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8 votes and 50/50. Simple question with simple reference. Has China proven to be a good neighbor?

Both Russia and China are not friendly nations. Clearly China harbors grudges from several decades ago. To think their growth in power will be peaceful is wishful thinking at best.

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I'm more concerned about the USA's jealous response to China's growth than I am about China if it is left alone. Ironically the USA drove most of China's growth by giving it preferred trading status. Now it is threatened by that same growth.

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Yes, non-democracies can never be trusted to be peaceful: Xi might wake up in a foul mood one day and start WW3 because there are no safeguards over there.

0 ( +6 / -6 )

The most scary part is Chinese business ethics. I believe they are worse then the Americans.

3 ( +8 / -5 )

Better the devil we know than the devil we do not know

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As much as I criticise the United States over it's global involvement, I would take the good old USA as the world policeman any day over China for instance.

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As much as I criticise the United States over it's global involvement, I would take the good old USA as the world policeman any day over China for instance.

Fifteen years ago I would have agreed before you even finished the sentence. Now, I don't see a big difference. Pretty much everything people are accusing China of potentially doing, is something the US has already done (within the last 15 years).

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@Strangerland. The US does not have a genocide going on the magnitude of NK. And the US, rank 48 in press freedom, has a lot more chance of being peaceful than China, rank 178 or something.

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@Strangerland. The US does not have a genocide going on the magnitude of NK.

Neither does China.

the US, rank 48 in press freedom, has a lot more chance of being peaceful than China, rank 178 or something.

How does press freedom equate to peace, or lack thereof? In fact, if we look at the facts:

Number of countries invaded by the US since 2000: 2

Number of countries invaded by China since 2000: 0

So it wouldn't seem that press freedom is an accurate representation of peace.

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scipantheistNov. 17, 2014 - 01:43PM JST Yes, non-democracies can never be trusted to be peaceful: Xi might wake up in a foul mood one day and start WW3 because there are no safeguards over there.

... the irony of this statement is staggering considering that the USA (supposedly a democracy) is currently at "war" in three different countries right now, while China is at war in... oh, none.

And how did the USA (supposedly the greatest of democracies) end up in this state? A complete lack of those vaunted "safeguards" that you're so proud of.

It also displays a lack of understanding of Chinese politics. The Chinese socio-political contract is that they maintain peace and order, at any cost. Now yes, this results in human rights abuses and crackdowns - but not any worse than you'd see in the USA where the SWAT team can break down your door and drag you away for happening to google "pressure cooker" (because who doesn't like some slow-cooked pork) and "nails" (because you're fixing your fence).

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@Frungy

And your statement displays a staggering lack of knowledge about what life in the US is like. As I said, 48th in press freedom. Peace and order at any cost is an excellent recipe for war.

@Strangerland

So who is responsible for NK being left alone to conduct it's monstrosities? World just doesn't care? Or is it because the criminals in Peking don't care? The total number of deaths in NK could well exceed those from US invasions, which are winding down after we got rid of W, thank you.

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So who is responsible for NK being left alone to conduct it's monstrosities?

You mean other than every country in the world?

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China is responsible for NK being left alone to conduct it's monstrosities. Otherwise NK would have been taken out in the Korean War. This reflects the "peace and order at any cost" that Frungy was talking about. Absolutes tend to get you into trouble when you say things like "China will not give one inch on issues of territory." This can at least be interpreted as, "we won't negotiate, ever!". Or when blaming foreign boogeymen is your only means of maintaining "order".

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How many wars is the US currently involved in?

134 (one hundred and thirty four)

http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-now-involved-134-wars/196846/

In the last 20 years, the U.S.A. has invaded 22 countries:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/mar/31/facebook-posts/viral-meme-says-united-states-has-invaded-22-count/

US military spending is greater than the total of the next nine countries in the list of military expenditure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

And is there world peace as a result?

No. From which, one might conclude that "shoot first and ask questions later" isn't working.

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Number of countries invaded by China since 2000: 0

Not if ya count all of South China Sea as a Chinese province. Just because it's not land doesn't mean there's no invasion.

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China is responsible for NK being left alone to conduct it's monstrosities.

No, it's not. North Korea is its own country. China has made no statements that they will protect NK. The only thing protecting NK is their nuclear weapons. No one wants to mess with them.

You can't blame NK on China. Grasping at straws.

Just because it's not land doesn't mean there's no invasion.

I don't agree with China's expanded DMZ. But that is not even remotely close to the same as invading multiple countries and killing tens of thousands of innocents with drones and bombs and guns. Sorry, in a comparison between the US and China, China wins this one hands down.

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Are you concerned at China's growing might in security and economic issues in the Asia-Pacific region?

I am not concerned with China's growing power. What I am concerned about is that right now China is controlled by a Communist regime who cares very little about just about everything. The Communist don't care about how they get power they just want it. They allow their people to do whatever they have to do to achieve their goals.

If China had a government that acted like a good neighbor they wouldn't be a problem. But the Communist regime isn't a good neighbor and that's the problem.

StrangerlandNov. 18, 2014 - 11:02AM JST China is responsible for NK being left alone to conduct it's monstrosities. No, it's not. North Korea is its own country. China has made no statements that they will protect NK. The only thing protecting NK is their nuclear weapons. No one wants to mess with them.

If not for Communist China Communist North Korea would have nothing. No arms, no money, no help in the UN, no protection and no food. The Kim regime would collapse faster than you could say "Pass he Cheese".

http://www.cfr.org/china/china-north-korea-relationship/p11097

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/asia/north-east-asia/china/254-fire-on-the-city-gate-why-china-keeps-north-korea-close.aspx

Communist China keeps Communist North Korea around because it is a buffer of sorts.

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/china-and-north-korea-tangled-partnership#axzz3JNs2jr5D

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Just because it's not land doesn't mean there's no invasion.

I don't agree with China's expanded DMZ.

It's not even about ADIZ (that's what y'mean, I take it) - it's outright claiming the sea area and taking resources from poorer countries whose people need it more.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-19/china-builds-artificial-islands-in-south-china-sea

But that is not even remotely close to the same as invading multiple countries and killing tens of thousands of innocents with drones and bombs and guns. Sorry, in a comparison between the US and China, China wins this one hands down.

China's advantage is it doesn't have to go abroad to destroy "innocent" lives (guilty under Chinese law; innocent under international law, like people just disappear) - they do tens of thousands of their residents just fine.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

I am not concerned at all however. When China can put something more than that sorry excuse of an aircraft carrier to sea and when their money comes from their own ingenuity rather than manufacturing, then I might be concerned. Until then, come up with something to make me not sleep at night China.

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The problem of US has superior mentality and love lecturing and hectoring. US likes a punk who is looking for fights. If there is no enemy, it will humiliate the host with doom and gloom saying.Obama has two more years left for his term. He is powerless for facing hostile senate for passing his bills. He still lectured his host Au PM for doing some more about climate change during G20. The host was insulted and uncomfortable.

China may be ugly fat man however it has the wallet full of cash. It has promised the host nation for buying the continent piece by piece with trade. It has not humiliated the host.

Imagine Asia and Pacific is the young girl, she will fall for charming ugly fat man instead of arrogant, pushy and impolite punk. US has lacked the well manner, courtesy and soft diplomacy during APEC. Obama chewed chewing Gum.

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

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China's advantage is it doesn't have to go abroad to destroy "innocent" lives

No, but neither does the US. Look at the war on drugs, and the imprisonment in the for-profit American prison system. And if you think lives aren't destroyed, consider the fact that someone who got busted with some weed 30 years ago has to check that box on every single job application they ever sign, and that many of them have never been allowed to vote.

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Until then, come up with something to make me not sleep at night China.

How about nuclear weapons?

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scipantheistNov. 18, 2014 - 01:50AM JST And your statement displays a staggering lack of knowledge about what life in the US is like. As I said, 48th in press freedom. Peace and order at any cost is an excellent recipe for war.

Being 48th in the world for press freedom is NOT something to boast about. You got beaten out by Ghana, Costa Rica and a dozen other third world countries where oppression is the norm. Well done USA, you're doing worse than third world countries... hardly a stellar achievement for a country that routinely tries to market itself as the best at everything.

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@Frungy Still a hell of a lot better than the PRC is doing. Almost dead last for that joke of a country. And the US got docked for the Snowden debacle which arguably has nothing to do with free speech domestically if the NSA doesn't use it's data against US citizens. You and Strangerland have no leg to stand on that the US is a threat to Japan.

Imagine Asia and Pacific is the young girl, she will fall for charming ugly fat man instead of arrogant, pushy and impolite punk.

Not where I come from :-)

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I said no because the issue is not about China's growing "might" and "economic power" but the CCP whose hands its falling into and how they're using it.

I really do like China, a lot. But under the CCP hell no.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

I'm more concerned about the Japanese bureaucratic 'oyajis' antagonising China with their twisted views of history. It takes two to make a fight. China is not the only antagonist in Asia.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

I cant say I do, but I really dont know enough about Chinese to comment. The few times I been there, it seemed different from Japan in many ways, and grossly underdeveloped in many areas, like 50 years or so behind. I think they are an interesting people, and met some who were very outspoken against their government. I have never lived there, so I speak with ignorance on the subject, but Ive never felt they were aggressive. They seem very business oriented and eager to catch the moment. A bit rude, perhaps dirty, and more selfish than the reserved cold and dark, refined Japanese character.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

I think China’s growing is good until the point it can balance USA imperialism, making more difficult for USA moves how it want.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

@arcieres So instead China, a country which has never had democracy or freedom of speech can "move how it want". Short sighted that is.

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@scipantheist I think its better a balance of forces, where neither China nor USA have the highest power. At the same time I think is positive that more forces get more relevance in the world.

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Just heard an interview with a North Korea expert on the BBC. He was very doubtful as to that nation's involvement, and suggested that Chinese or even Japanese people could be responsible.

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