with dissenters.

I agree to a certain extent. However the present day western liberal progressive movement is moving in the same oppressive direction as some present day and historical oppressive religious and atheistic communist regimes and. For now circumstances dictate that they have put up with conservative and religious people. However the day will come when the secular humanist progressives will dominate the western political and cultural scene sufficiently to where they will attempt to stifle conservative and religious expression as fervently as they were once suppressed by the religious.

This is the next phase of the ongoing cycle of the formerly oppressed justly overcoming thier oppressors only to become the new oppressors themselves. Think communist revolutions of Russia and China.

I believe that there is no stopping the momentum in this direction. Brace for impact conservative and religious people.

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Democracy will definitely exist but I wonder whether current democratic nations will survive in their present form. Democracy is really just a tool rather than an inherently valuable end in itself. It's essentially a dispute resolution mechanism for society (like a court or a tribunal), but one that earns its legitimacy through numbers and a mutual respect for the wishes of your fellow citizens.

Where I think democracy starts to break down (and where we've seen it break down historically and recently) is when the interests and desires of people and groups within society start to diverge significantly. When they become polarized because they no longer, share common goals, common enemies, common values, common ideology, or even a common religion. When that happens, democracy becomes less of a dispute resolution mechanism based on mutual respect and more of a hammer to pummel your ideological opponents with once you seize power for 4 or 5 years.

A good question to ask yourself is whether you would rather live in a democracy where you are perpetually in the minority and few people share your values, or in a benevolent dictatorship where 90-95% of your fellow citizens share your core values.

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@concerned citizen

Fair enough but I just think your concern about the language police should take second place to the far more ferocious menace of religion.

I think your fears about the secular west becoming as murderous as the devout is a bit hysterical. Are you equally worried about the Christians in the West burning heretics again?

Don’t confuse the ideas of secularism with Stalin’s USSR or Mao’s China. Secularism for me is allowing all people to practice religion without religion encroaching into politics or having the state privilege any one faith.

I think you are still seeing religious belief as something which deserves privileged status. Religious belief is an opinion which deserves the same scrutiny, criticism and even ridicule as any other idea.

This feeling of being special is something the religious find difficult to shake off.

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Jimizo:

Fair enough but I just think your concern about the language police should take second place to the far more ferocious menace of religion.

Today's language police will be tomorrow's oppressors of conservatives and the religious. The degree may be debatable but it will happen. The recent open hostility to such groups will intensify as legal barriers and social restraints fade away.

By the way, if conservatives and as some religious people somehow reverse the trend they might do the same to secular humanists. This is equally wrong.

I only pray that whichever group is ascendant they will have respect for those who disagree.

Anyway, in answer to the article's question my thoughts here are the way I see things moving in the near future.

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Religion is one of the main reasons why democracy is under threat or not even regarded as the best we have in some places around the world.

True. The tendency in places like Pakisan and Turkey is to move away from democracy to theoracies. It is very worrying.

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Today's language police will be tomorrow's oppressors of conservatives and the religious. The degree may be debatable but it will happen. The recent open hostility to such groups will intensify as legal barriers and social restraints fade away.

I see no evidence of this happening. If anything, it is social and religious conservatives who are in the ascendant.

but if democracy leans that way, so be it, but I do not expect to see authoritarian left-wingers seizing power any more than the other way round. For every Venezuala, there is a Russia.

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Are you equally worried about the Christians in the West burning heretics again?

I certainly am.

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Do you think there will be many democracies around the world in, say, 20 years from now?

What a strange question

And how strange that most answered no so far.

How could democratic systems the world over in all their variations be dismantled so easily?

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I see a world in which if you are rich, you will have increasingly greater ootions and a better life and if not, you will get the scraps.

Rightly or wrongly. Because some wealthy people deserve and have earned their wealth and others dont.

Same as now basically.

100 years from now though and i think, regardless of politics or war, the dire state of the natural world is going to wipe out a good percentage of the have nots....

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True. The tendency in places like Pakisan and Turkey is to move away from democracy to theoracies. It is very worrying.

Pakistan is not a theocracy though. It's been one of the healthiest democracies in that part of the world since partition and independence. Pakistan has a constitution, a parliament and universal suffrage. Blasphemy and other religiously inspired laws have all been implemented democratically and enjoy overwhelming popular support.

The only 'problem' with Pakistani democracy is that most of us in the west are repulsed by their political preferences. So much so that some even attempt to claim that Pakistan is not a democracy. This really highlights what I was saying above about the limits of democracy. Most people will never recognise the legitimacy of other people's preferences if they diverge too far from their own.

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My impression of global affairs is that facism is coming back in a big way.

They're here already: China, Vietnam, Singapore, etc., not to mention places like Pakistan and Indonesia. And they will become dominant, boosted by neo-liberal globalism in the West. Children in western democracies dont have much of a future in store, I'm afraid, after China and its minions become No. 1.

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Not many now anyway,

Curiously, lots of Fan-theories about Game of Thrones envision democracy in Westeros at the end.

About as likely in this world as it is in that one.

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

I actually think there will be even more 'self-proclaimed' democracies as ppl are getting dumber/more gullible and don't/won't know they're being played. For most ppl democracy equals 'election/the right to vote' i.e they don't really care about how it's done, the lopsided/biased media coverage nor what happens after the elections.

So yes, in 20 years time rulers will still organise elections, ppl will still vote for guys who will themselves vote for/pick leaders (already happening in many 'democracies') and ppl will say 'fine' provided they still have a tenner or 2 to spend on booze/drugs/gambling/kids etc at the end of the week.

But participatory and especially radical democracy will be discouraged/banned as it will be deemed too disruptive/dangerous by rulers (unfortunately, they may have a point as ppl are getting dumber/less informed).

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Does 'democracy' even exist? Yes we have certain freedoms and freedom of speech, (to a certain extent) but seems like the masses is controlled by the biased media and propaganda governments throw at us.

Anyways there is the Internet, the real freedom of speech and 'democracy'

Freemasons and elitists control everything, so yeah, democracy..

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In 20 years there will have been a sudden drop off in human population so by the numbers there won't be more democracies. Mass migrations due to heat and food shortages do not a democracy make

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No, for they are inevitable destroyed by CORRUPTION.

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I think that there will be. I hope that Japan becomes one of them.

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

There are varying flavors of Democracy around the World....

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I have to say I don't know. I think it depends on what each of us do for the country we live.

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