Japan should put a cultural spin to this and complain that it's traditional to bring species to the brink of extinction, so we can't tell them otherwise.
Proffesor at 01:09 PM JST - 16th March OssanAmerica, I simply love tuna f>ish. Really tasty. My mouth goes >watery just from looking at it.
LOL.ok thanks.
stevecpfc at 05:27 AM JST - 17th March
OssanAmerica "LOL.ok thanks" great argument against banning trade on >bluefin, well done.
The guy likes eating tuna. What am I going to do tell him to stop eating it?
I do not support the Ban. But, an imposition of a special tax to the tuna catchers and at the whole sale level will curtail consumption. Unfortunately, the not well-off will be punished, but, the tax on tuna can be used for socially minded programs. Yes, the tax amount needs to be effective.
To answer the question, I do not support a ban, because it will be an unenforceable waste of resources, but make everyone feel that "something was done".
With modern techniques, poacher ships can avoid detection. The Japanese will simply illegally fish them to extinction while claiming innocence.
So eat a piece today so you can tell your kids what they tasted like.
---And tuna are too big for baileen whales and too fast for toothed whales.---
That fact will be conveniently left out of the newscasts. Japan's sheeple will accept it as gospel the second some paid-off professor says it's true. I've never been in a country where facts mean so little.
I agree with you. The poll question might be better if it gave options.
a) irrational and un-enforceable blanket trade ban OR
b) smart, wise, toughening up of fisheries regulations
In addition, with the recent revelation of misinformation from climate extremists, I am skeptical of the fish protection extremists as well. It is your own fault though. Provide unbiased data and convince people without histrionics.
Aside from ecological stewardship, which is, of course, the rational approach and shouldn't need any further explanation, this will cause a huge ousawagi, so it'll be vastly entertaining...
skyguym42 at 10:08 PM JST - 16th March
It's a simple choice....take a break to let the population recover and >enjoy bluefin for the long haul, or eat all you want now for a few more >years and then never again. Seems simple, but the Japanese will simply >pretend there is no problem and poach them to extinction. Then they will >blame Antarctic whales for eating them all.
They obviously not going to poach them to extinction until they've cornered the market on farm raised bluefin. And tuna are too big for baileen whales and too fast for toothed whales.
Anyone who doesn't support the ban is bordering on the clinically insane; tuna stocks have been totally decimated by 20-30 years of overfishing (80% of which is due to Japan) to the point where a few more years and they'll be totally gone. They need a chance to replenish themselves. This is a test case to gauge human stupidity. Oishi? Yes, but it's more complicated than that. The idiocy defies belief.
It's a simple choice....take a break to let the population recover and enjoy bluefin for the long haul, or eat all you want now for a few more years and then never again. Seems simple, but the Japanese will simply pretend there is no problem and poach them to extinction. Then they will blame Antarctic whales for eating them all.
If the ban is on 'trade,' does that mean Japan can still catch the hell of of the bluefin tuna as long as it doesn't get it or sell it to and from other countries?
Elephants were listed and restricted by CITES and have begun to recover.
Surely Japan can see that arguing "let the RFMOs manage the stock" is not going to work as the RFMOs have been woefully inadequate with past regulation of stocks.
A ban is needed, and one which is strictly enforced. In a few years, lift the ban and enforce a strict quota. If countries are caught violating the ban they should be punished with sanctions.
A ban on trade doesn't stop fishing. A complete 1 or 2 year ban on all catches, followed by a properly regulated and managed quota system seems to be the way to go.
i support regulating the industry, not a total ban. problem is, most don't follow the regulations. so, maybe a ban during certain months of the year. or something to that effect .
1 if the probs that would arise (i feel) is other fish will be overfished to make up for the shortage of bluefin. so, where does it end??? i'd like to see a survey on what the japanese people feel about all this. tired of hearing just the fishermen's views.
I voted 'Yes' - why? explain pls. simply because 'majority' of the nations support this idea - It may be the same mojority that said Iraq had WMD or Global Warming is going to destroy the universe.
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knackerz
Japan should put a cultural spin to this and complain that it's traditional to bring species to the brink of extinction, so we can't tell them otherwise.
OssanAmerica
The guy likes eating tuna. What am I going to do tell him to stop eating it?
apple407
I do not support the Ban. But, an imposition of a special tax to the tuna catchers and at the whole sale level will curtail consumption. Unfortunately, the not well-off will be punished, but, the tax on tuna can be used for socially minded programs. Yes, the tax amount needs to be effective.
skyguym42
To answer the question, I do not support a ban, because it will be an unenforceable waste of resources, but make everyone feel that "something was done".
With modern techniques, poacher ships can avoid detection. The Japanese will simply illegally fish them to extinction while claiming innocence.
So eat a piece today so you can tell your kids what they tasted like.
skyguym42
---And tuna are too big for baileen whales and too fast for toothed whales.---
That fact will be conveniently left out of the newscasts. Japan's sheeple will accept it as gospel the second some paid-off professor says it's true. I've never been in a country where facts mean so little.
kwatt
Blue-fin tuna should not be banned because it is food. Each exporter countries should more strict regulations of catching them.
davidattokyo
ronaldk,
I agree with you. The poll question might be better if it gave options. a) irrational and un-enforceable blanket trade ban OR b) smart, wise, toughening up of fisheries regulations
Obviously I favour b) :)
ronaldk
In addition, with the recent revelation of misinformation from climate extremists, I am skeptical of the fish protection extremists as well. It is your own fault though. Provide unbiased data and convince people without histrionics.
ronaldk
I think a ban is a knee jerk reaction. More enforcement in a policy in coordination with Japan is bound to work better.
Xeno23
Aside from ecological stewardship, which is, of course, the rational approach and shouldn't need any further explanation, this will cause a huge ousawagi, so it'll be vastly entertaining...
stevecpfc
OssanAmerica "LOL.ok thanks" great argument against banning trade on bluefin, well done.
OssanAmerica
They obviously not going to poach them to extinction until they've cornered the market on farm raised bluefin. And tuna are too big for baileen whales and too fast for toothed whales.
OssanAmerica
LOL.ok thanks.
jonswan
Anyone who doesn't support the ban is bordering on the clinically insane; tuna stocks have been totally decimated by 20-30 years of overfishing (80% of which is due to Japan) to the point where a few more years and they'll be totally gone. They need a chance to replenish themselves. This is a test case to gauge human stupidity. Oishi? Yes, but it's more complicated than that. The idiocy defies belief.
skyguym42
It's a simple choice....take a break to let the population recover and enjoy bluefin for the long haul, or eat all you want now for a few more years and then never again. Seems simple, but the Japanese will simply pretend there is no problem and poach them to extinction. Then they will blame Antarctic whales for eating them all.
Gurukun
If the ban is on 'trade,' does that mean Japan can still catch the hell of of the bluefin tuna as long as it doesn't get it or sell it to and from other countries?
Proffesor
OssanAmerica, I simply love tuna fish. Really tasty. My mouth goes watery just from looking at it.
azzassa
Elephants were listed and restricted by CITES and have begun to recover.
Surely Japan can see that arguing "let the RFMOs manage the stock" is not going to work as the RFMOs have been woefully inadequate with past regulation of stocks.
OssanAmerica
I don't support the ban by itself. It needs to be combined with a complete moratorium on catches for X years with sanmplings and reviews.
OK, I'll bite. Why?
hellhound
No! Of course not. We should eat all that tuna. Tuna sushi is awesome!
Proffesor
I don't support the ban. Not at all. If asked why, I will explain.
smithinjapan
A ban is needed, and one which is strictly enforced. In a few years, lift the ban and enforce a strict quota. If countries are caught violating the ban they should be punished with sanctions.
Maria
Stricter regulation is needed, not a total ban.
hokkaidoguy
No.
A ban on trade doesn't stop fishing. A complete 1 or 2 year ban on all catches, followed by a properly regulated and managed quota system seems to be the way to go.
Damien15
Yes, because only a total ban would help the stocks recover.
Greapper1
no, I like tuna too much.
jinjapan
i support regulating the industry, not a total ban. problem is, most don't follow the regulations. so, maybe a ban during certain months of the year. or something to that effect . 1 if the probs that would arise (i feel) is other fish will be overfished to make up for the shortage of bluefin. so, where does it end??? i'd like to see a survey on what the japanese people feel about all this. tired of hearing just the fishermen's views.
Triple888
There are many others besides bluefin humans can digest.
some14some
I voted 'Yes' - why? explain pls. simply because 'majority' of the nations support this idea - It may be the same mojority that said Iraq had WMD or Global Warming is going to destroy the universe.