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Saitama Prefecture is expected to be the first in Japan to have an ordinance that defines leaving children in the elementary school third grade or younger alone in their homes, cars or elsewhere alone as abuse. Do you think this is a good idea?

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No, it's common sense.

12 ( +22 / -10 )

Oh, god, please don't go the way of the US.

19 ( +31 / -12 )

Only a group of old men with no experience of child rearing could come nip with such a stupid law.

Highlights include

leaving your child alone while you take out the garbage is abuse.

Kids playing alone in the park is abuse

An 18 year old siblings looking after their younger brother/sister is abuse.

Idiots

14 ( +30 / -16 )

SpeedToday  08:20 am JST

Oh, god, please don't go the way of the US.

was going to say this! My parents were almost fined because my sister was left at home for just 15 minutes and some nothing better else to do neighbors decided to report it. Japan, don't go down that road. I would count leaving them in a locked car as abuse, but at home should not count.

13 ( +23 / -10 )

@Toshihiro @Speed, there were instances where children were left alone to play in a park, near a river, and guess what, they ended up down stream as the parents say " i left them for one minute". Where's your logic, young children will explore, therefore they do need attention. The points you are making are just as extreme as the one I mentioned above. This has nothing to do with the US and their laws, it has to deal with common sense, and some logical reasoning behind why Saitama thinks something needs to be done!!!

SpeedToday  08:20 am JST

Oh, god, please don't go the way of the US.

was going to say this! My parents were almost fined because my sister was left at home for just 15 minutes and some nothing better else to do neighbors decided to report it. Japan, don't go down that road. I would count leaving them in a locked car as abuse, but at home should not count.

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

Japan wants children but always find have new ways to make life difficult for being parents.

-5 ( +14 / -19 )

As long as it comes together with better support for parents (so they can have options to leave their children in proper care) it is an excellent idea.

0 ( +7 / -7 )

I'm not a fan of this type of regulation that is just way too broad and would label as "abuse" acts which clearly aren't.

Leaving a 2 year old in a car in a parking lot for 4 hours on an August afternoon while you play Pachinko?

Leaving a 9 year old home alone to work on their homework for 30 minutes while you run to the store to buy food to make dinner for them?

This law would treat both of these acts the same, yet common sense dictates that only one of them is abusive.

15 ( +16 / -1 )

Moonie-controlled LDP members be like "Why won't people revert to working husband and stay-at-home housewife family WAAAAAHHHHH."

-4 ( +6 / -10 )

Same applies to school events,deliveries,etc.

'Why isn't the Shufu at home during the day when we have traditionally organised our activity?

Does not compute!'

-7 ( +1 / -8 )

Yes!!! If you chose to have a child, make sure you look after 24/7. Some here, not so long ago complained that young children were left alone in cars and died. If you vote NO, that is exactly what is going to continue to happen!

-7 ( +5 / -12 )

If you vote NO, that is exactly what is going to continue to happen!

Not every problem is best solved my involving the police and the courts - they often make the problem worse. And the end result of making everything a crime is a police state.

6 ( +14 / -8 )

This is a terrible idea.

Not every problem is best solved my involving the police and the courts - they often make the problem worse. And the end result of making everything a crime is a police state.

exactly.

5 ( +10 / -5 )

The fact of leaving children unattended could be abuse, but it could also not be. A court should be able to decide which. It's not down to rules. There are far too many of those already.

-2 ( +3 / -5 )

Other news sources are reporting a change of heart. It seems a "public uproar" was the reason

Saitama to withdraw proposed ban on leaving children unattended

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/10/10/japan/society/saitama-child-abuse-bill-nixed/

4 ( +8 / -4 )

Yes, of course, it's common sense and has been for hundreds of thousands of years. Children , mothers and seniors in the cave or at home, the men outside at hunt, work or war. Nowadays it is difficult to to set in practice because both parents are forced to work for sufficient family income or they just want to force both their own career agenda against the children's necessities, but regarding the children's health and well-being the renewal of what has been usual for all former generations is a good idea and overdue. Maybe a not so strict compromise can help as a first step. Let's say a 10 minute tolerance limit, so that the caring person can go to toilet, bring the garbage out or make a very quick shopping nearby etc.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

A court should be able to decide which. It's not down to rules.

Its up to courts, but its not down to rules?

What exactly do you think courts apply?

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Speed - Oh, god, please don't go the way of the US.

Which way is that? Can you be more specific? I ask because most laws regarding child welfare are enacted and enforced by individual states and/or municipalities, rarely at the federal level.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Oh, god, please don't go the way of the US.

What way is that speed?

Some random extreme cases that makes it to the news, then regurgitated as antidotes of someone who knows someone who knows someone that you read on the internet?

0 ( +0 / -0 )

child neglect chose be punishable by law but starting from what age is the question

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Might want to reword that quiz. Saitama is NOT expected to be the first. They literally just rejected it.

You know what, when my wife first suggested leaving our 1 month old at home while she dropped the 2 year old off at childcare I was a bit surprised.

Logically it's a 10 minute round trip and she would be exposed to multitudes more danger being carried around crossing the main road etc.

We've decided it's safest she stays in her cot alseep. Rulemakers and ignorant do gooders can piss off. Thanks.

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

Actually, you know what, I get where the rulemakers are coming from in a sense.

Rules in old Japan were more like guidelines. Unpoliced, but a great avenue to be able to come down on actual serious offenders like a tonne of bricks.

Make it illegal. Still have most people do it. When someone fu@#s up, punish them to the extreme.

It actually works as long as most people realise the law is thte guideline but it has buffers for reasonable excuses.

Recently (last 20 years) it seems to me the inflexible type is growing.

Look at speed limits. 80 zone. 100 ok. 110 grey 120 no good. Everyone knows this. And you get to ping the guy/gal/thing doing 120 for 40kmh over the limit. Set it at 110 and you can only give 120kph him/her/it a slap on the wrist, or end up like Australia with ridiculous fines for minor infringements.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

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