where were these demonstrations? i didn't see or even hear of any. do you really think the japanese care if our cards says "alien" or if we have a juminhyo? no, they don't. they don't even know of these things. but keep on dreaming.
I think it’s impossible because of all the priming that goes into the early education of children here. Furthermore, the system here does a good job of tempering people’s expectations.
When the primary basis of your early education is moral education, it speaks more into societal brainwashing than anything else.
Never rise? How do you think the Gaijin card had the name Alien removed? How do you think we could finally get a Juminhyo? Yes, they were Japanese led, pro foreigner rights rallies.
Nothing new about riots in Japan---1960's anti Eisenhower riots leading to the resignation of the present Prime Ministers Grandfather Kishi Nobusuke. Anti US--Japan Military Agreements---asassination of Socialist Asanuma in Tokyo by a student-- young female student killed during violent demonstrations/riots during the same period. Not to mention the violent activities of the Zengakuren. Coild all happen again.
GyGeneJune 17 08:48 am JSTAs long as Japan stays a clean, open (I hope) democracy, no, I don't think so. As for Hong Kong, oh me, sad that they have to go through this, but alas, kommie China has rule now. No telling what will happen there.
If I recall reading, and it's in Wikipedia too - during the pre-WW2 era when say Japan became totalitarian fascist under Gen. Hideiki Tojo and his ministers around 1932, wasn't there an uprising in Tokyo against the regime in or around 1936 or 1937? Japan was already at war with China and had occupied Manchuria and some Japanese people were angry with the way things were going.
william, i love your confidence but no, the japanese will NEVER rise, or even question authority. not too long ago, they gladly committed suicide for the emperor. now, it's just a different master and a different form of subservience.
The 14% in the 'conditional' column is really "YES". Why there are three possible responses to an entirely 'yes-no' question is not indicated. And one has to assume that those who answered "No" see Nihonjin as a completely passive people who will absorb ANY public outrage without comment or protest. Not to my mind a complimentary attitude from these 'no' people. "Under no circumstances would Nihonjin question their masters" is the essential taking from this question and its responses. Horse biscuits! AND, if Japanese rulers ever do squeeze their people to the point that we see such an outrage, it will be much wilder and much more will change in Nihon than will change in Hong Kong. But, better to pray that day never comes...
I will add, Japanese only protest if it involves a foreigner. They will drive through Azabu and Roppongi and protest with their green vans. I saw a weird site when Trump was in town; a Japanese on a motorbike with many asahi flags and right wing look was driving through Azabu neighborhoods.
Hong Kong was a colony and universal suffrage was never granted by the British before the Handover in 1997 although some democratisation began in 1984.
They know how to do it in Okinawa but otherwise there's only a few incidences I can think of over the decades, Narita and the Burakumin spring to mind. I'm sure there's far more that isn't talked about/remembered.
The Japanese won't have demonstrations like those in Hong Kong on this type of issue, for the Hong Kongers have lots of experience of what democracy is and means. The Japanese are, as (I think) Gen. MacArthur put it, like children when it comes to democracy, meaning that they had no idea what it was until they were defeated in WWII. They're still grappling with it, kind of like the Russians are today albeit under different circumstances. Wasn't that a big reason for the U.S. keeping the emperor in place even as just a constitutional symbol?
Hong Kong, as a former British colony, is a completely different story in terms of its history and politics.
Unless a government or a large company's decision was made that would negatively affect all demographics of the Japanese population (i.e. unilaterally imposing a controversial law, mass laying off of employees, etc.), I think a large-scale riot could happen. I know what I said is vague in every sense, but I think that push any population too hard, and they will push back - even for a very peaceful society like Japan.
As long as Japan stays a clean, open (I hope) democracy, no, I don't think so. As for Hong Kong, oh me, sad that they have to go through this, but alas, kommie China has rule now. No telling what will happen there.
There hasn't been any mass-protests in Japan since the sixties when the workers took on automakers. That round of protests resulted in mass-sackings. These days there is too much fear of losing jobs for people to protest anything. This is why the smaller protests you see are mostly elderly people, people who don't have jobs to lose.
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fiery rei
where were these demonstrations? i didn't see or even hear of any. do you really think the japanese care if our cards says "alien" or if we have a juminhyo? no, they don't. they don't even know of these things. but keep on dreaming.
showchinmono
Better not underestimate the Japanese. It would be much more than just a protest rally of millions
depending on what would happen to the country.
Selene
Japanese people are too passive aggressive. They'll find another way to complain and get their own way.
JJ Jetplane
I think it’s impossible because of all the priming that goes into the early education of children here. Furthermore, the system here does a good job of tempering people’s expectations.
When the primary basis of your early education is moral education, it speaks more into societal brainwashing than anything else.
Lalo
Before that, Japanese have fair rights of voting and candidacy. In Hong Kong, candidates must first be certified.
FireyRei
Dee,
Never rise? How do you think the Gaijin card had the name Alien removed? How do you think we could finally get a Juminhyo? Yes, they were Japanese led, pro foreigner rights rallies.
FireyRei
Biggest marches I usually see are either Union, or Pension related (in Osaka) and are no more than a hundred people.
semperfi
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NEVER !
Japanese have "konjo"- however, they do not have the indomitable bravado for bold, organized ,coherent group resistance.
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seadog538
Nothing new about riots in Japan---1960's anti Eisenhower riots leading to the resignation of the present Prime Ministers Grandfather Kishi Nobusuke. Anti US--Japan Military Agreements---asassination of Socialist Asanuma in Tokyo by a student-- young female student killed during violent demonstrations/riots during the same period. Not to mention the violent activities of the Zengakuren. Coild all happen again.
kohakuebisu
Maybe if the Internet went down nationwide.
fwiw, there are some great photos of the strikes in the 50s and 60s.
starpunk
If I recall reading, and it's in Wikipedia too - during the pre-WW2 era when say Japan became totalitarian fascist under Gen. Hideiki Tojo and his ministers around 1932, wasn't there an uprising in Tokyo against the regime in or around 1936 or 1937? Japan was already at war with China and had occupied Manchuria and some Japanese people were angry with the way things were going.
dee
william, i love your confidence but no, the japanese will NEVER rise, or even question authority. not too long ago, they gladly committed suicide for the emperor. now, it's just a different master and a different form of subservience.
Speed
These days - no. Back in the 60s - yes.
William Bjornson
The 14% in the 'conditional' column is really "YES". Why there are three possible responses to an entirely 'yes-no' question is not indicated. And one has to assume that those who answered "No" see Nihonjin as a completely passive people who will absorb ANY public outrage without comment or protest. Not to my mind a complimentary attitude from these 'no' people. "Under no circumstances would Nihonjin question their masters" is the essential taking from this question and its responses. Horse biscuits! AND, if Japanese rulers ever do squeeze their people to the point that we see such an outrage, it will be much wilder and much more will change in Nihon than will change in Hong Kong. But, better to pray that day never comes...
Cliffy
2 million without any riot or looting, gives ways to emergency vehicles, and hardly any police officers in sight. It will be hard to find any.
TheLongTermer
stormcrow nailed it
I will add, Japanese only protest if it involves a foreigner. They will drive through Azabu and Roppongi and protest with their green vans. I saw a weird site when Trump was in town; a Japanese on a motorbike with many asahi flags and right wing look was driving through Azabu neighborhoods.
Hello Kitty 321
@stormcrow
Hong Kong was a colony and universal suffrage was never granted by the British before the Handover in 1997 although some democratisation began in 1984.
Toasted Heretic
They know how to do it in Okinawa but otherwise there's only a few incidences I can think of over the decades, Narita and the Burakumin spring to mind. I'm sure there's far more that isn't talked about/remembered.
itsonlyrocknroll
It could happen anywhere if 18 to 30 year old, my generation, continue to take democracy for granted and fail to register their vote.
BackpackingNepal
HK - Compulsory for the whole system, making China hard to swallow.
South Korea - Strong Unity, therefore Peace Protest
Japan - Never Ever, No Unity there. Pretty much laid back.
smithinjapan
No, but the number of people who shrug and say shouganai outnumbers the population of most countries, so if numbers count...
ushosh123
Not possible in jp
theFu
Japanese trust their govt too much, so no.
madmanmunt
Japan is too old and young people are too busy playing games and chatting on their smartphones.
SO NO!
stormcrow
The Japanese won't have demonstrations like those in Hong Kong on this type of issue, for the Hong Kongers have lots of experience of what democracy is and means. The Japanese are, as (I think) Gen. MacArthur put it, like children when it comes to democracy, meaning that they had no idea what it was until they were defeated in WWII. They're still grappling with it, kind of like the Russians are today albeit under different circumstances. Wasn't that a big reason for the U.S. keeping the emperor in place even as just a constitutional symbol?
Hong Kong, as a former British colony, is a completely different story in terms of its history and politics.
Toshihiro
Unless a government or a large company's decision was made that would negatively affect all demographics of the Japanese population (i.e. unilaterally imposing a controversial law, mass laying off of employees, etc.), I think a large-scale riot could happen. I know what I said is vague in every sense, but I think that push any population too hard, and they will push back - even for a very peaceful society like Japan.
GyGene
As long as Japan stays a clean, open (I hope) democracy, no, I don't think so. As for Hong Kong, oh me, sad that they have to go through this, but alas, kommie China has rule now. No telling what will happen there.
showchinmono
"similar in scale" means 2mio or 2mio from 7.5 mio population?
Disillusioned
There hasn't been any mass-protests in Japan since the sixties when the workers took on automakers. That round of protests resulted in mass-sackings. These days there is too much fear of losing jobs for people to protest anything. This is why the smaller protests you see are mostly elderly people, people who don't have jobs to lose.