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China has submitted an application to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade deal? Do you think they should be accepted?

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I want to see references, and plenty of them!

Don't forget the Emotional Intelligence (EQ) interview questions, and the Personality Interview for Executives.

Pay very close attention to their responses to Behavioral and Values-Base questioning!

Cultural Fit interview questions are an absolute necessity! I can already sense that these candidates may not play well with others!

Best, still, better run a full credit check on them.

After all, we are all about protection and cyber security these days, right! Do you really want to give these people a log-in on your Big Iron and access to your part of the Cloud?

6 ( +12 / -6 )

They shouldn't qualify due to the bad karma clause written in small print at the bottom.

18 ( +20 / -2 )

Only an idiot would want the CCP as a member of any meaningful organization. Any possible benefits would be overridden by their thuggish corruption. Pass…

30 ( +34 / -4 )

Only an idiot would want the CCP as a member of any meaningful organization.

Extremists love binary positions.

In the real world, having the CCP as a member of an organization they are invested in, makes them more likely to work with the members of that organization rather than being antagonistic with them. Of course that brings other issues that have to be dealt with, but the point is that the world isn't as simple or absolute as right-wingers always like to try to fame it as.

-22 ( +6 / -28 )

I don’t think they’ll be allowed in, but that would be quite the coup if they did. The US engineered the TPP to be an anti-China trading block, but then for domestic political reasons never joined the TPP itself. If China did gain entry it could ironically turn it into an anti-US block.

I don’t think that will ever happen, but its interesting that this possibility even exists.

-2 ( +4 / -6 )

In the real world, having the CCP as a member of an organization they are invested in, makes them more likely to work with the members of that organization rather than being antagonistic with them. 

Ask the WHO how that turned out. Or Hong Kong. Or….well…you get the point.

18 ( +19 / -1 )

Ask the WHO how that turned out.

It's turned out nuanced - as the real world is.

Oh, sorry, did you want me to state a hyper-partisan binary viewpoimt? My bad, I was speaking in the real world.

-17 ( +3 / -20 )

The PRC keeps saying something about meddling in their internal affairs, that everyone is against them, etc. And suddenly they're cramming themselves into a group... Ridiculous. Pooh the bear

14 ( +16 / -2 )

Instead of inviting them to carry on bullying the world, they should be held accountable for a global pandemic killing millions and effecting the lives of everyone on this planet..

20 ( +21 / -1 )

They can &or their own and see who wants to join.

1 ( +3 / -2 )

form

1 ( +3 / -2 )

They can &or their own and see who wants to join.

They're also doing this, and way ahead of you. China is playing a soft--politics game with a lot of nations in the world, and give a lot of money to those nations for influence.

-14 ( +1 / -15 )

Definitely NO!!!

CCP would see acceptance in to TPP as acceptance of their VILE WAYS, so NOOOOOOO!!!!! China must be held responsible not rewarded for the pandemic and genocide!!!

22 ( +23 / -1 )

If they follow international rule of Intellectual Property ownership and what not, I'd say let them in! But knowing Chinese mentality in business that "IP is to be blatantly stolen, copied, and rebranded without shame" why give them even easier way to steal the world's IP ?

15 ( +16 / -1 )

Absolutely no way. It makes sense for the current signatories to help us all power up without China nor the USA so they don't bully us into their and only their policies. They are not what you call equal partners.

10 ( +13 / -3 )

We should add the country of Taiwan yes, but China no

16 ( +17 / -1 )

How are we to accept them when we have two Canadians imprisoned for political games?

12 ( +13 / -1 )

How are we to accept them when we have two Canadians imprisoned for political games?

This seems like a good opportunity for Canada to apply some political leverage against China on the matter.

-6 ( +4 / -10 )

This seems like a good opportunity for Canada to apply some political leverage against China on the matter.

maybe so, but a trade block to allow a nation as corrupt as China into it would defealt the purpose of lawful commerce including reciprocity. How can their human rights just be blown over in general? It would be too much to give away. China is just not ready to be anyone's partner

9 ( +10 / -1 )

I understand that sentiment. But it doesn’t take into account that massive size of China’s economy, and the fact that the rest of us have a degree of dependency upon it. I’m don’t feel strong in either direction on this - I can see reasons both to let them in, and not let them in, on both sides of the argument.

I guess the reason I lean more towards letting them in, is that there is no overarching authority under which nations operate. No one to come in and straighten it out. So if China isn’t part of a trading block, there is little discussion with them, and little means of putting non-military leverage upon them.

-13 ( +1 / -14 )

But it doesn’t take into account that massive size of China’s economy, and the fact that the rest of us have a degree of dependency upon it

Doesn't matter how large it is. Selling out human rights for a $4 hair dryer isn't a compelling argument for me when I can still live well without them.

We did this already with South Africa during the Mulroney years, helping force that country end Appartied along with other nations. Even had Mandela thank Canada. Given the weight of the Chinese economy if there are trade blocks against it, it won't be able to grow outside its borders if enough nations say no. Thus the economic opportunity is with us, not China.

The TPP gives us all that option

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I guess the reason I lean more towards letting them in, is that there is no overarching authority under which nations operate. 

all we have are our own ethical standards. If that's too much to ask versus making a $1 then we are not better than China and I cannot accept that

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Selling out human rights for a $4 hair dryer isn't a compelling argument for me when I can still live well without them.

That's an overly simplistic view. The fact is, China is the baseline of manufacturing not only for many low-cost products, but also many high-quality products, as well as the machinery used to build many products elsewhere in the world. Have you ever tried to go "China-free"? It's currently impossible if you are a participating member of society. The very computer you are using has parts made in China, or parts made by machines made in China. And I say that without having any clue of what your computer is.

We did this already with South Africa during the Mulroney years, helping force that country end Appartied along with other nations.

Maybe there are some lessons to be learned then. Let China in if they agree to open up the Uighur camps for outside inspection. Don't like it? Don't come in.

The fact that China wants to be part of this means that there is room for political leverage on them. At the very least, it's an opportunity to make them very uncomfortable by placing a list of human rights demands upon them openly as prerequisite for Canada's vote, and call out the elephant in the room.

-13 ( +1 / -14 )

If that's too much to ask versus making a $1 then we are not better than China and I cannot accept that

We dropped all of our clients in China a few years back. I didn't find the benefit was worth it for our own business, (although we actually thought we were going to move into HK at that time). So I have no problem with the idea that you propose.

But I'm being realistic about the degree of dependence the world has on China for manufacturing. It's scary, because it's powerful, but it's there, whether we like it or not.

-11 ( +1 / -12 )

It's scary, because it's powerful, but it's there, whether we like it or not.

Very true sadly. All the more reason to divest from China, not increase our dependence upon it. I'm happy to support that endeavour.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

All the more reason to divest from China

I agree. I think as a long-term strategy, depending upon China is dangerous even at a company level.

-1 ( +5 / -6 )

I recognize it's going to take a lot of time but if democracies around the world are ready too then we shouldn't feel like it's just our own burden but rather an opportunity for everyone to grow through competition. That's how I feel about TPP

4 ( +4 / -0 )

Join the winners, don't do everything that the anti-China whiners in the US and UK say in their fear and eagerness to lose what they have taken over the world in a "democratic" way. China will be the world's leading economic power without joining nobody. Someone who joins China will grow up alongside the great eastern dragon..

GO CHINA !!..

-17 ( +2 / -19 )

Catch-22 situation:

From an economic perspective I believe the question should be: can we afford not to include China? Response: no, we can't. Forward to next point.

The problem being that whatever organization lets China in will automatically become China's toy to play with...So, (again) response: no, we can't. Back to above question.

-8 ( +2 / -10 )

China is the future, as the USA sinks into the background. China should be admitted. This will allow the member nations to exercise influence or even discipline, if necessary, on China. US President Trump lost confidence in the USA and tried to "decouple" the US from China. US companies lose all that money and in 5 or 6 years, China will be able to make all that US stuff anyway. Japan should not follow the example of the US, just learn from it.

-12 ( +3 / -15 )

Yes. We should be working together.

-11 ( +1 / -12 )

TPP started with Singapore, Chile and New Zealand.

Now it is a monster.

Keeping bellicose tarif-ridden would-be members out can maintain some balance and civility.

12 ( +13 / -1 )

A big NO!

Communist China has no right to join this group. Look at the damage they have done to the world - including trade - in the past few years.

Let free and fair nations in this region enjoy the privileges of free trade in the TPP, and no - the UK is not a Pacific nation.

15 ( +16 / -1 )

Never, ever ,ever.

13 ( +14 / -1 )

This is like Russia wanting to join NATO.

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China has submitted an application to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade deal? Do you think they should be accepted?

Perhaps the question would be better phrased, "What do you think is preferable, free trade or ruinous WAR?"

I suspect that many here would vote for WAR...

And if there is someone to 'blame' for China's rise as the world's leading manufacturer of just about everything, start with American Corporate who thought 'cheap labor' = enhanced profits was a good reason to move American technology en masse to China a generation and more ago. China is just about the only beneficiary in the world of rabid American Greed who have sold out their workers and their country for a few ever more worthless shekels more in profit...

-8 ( +1 / -9 )

This is like Russia wanting to join NATO.

Given America's recent 'diplomacy' vis-à-vis Europe, don't be surprised when this happens...

-12 ( +1 / -13 )

Perhaps the question would be better phrased, "What do you think is preferable, free trade or ruinous WAR?"

I suspect that many here would vote for WAR...

I think the header is the correct one. And most would vote against war. Nobody wants the death and destruction it brings to all sides.

China is undeserving of being admitted in this trade pact as it is already in breach of the free trade agreement with Australia as it attempts to coerce it to do China's bidding.

9 ( +10 / -1 )

Only an idiot would want the CCP as a member of any meaningful organization.

Any possible benefits would be overridden by their thuggish corruption. Pass

I couldn’t agree more, not at this time. They shouldn’t.

Join the winners, don't do everything that the anti-China whiners in the US and UK say in their fear and eagerness to lose what they have taken over the world in a "democratic" way.

What winners? We all lose and if that happens, China will lose in the end as well.

China will be the world's leading economic power without joining nobody.

Not so sure about that one there.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-china-still-needs-united-states-succeed-180508

Someone who joins China will grow up alongside the great eastern dragon..

How? These people don’t even deal with human rights abuse, minority issues, equal pay and breaking child labor laws. When the Chinese can create something without copying or stealing the technology and perfecting it, they might have a bit of inroads.

9 ( +12 / -3 )

Only a fool would agree to this request. The fact that China wants to join means they obviously believe this will benefit them, making them richer and stronger. Do we want a stronger China? The answer is obviously NO. China is an extremely belligerent, aggressive and dangerous country and we should be doing everything we can to make it WEAKER, not stronger! So we need to exclude China from all international cooperation and build up a strong, unified position against it. Let's invite Taiwan to join instead!

10 ( +11 / -1 )

If they vow to let others live as they wish to live and stop the genocide, yes.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

This comes at a time when we should be seeking to disengage with Beijing. The free world really doesn't need nor want an economic and militarily superior China seated at every table.

11 ( +11 / -0 )

China's already a member of a large trade deal. The largest in the world, in fact.

It's called the World Trade Organization. Let's look at China's record.

Remember all the promises China made in the 90s in order to be accepted into that game-changing organization? Have they actually kept any of their promises? Did they lower tariffs to levels of their trading partners? Did they refuse to weaponize trade of sensitive materials such as rare earths? Did they hesitate to escalate trade spats into political crises, taking "hostages" in a tit-for-tat spat with its WTO trading "partners"? Did they eliminate the thousands and thousands of NBTs (Non-Tariff Barriers to trade) such as requiring tech transfers or restricting foreign ownership, as promised when they joined?

Or do they go on violating almost every single rule in the WTO rule book every single day, with impunity?

Why would anyone think that, suddenly, China will now play nice because of this new deal? I mean really? Why? What promises have Chinese leaders actually kept in these past 15 years that make you so keen to trust them to enter this new and, when compared to the WTO, even more weakly-enforced, TPP deal??

12 ( +12 / -0 )

If PRC can follow/obey TPP agreements/rules, PRC could join the TPP. But I really doubt it.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

Absolutely not. If China were a member it would it would use that position to further it's own goals at the expense of all others. If destroying the TPP or making it dysfunctional was in it's interests that's exactly what they will strive to accomplish.

10 ( +10 / -0 )

How is it so many, apparently, Americans can look into a 'behavioral mirror' and see only 'China'? It's more than obvious that the greatest 'mystery' to many Americans is real American History. Case in point:

China is an extremely belligerent, aggressive and dangerous country...

There is no low point in so many American's self-blinded hypocrisy, and "Know thyself" just meaningless words when 'Ruler induced image' so clouds the perception and satisfies the shallow personality craving justification for our sins, sins unmatched in the magnitude of blind psychopathy and Human destruction in all of recorded Human history. The 'monster' is always the Hero in their own mind...which is much of what makes them a monster.

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

China drive the market on such things as Shark fins, Rino horns, bears organs, antlers because the average CCP male are soft cocks and find it very hard to get hard. So they get no vote from me to join the TTP

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Yes to Taiwan, No to China

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Taiwan was never a part of China, only a part of Japan after the Shimonoseki peace treaty.

Like many other Asian countries it just had a large Chinese immigrant community.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

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