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No doubt, millions of people are making a living out of car driving, but if given a chance to own a self-driving one there will be a way out.

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Who pays when there's an accident?

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Yes, but not anytime soon though. I can already imagine when they begin to introduce autonomous vehicles, we will see very stiff resistance from delivery and public transport workers. Just imagine when drones became commercially available, I could imagine helicopter and fixed wing aircraft pilots grumbling because the average person can already take aerial shots and do aerial surveys for cheap and on demand.

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No, they just won’t come neither at a great scale nor at average speeds that are needed or we are already used to in all our developed societies and economies. Those self-driving and really autonomous cars will only be established within a few limited and especially prepared areas and mostly at very low speeds.

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Yes just like every technological advance, and also create new opportunities and jobs. Though I agree it is not clear how quickly it will happen and there are a number of regulatory problems that will need sorting out.

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Technology should be making our lives easier and giving us more free time. Instead it is just making jobs harder to find, forcing people to move to cities to work, and forcing them to accept terrible jobs that haven't been automated yet.

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Absolutely. Think about all the drivers on the road that make a living of it.

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sure this will wipe a lot of jobs dont need to mention enjoyment when driving your own car by yourself....

game changer?

highly likely.

yes.

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Why would it? It will create entirely new industries and jobs

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@runner3 Good question, that verifies why millions of people will be out of work, because the insurance company that rip off people will have to get rid of millions of employees and that is just one industry!

Who pays when there's an accident?

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People will be put out of jobs, but they're still a net benefit to society. Think of all the visually impaired people who will no longer be effectively banned from the millions of jobs that require cars just to get to them. Partially blind people, epileptics, even elderly who just don't have the reflexes... these people will finally have freedom of movement.

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When the ATM came out, they said bank tellers would be out of jobs. No so fast. We have autopilots but there are still humans in the cockpit. There are robotic workers on assembly lines but people are still there, too. Self-driving cars may increase the need for new laws and regulations so maybe that industry and others would see more humans. Cyclical adjustment.

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Self driving cars are a paradigm shift, and will definitely result in a loss of job. And a gain in other jobs. Are people complaining about the lack of blacksmiths to get their horseshoes made? Nope. And yet, they use to be prevalent.

The world changes. So do employment opportunities. Trying to artificially prevent that is stifling progress.

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Those self-driving and really autonomous cars will only be established within a few limited and especially prepared areas and mostly at very low speeds.

That's the present situation because this technic is still in its infancy. I believe this will change rapidly within the next decade.

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the future will change how and what we do for work, it's a not a surprise at all

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With new tech there are always ways to create new jobs. Look at solar and other green energy tech; true, the few remaining coal mining jobs for those who refuse to learn knew skills are threatened, but MILLIONS of new jobs have been created for those who are just starting out and/or willing to innovate.

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I did vote "I don't know".

At face-value: yes, and not only cars and drivers, but trucks, lorries, cars, taxis, buses, as well as trains, subways (which are arguably much much easier to automatize as they follow a pre-defined set of "tracks").

Also, I couldn't find the article again, but I think 1-3 years ago there was news of a pilot-less cargoship(?) of sorts or sizeable ship navigating pretty much on auto-pilot (a crew was still onboard though).

Even more surprising, 3-5 years ago, I was at a party at a friend's in Tokyo where somebody brought in an airline pilot from Europe. Said pilot, who (I want to highlight this) was completely sober when he had all discussions stopping at once and you could hear a needle fall on the floor when he mentioned that airline pilots are already pretty much not needed anymore as planes can fly without them.

Somebody argued: You mean the "autopilot", but they (the pilots) are still needed for take-off and landing, of course. To which he said, nowadays planes can already take-off and land on their own.

Somebody else argued: Then why are there still pilots in the cockpits?

"Would you board a plane without pilots?" he asked...

Still not sure whether he was pulling everybody's leg or whether passengers should start to freak out though...

Going back to the question:

.the answer is, of course, "Yes", but only IF millions but tens of millions of cars, buses, taxies, trucks, lorries, trains, subways, ships and planes do switch from manned to unmanned, but this will be expensive, very expensive and not all economies can take that, even less in a COVID-clobbered world economy, and even then, the move may be opposed and not only by drivers or pilots but passengers (who get cold feet) or freighters (who will most likely have the cost forwarded to them, at least in part), in which case

.the answer would be "No".

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Obviously.

Just as cars put millions of horses out of work.

Just as email put thousands of telegraph operators out of work.

It's called progress.

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MocheakeMay 16  11:29 pm JST

When the ATM came out, they said bank tellers would be out of jobs. No so fast. We have autopilots but there are still humans in the cockpit. There are robotic workers on assembly lines but people are still there, too. Self-driving cars may increase the need for new laws and regulations so maybe that industry and others would see more humans. Cyclical adjustment.

Yeah, you're right, but when I used to go to banks in the 70s before ATMs, there were usually eight to ten tellers servicing customers at my nearest bank. After ATMs, there were about three to four.

Factories have seen a HUGE decrease in the number of workers. A car factory would often have hundreds, if not thousands, of workers in a plant. Now a factory is predominantly precise machinery with only a few dozen people on the plant floor.

Yeah, there are still bank tellers and factory workers, but the millions who would've had these jobs as an option, no longer do.

If most delivery vehicles are going to be self-driving, millions will be out of a job.

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Mochiake......

When the ATM came out, they said bank tellers would be out of jobs.

It wasn't the ATM that put bank tellers out of jobs, it was internet banking.

I remember in the UK when turning buses into single-man operation (Bus drivers were almost all male at that time) and got rid of conductors was supposed to be the end of the world.... how could anyone drive a bus AND hand out tickets?

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The nature of the job will change into managing the machinery (soft and hardware), but yes likely less jobs in total.

Who pays when there's an accident?

Interesting question, ideally if fully auto with no possible intervention of the driver then the car company will as they have most control / prevention. But it's hard to imagine it happening in reality.

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There will be fewer drivers, but maybe they can work in driverless car production plants.

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Personally, I think one day it'll be virtually impossible to drive a car manually. But before that, probably automated cars will still need a driver as a backup or for some specific situations.

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Yes of course, how can it not? The Low hanging fruit is truck delivery. Why Do you think research in that is in the billions?

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This will be specific to location. Self driving cars will only be prevelent in cities.

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gogogo

May 16 02:40 pm JST

Why would it? It will create entirely new industries and jobs

Can you explain the "new industries and jobs"?

Let's see building new cars/trucks?

Nope if anything demand will drop and the present workforce will also be replaced by automation even more!

Maintenance of these new driverless vehicles?

Again nope because all the part like the present EV cars now are modular, just pull out replace and a robotic machine can do it.

This is what I just cannot figure out and when asked no one gives a complete answer just some vague "there will be new opportunities" deflection.

The reality is self driving cars will take jobs, EV cars will take jobs, automated, production lines will take jobs, and no this time there are not the new industries to replace those jobs.

ICE cars, other industrial revolution advances created maintenance and support jobs.

We are not seeing any of this now, computer diagnosis, modular repair done by machine, etc..

So production done by machine, driving by machine, maintenance by machine, repairs mostly by machine, etc... So again what new opportunities and jobs will their be and please someone be specific.

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Disillusioned

Today 08:04 am JST

This will be specific to location. Self driving cars will only be prevelent in cities.

You underestimate certain groups.

If we have both self driving and humans driving and accidents happen, we are going to see the demand to stop people from driving, it will not be maybe it will be 100% guaranteed this is the future if we let it.

The argument will be " the unpredictable equation is human reaction human error" "self-driving cars all communicate between eachother avoiding xyz" so logically the solution is stop humans.

So if people are still driving in the non city areas, they will not be permitted into urban areas where self-driving vehicles are.

Problem with that is we are already seeing trials of large self-driving Mac Trucks on highways in the USA, Canada and parts on Europe.

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Technology has been putting people out of work for a couple of centuries now. Especially manufacturing, where everything is done by robots now.

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No, because it will be eventually and slowly people will leave this part of service industry and entry other parts of the service industry.

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No, au contraire, it will create more jobs.

Jobs that don't even exist today.

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