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LOL. 4 of the 6 about America, and the one about AIDS usually has the obligatory bogus CIA reference. Says all you need to know about conspiracy types.

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there is absolutely no way that anyone has landed on the moon. if they could have done that 40 years ago, why wouldn't they have been back. The technology now is far superior but aparantely they can't go back until 2020. I'm not sure exactly how this was reinacted because I agree that many people would have to keep a big secret. Its just weird.

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These are easy:

1) Yes, there was a UFO crash. That doesn't mean it was from another planet, but something did crash there.

2) DoD had Kennedy killed.

3) We went to the moon.

4) We know what happened on 9/11

5) Princess Diana died in a terrible accident.

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For me, it has to be the Adam & Eve and Amaterasu conspiracies.

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@mistersmarmy seems to be completely unaware that they DID go back. Five times, in fact, after the first landing. Why don't they continue to go back and forth? It's an AIRLESS ROCK that is HIDEOUSLY EXPENSIVE to get to and from, and there just isn't much you can do once you get there except to collect a few souvenirs. Going there, and staying there, involves money that most people simply don't want to spend. Enormous money, with very, very, little possibility of any return on the investment, other than pure knowledge. Going there was pretty much a stunt, but it was a real stunt, not a faked stunt. People who believe otherwise probably believe in the Tooth Fairy, too.

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I guess this "survey" is an attempt by JT to find out the general IQ level of its English language readership. Let's see if it nudges the century mark.

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The precise number of Jews in Europe just prior to WW11 and how many for each occupied country. How many left Europe and survived elsewhere in the world at wars end in 1945. How many that remained in Nazi occupied parts of Europe died of natural causes in Europe and on a country by country basis. How many in these occupied areas areas survived the war. It is not that I don't accept that a huge number died as one of the many genocide experiments man continues to frequently visit on itself, but if I have to be told every day of my 63 year life so far and probably to the day I die that six million Jews died at the hands of the Nazi's in WW11, will some authority e.g, the German Government publish the figures so I don't die wondering.

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Mine was other, what I want to know is.....(drum roll please)

I want to know if tin foil caps really help protect you against Government spying? Or are the Monchichi's really a self portrait of the Dear Leader?

Ok this one is one of the funnier polls. I love some of the responses. Please keep them coming.

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Yuki 51, or is it really Neil Armstrong? u r so smart. we may as well close down this website. instead you can set up another website and we'll just read your know it all comments. congrats.

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@mistersmarmy: Can you spell ad hominem? I didn't think so.

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mistersmarmy

Guess you really didn't know that there were actually 6 manned landings on the moon with 12 Americans setting foot on the surface. Don't fault Yuki 51 for giving you a history lesson you should have gotten back in grade school...

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@Brunobear: Would it matter if someone could produce a number like, say, 5,261,347?

You realize of course that pretty much the entire continent of Europe (particularly central and eastern Europe) was a wasteland by May of '45, right? Public records were, in so many countries, simply incinerated by bombing and general warfare, as the Germans stormed through on their way east, only to have the Russians storm through in the opposite direction later.

The German government, to my knowledge, has never tried to come up with a number, and they probably couldn't if they wanted to. But they make no qualms about what happened, particularly the general scale of it.

Do you think it was inflated by several hundred percent? As usual, there are professorships, Nobel Prizes, fame and monetary rewards for anyone who can prove a great conspiracy. So far, no one seems to have been able to do it. Can you imagine that competent people haven't tried?

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The Christian Conspiracy that has billions in the 21st century still believing passionately that a virgin gave birth to a male who was actually the son of god and all the mumbo-jumbo about his life, death and resurrection.

What Hath God Wrought? A lot of pain and misery for so many for two millenia based on fiction and propaganda used and abused by the Church and its offshoots.

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How amusing. The conspiracy types here are so caught up in their delusions that they seem to forget (or never understood) that a conspiracy is an attempt to fool others.

Why is it those posting their theories about JFK, or 9-11, or the Apollo landings, or religion, can never provide coherent explanations for the actions of the supposed perps?

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How about America knew about the attack on Pearl Harbour before it happened?

My, my, is that a cat I see there among the pigeons?

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What a silly poll - none of the above are conspiracies, and I should know because my pals in the Illuminati, Bilderberg Group, CFR, Freemasons, Opus Dei, NSA, and Elders of Zion all told me so.

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Yuki_51 at 09:11 PM JST - 29th March

“People who believe otherwise probably believe in the Tooth Fairy, too.”

And just what is it you are trying to suggest about our dearly beloved Tooth Fairy?

Yuki_51 at 09:18

“I guess this "survey" is an attempt by JT to find out the general IQ level of its English language readership”

I did wonder what the 51 was for, now we know.

Brunobear at 09:27 PM JST - 29th March

“will some authority e.g, the German Government publish the figures so I don't die wondering.”

No.

My interest would be in the Vatican, now there is a conspiracy. Year after year they have been leading the faithful (gullible) nowhere & taking their money on the way, one way or another. They are one of the richest organisations (if not the richest) in the world but they don’t give money away, no, they get the “faithful” to do that.

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People who think the space race was a farce need to look at the whole picture. The US was in a space race with the Soviet Union, we were watching them and they were watching us. Millions of people in both countries were involved in the space program, so if it were all fake, wouldn't it of been beneficial for either side to go out and disprove the other side was faking it. Wouldn't the US have a field day proving that all those early soviet accomplishments in space were fake? Wouldn't the Soviet Union have a field day proving the American space program or moon landing was all fake? The truth is, there isn't anything to hide, because man did actually walk on the moon.

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911 is a different story. Anyone with any sense knows it isn't what we were told. Buildings hit by airplanes don't collapse straight down. They just.. don't (if you don't believe me do some research).

Though I must give credit to a mate of mine who still believes El-Quida did it. He said they had suicide bombers on every floor to bring it down like it happened!

Don't agree of course, but even he knows that something isn't right with the Western worlds greatest building's steel melting causing it to collapse straight down.

Now I'm not saying I know who did it, and I certainly don't believe the US government (directly or wholly) had anything to do with it, but something is off.....

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pathat

The Christian Conspiracy that has billions in the 21st century still believing passionately that a virgin gave birth to a male who was actually the son of god and all the mumbo-jumbo about his life, death and resurrection.

But don't we already know the truth behind that? : )

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herzenstube at 03:58 AM

No!

please do tell.

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Whether Marilyn Monroe was murdered.

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@bishamonten- The fact that I didn't try to convert pathat or condemn him to hell should give you some indication as to my opinion of Christianity. Then again, I still believe terrorists caused the Trade Towers to fall, so that shows you how skewed my logic is!

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No no, change my last I want to know if "Cheese on a stick" are made through alien tech discovered from the Roswell crash!

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Silly question - should be "do you believe that .... is a conspiracy theory". The question reads as if JT believes that all of these are conspiracy theories.

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herzenstube at 05:59 AM JST - 30th March

I may be totally wrong here but the way I read it I thought the Bishamonten was asking for clarification about the virgin birth to which you had said “But don't we already know the truth behind that? : )”

If you do have an answer to that one I too am waiting.

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Yuki 51. The problem with the Nazi "holocaust" cannundrum is the same as the Bolshevik "holocaust" cannundrum that preceded it in Russia. Combined they are the European 20th Century "Wholecaust". We know they occurred but what are the real numbers and the make up of those who died and who were the people that enabled them to happen? Sixty years later there has been no definitive answers given, yet we can readily research what the Romans were doing and how many they killed 2,000 years ago. The truth matters.

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I see the JFK conspiracy is almost level with the Roswell one. I was expecting more people to be interested in UFOs than JFK.

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I am dying to know whether or not the Hindenburg was really shot down by a Patriot missile fired by the Jewish Defense League back in 1937, and thereby spurring the Holocaust in Europe.

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smartacus;

I see the JFK conspiracy is almost level with the Roswell one. I was expecting more people to be interested in UFOs than JFK.

That's because the two are related. I saw a video about it on the Youtubes.

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USNinjapan2. Let me explain this to you, as it also appears that you learnt very little at school. whether the US claims it landed once, twice or a hundred times on the moon - I don' believe it - get it? and I'm also entitled to my opinion without people like you 'teaching' me a lesson. If you don't like to see people expressing their opinions - why do you read this website?

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What about the one where our entire world and society is just, like, one big social experiment by the aliens?

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But Altria, that isn't a conspiracy theory, it's the truth .....isn't it?

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Watch mythbusters, they proved man walked on the moon.

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I am very suspicious of the moonwalk and curious about the AIDS virus. I don’t care about Roswell and I kind of know who did JFK (not Oswald) and 9-11 (not Al-Quaeda). I suspect Diana was murdered (by the usual culprits), much of what has happened recently would have been more difficult if she were alive today, married to an Arab and having a half-Arab child!

As usual, there are professorships, Nobel Prizes, fame and monetary rewards for anyone who can prove a great conspiracy.

Actually, PhDs and professorships are taken away or denied to those who question that particular conspiracy (holocaust). Many have become unemployed, imprisoned, beaten up, or even killed for looking into it.

The Christian Conspiracy that has billions in the 21st century still believing passionately that a virgin gave birth to a male who was actually the son of god and all the mumbo-jumbo about his life, death and resurrection.

Indeed, and not to mention all the mumbo-jumbo about God promising a piece of land to the chosen ones.

Why is it those posting their theories about JFK, or 9-11, or the Apollo landings, or religion, can never provide coherent explanations for the actions of the supposed perps?

Indeed, there is much nonsense out there, maybe purposefully put there to make “conspiracy theorists” look like wackos. Usually they get all the attention, including the incoherent nonsense that becomes the official version (of JFK, 9-11, and other events).

There are very coherent explanations for 9-11 and JFK out there.

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i object to listing the theory about the AIDs virus having been created in a lab: AIDs isn't a virus, for a start, it's a syndrome. there are in fact some interesting theories that suggest AIDs doesn't actually exist as we think it does at all, and that HIV is not an associated virus

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Didn't Mythbusters proves the moon landing was true?

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mistersmarmy

Where we disagree is that you believe that the veracity of the lunar landings should be a matter of opinion while for me it's scientifically recorded history that isn't up to interpretation. What's happened has happened and not up to debate. I guess you should take comfort in the fact that a whopping 6% of the general public share your opinion, misguided as it is.

So indulge me, what form of proof would you need to satisfy your skepticism of the lunar landings? You obviously can't experience it yourself to prove it firsthand. You don't believe any video or audial recordings of the landings or the consensus of the scientific community that the landings were indeed carried out sucessfully. So what would convince you? Set the bar and I'll see if I can find independent evidence that'll meet your criteria.

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no disrespect to the mythbusters guys, but i don't recall them becoming the recognised international authority on truth

going to watch the vid now anyway!

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Myth busters did that? Is it on you tube or do I have to ov guide it?

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Myth busters did that? Is it on you tube or do I have to ov guide it?

I saw it on megavideo but I am sure you can probably find it on youtube.

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scientifically recorded history that isn't up to interpretation

Well, we have a rocket (OK, a few rockets) going up and coming back down, and some video and pictures allegedly taken from the moon. Maybe they have landed on the moon, or maybe they haven't, who really knows. All I know is that its from the same people who brought us the Oswald with the Magic Bullet and the 19 Arabs with boxcutters stories.

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And as for the guys with the boxcutters, sabiwabi, you overlook the dozens of telephone calls from people on the planes describing exactly that -- guys with boxcutters using violence to take over the planes. What, they weren't Arabs? What planet do you live on? We have video of these guys. We know their names, the villages where they were born, and how they paid for their one-way tickets. There is simply no doubt about what happened that day in the minds of sane people.

It's amazing to me that, by and large, people who buy into one of these conspiracy theories invariably buy into most of them, if not all of them.

It seems to be a group of people who are simply rebelling against all authority. I don't know if it's because they feel powerless in this world, and their "they are all lying to us" attitude makes them feel somehow empowered, or exactly what the underlying pathology is. But assuming people are not just writing garbage for the fun of it, assuming that they actually believe what they write, it's truly scary.

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To land a man on the moon took thousands of other men (& some women) a lot of work. If it had been faked at least one of these people would by now have leaked that information. That has not happened. At the same time the USSR was also engaged in sending things into space, they would have known at the time if the landings were fake & they would have delighted in telling the world that the US was lying.

It happened even if you dislike the idea that the US got there first you have to accept it.

All this nonsense originates from a book & film made on the subject, both produced as fantasy but sadly believed by the easily lead. Holly Wood is the home of so many silly ideas that do lead the simple minded down cul de sacs of pointless thinking.

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Indeed, grafton. Twelve men landed on the moon, two each in six separate flights. The number of people involved in the project probably runs not merely into the thousands, but the tens of thousands. It is probably the most remarkable engineering achievement in human history. So daunting a task is it that no one since has even attempted it. Someday of course, providing we don't decide to knock our civilization back into the dark ages, somebody will do it again. The math has all been done, the engineering rather old hat; it's just going to take a ton of disposable money and a lot of will. And when the next visitors get there, if they look in the right places, they will find footprints. Those footprints are going to be there for a long, long time.

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Maybe they have landed on the moon, or maybe they haven't, who really knows.

The astronauts know.

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USNinJapan2, thats what I've been saying too, some people need to look at the whole picture (check out my post earlier). The moon landings happened (I mentioned in an earlier comment about the space program), if it were all fake wouldn't the soviet union, it's spies in the KGB and all and space program watching ours want to go out and have a propaganda field day saying it was all fake? The truth is, we landed on the moon, it actually happened, and out of all the millions apon millions of people who actually worked in the space program on both sides, none has come out to say otherwise.

As for 9/11, as much as I am a conspiracy person (eg I don't think Oswald killed JFK, and I think a UFO crashed as Rosewell), but when it comes to 9/11, I don't think there was a conspiracy behind it. Were there people who knew something was going to happen, of course, but it was just a failure of government bureaucracy in interagency fighting, of not knowing when something might happen, and the slow response of agencies to take action. Just like Pearl Harbor, yes we knew the Japanese were going to strike sometime, somewhere, but we just didn't know when and where.

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The pictures from the moon landings were first received in Australia by numerous Australian scientists and technicians on Australian Government owned facilities before being instantly transmitted on to Mission control in the US. The fake moon landings made up in a London studio, were simply as an ill conceived back-up for the massive world TV audience, in case the Australian receiver failed to pick the actual ones up. That has been known about since the first successful moon landing by Neil Armstrong in 1969. We sent humans up there and brought them back and they went out in to the world and lectured or spoke for years about it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but no one is entitled to be wrong in their facts. That applies to the various "holocausts" as well and we have had Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia since the eighties. None is more special than the other. They were all evil. Just gives us the facts. We know Julius Ceaser slaughtered a city in France of 80,000 about 45 BC because they rose up against Rome. Why is it we have records to get these ancient facts and not twentieth century facts. That is a conspiracy!

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The astronauts know.

Don't you mean the "astronauts" know? ;)

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The Moon...... You fools, it never existed in the first place.

I have the proof.

http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm

Dispute...Any of it.

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I also want to know who really killed Attila the Hun....Some say it was his wife and others claim it was the Roman's.

Also add the, who poisoned Arius....I myself believe it was Constantine trying to take more control over the churches.

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1) Who's brain in a jar is creating this reality? 2) Who is the "man"? 3) Where do members of the white institution meet? 4) Is bigfoot just a guy who hasn't shaved? 5) Can HAARP control everything it's purported to be able to? 6) Did Tesla create and energy weapon that could overload a whole region's power grid and cause people to procreate.

Really, I think the nuttier the conspiracy theory the less I want to the truth.

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We know their names

and that they're alive and well!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

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It's because the Earth is the Moon's Moon.

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the Lindbergh kidnap

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and whether Marilyn Monroe was murdered

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All these conspriacy theories are a waste of money but I guess everybody has to have a hobby.

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and that they're alive and well! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

C'mon. The date of that article is Sunday, 23 September, 2001. Of course there was still confusion at that early time. The only confusion that remains consists of confused minds and those who want to be confused, or who want to try to confuse others.

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I'd love to know how you can melt reinforced steel with jet fuel so that 3 steel-framed buildings can fall into their own footstep, but only on September 11th 2001 - never before and never since. Odd, that.

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I'd love to know how you can melt reinforced steel with jet fuel so that 3 steel-framed buildings can fall into their own footstep, but only on September 11th 2001 - never before and never since.

Ivan, the heat didn't melt the steel; it softened it. Please get your paranoia correct. And how many steel building of that height and design have burned? Read up a little. Better yet, more than a little.

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Nessie - it's not paranoia...it's physics.

Plenty of steel-framed buildings have burned - many for longer and withmore intense heat - but remained structurally intact.

I've read plenty, thanks.

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why is it that anti conspiracy theorists are so arrogant and condescending to others? you guys really show your true inner selves during these threads and its unpretty.

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It all become clear when a fellah realizes he can connect Bush jr and Bush sr to each one of these, right?

Am I gettin warm?

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I find that they are usually pretty young, and due to the wonderful public education system, they know next to nothing about the world before they were born, even the last 30 years. I had to show someone a photograph of a DDT truck before they'd believe they actually existed and were used all over America in the 50s and 60s, and that kids rode their bikes in the fumes and nobody died :-D The anti-vaccination people too, don't realize that thimerosal, the preservative in vaccines (0.001% 1 microgram per shot at present)which they claim causes autism was used since the 1930s in much higher concentrations, was painted in the form of mecurichrome on every cut and scrape and was used, diluted, as an ear wash. My father's generation (b.1930) should have had a massive autism epidemic. They don't look at the past at all, they start out with the answers and search backwards for anything they think will support them, the exact opposite of scientific inquiry.

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10 personality traits of conspiracy theorists-

A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.

Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "sheep" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for precis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length.

Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.

Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.

Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.

Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.

Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.

Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's “happened before”.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.

It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.
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Donna Ferentes? Really? As in Timeo Danaos et?

But what really gets on my nerves is the knee-jerk assumption that, because the Bush Government asserts something to be the truth, anybody who believes otherwise, supported by the evidence of physics, by documentary evidence of motive (the signatories of PNAC who required "a new Pearl Harbor" before their new geo-political crusade would be acceptable), by the evidence of our own eyes and by simple cui bono logic, must be some kind of deranged loony.

Believe what your betters tell you bto believe, or you must be insane and to be ridiculed.

Smells like freedom to me.

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As for the steel building collapses ...

It's all quite well documented. Architects now understand exactly what temperatures were reached, and the precise dynamics of the falls. There is absolutely nothing mysterious or unknown about it, nothing that would suggest anything other than exactly what appeared to have happened, and what indeed did happen. Only those who want to believe something else persist in their folly. And they do so in spite of vast evidence that absolutely buries their pet point of attack (the steel melting in this case) under a mountain of logic and fact.

For your information, I'm a licensed commercial pilot, and I suspect you wouldn't know Jet A-1 (it's a fuel) from Jet B. I also wonder if you can visual 5,000 gallons of fuel in one location -- I mean the size of it. Now take that by almost a factor of FIVE (nearly 25,000 gallons), and light a match to it.

Odd that the steel melted? Sheesh. Go get a degree in some physical science, please.

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Capricorn One was a great movie.

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Yuki51

Interesting point. Care to explain why WTC7 fell geometrically into its own footprint without having been struck by any of the planes?

And I'd love to see what these mountains of evidence are which bury my "pet point of attack".

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I'm not into doing homework for other people, sorry. It's out there; it's mountainous; it's incontrovertible. Spend some time on it.

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Plenty of steel-framed buildings have burned - many for longer and withmore intense heat - but remained structurally intact.

Hundred-story buildings of similar design to the WTC? Or did you purposely skip that part of my post?

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I'm bored by stubborn ignorance posing as something else. There is nothing I can write, nor nothing I can reference, that is going to change your closed mind. You believe a giant hoax was pulled on millions of intelligence folks because that is exactly what you want to believe. No one is going to change it, including me.

Sayounara from this ridiculous thread.

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Yuki - thought not.

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Was Michael Jackson's 1989 moonwalk real, or was it just a camera trick?

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While it would be fun if there were aliens, they would have made contact again if they came down in Roswell the first time. I don't know why so many people care about JFK, he was assassinated, does it really matter by whom?

I think 9/11 is the only "theory" that's modern enough and covered up enough for us to actually find out new information. It might not turn out to be a full blown conspiracy, but its totally possible that it didn't happen like we think.

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all of them are true of course, the asasins of JFK landed in roswell to assinate JFK and then took over the precedency all of the presidents have been a alien since, the other aliens faked the moonlanding and the alien cold mutated into the Aids Virus(in his nose lab so to speak). Diana found out the truth and was silenced, one of the aliens became bin laden and an other one went into the banking buisiness

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Why did WTC 7 collapse, well its fully explained in 115 pages of data. http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf

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Terrorists tried to bring down the WTC towers circa 1992/3 with explosives in the basement attached to the concrete surrounded metal columns. The explosions failed to bring the building(s) down. In a public enquiry several years later an engineer with close knowledge of the buildings steel structure told the inquiry that it would be impossible to bring the buildings down by that method. Gratuitously he advised the only way it could be done was to hit the buildings with a jetliner full of fuel between the say 70th and 90th floor. The impact and the heat would do the job because unlike most skyscrapers these buildings are just steel frame construction, not reinforced concrete and also lacked strong reinforced concrete lift cores. Survivors got out of one of the jammed lifts, after the explosion, with a coat hanger, cutting through the lift wall and then the soft shaft wall beyond. The fact that the method to bring the building down was disclosed at the public hearing was the reason Bush implemented his Guantanomo Bay strategy. To try and keep the information provided by the captives secret from the terrorists. That was not likely to happen if they were brought into the US and were subject to the openness of the US legal system. Some might argue that act was a conspiracy.

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Believe what your betters tell you bto believe, or you must be insane and to be ridiculed. Smells like freedom to me.

That's not what I said at all, that you have to believe everything you are told, just everything doesn't have to be blamed on government, mercury, chemtrails, a one world government, new world order and the Masons. And aliens. Forgot them.

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I was referencing the tedium of conspiracy theory based arguments in general.

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I'm sorry but I find them amusing. That said, I'd like to know the truth behind Lennon's assassination too.

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That said, I'd like to know the truth behind Lennon's assassination too.

The Walrus did it.

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Ivan, Here are several good websites that debunk most of the 911 Troof Movement. http://www.debunking911.com/ http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html http://www.layscience.net/node/124 http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/ http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/ Have fun reading.

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The Walrus did it.

:-D

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Keech - many thanks for those links. I look forward to reading them. It's a refreshing change to get a more cogent defence than the "If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you" routine Yuki gave above. Thanks again.

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"If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you"

No, there are people on the internet who endlessly demand 'Prove it!' and since their minds are made up anyway, it's a total waste of time to try and dig up enough stuff to try and convince them. Whatever you post will never satisfy them, I understand Yuji saying 'Do your own homework' very well.

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There is no point in arguing with conspiracy nuts. They will stick to their juicy conspiracies, no matter what we say.

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Anyway, the juciest conspiracies are missing... what about Illuminati, Reptilians, hollow earth, Underground cities, year 2012, Planet Nibiru and so on?

Moon landing, Kennedy assassination 9/11 truthers... bah, old stuff.

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It's crystal clear that the government's official story like their stories on everything else, is a complete lie. But who really did 911 and why? A simple question one should ask, is 'what did 911 serve'? The answer to that is very simple. The aftermath of 911 led to two different wars, and we all know how 911 was falsely attached to the justifications for America's wars. Almost 90% of US troops in Iraq think that Saddam had a role in 911 and that the war was revenge for it. That level of total ignorance is mind-blowing. Iraq was not a threat to the US, they were a threat to Israel, and the same case can be said about Iran. We know who really wants these wars.

There can be no doubt that the press consciously distorted information leading up to the wars, and that they never made any clear pronouncements about how they had been wrong about their lies, with the Weapons of Mass Destruction myth being a clear stinging example. There are people in the US who still believe that Iraq had WMDs or that they moved them to Syria! If you want to know who planned 911 then a good place to look would be who do we know planned and then lied about Iraq? (also who has been lying the most about Iran) Who championed the disinformation? Where were the lies coming from? And when was this war really planned and where? The answered to all of those questions are sadly the same.

911 was the Mossad, which is not an intelligence agency per say, it is more a terrorist agency for the military industrial complex which feeds off of the hatred of the bigots and useful idiots concentrated in Israel. The US and Israeli agencies and their Neocon governments work for their own interests. 911 was an inside job which was part of a larger plan for perpetual war hatched in Israel. 911 and the wars in the Middle East were carefully planned attacks carried out by a faction of Zionist Neocons and the Israeli Mossad. The policy papers were written by dual citizens. The equitty firms profitting form the Iraq War like Trireme (Perle and Kissinger) and the law firms processing contracts like Feith and Zell, the Anthrax attack (Dr. Philp Zack) and the anthrax attack speech (written by Lewis Libby), the PNAC documents, the DPG (Libby and Wolfowitz), the lies from jounalists (Safire: Guardian of Zion award winner) (Judith Miller, love affair with Libby) (Russert, Novak, all of FOX etc) about Iraq's WMD were all connected back to the same Zionist cabal in the DOD and office of the vice president. And the Niger forgeries (Ledeen, Franklin, Feith), which are clear concrete proof to show that these men were consciously lying.

Also the INC and Chalabi who served as "sources" for these yellow journalists were suggested as replacements to Saddam as far back as the mid 90s by none other than Wolfowitz and Libby. Futhermore AIPAC the largest Israeli lobby was caught red handed (Rosen and Weissman) spying on the US about Iraq and Iran through moles (Larry Franklin, Gilon) inside the very same offices that were meeting with Israeli generals. (Feith and Perle). Not only was the lobby caught spying but Zionist lobbiest (Jack Abramoff) were busted bribing congress. [and possibly blackmailing]. Then in a story that was pulled from FOX News, there was another seperate massive Israeli spy ring that had agents living next door to the said hijackers of 911. (Israeli Art students) and on top of that the Mossad with its front (Urban Moving systems) was busted filming 911 and cheering.

The 911 commission comprised a PNAC member (John Lehman), Bush's current Lawyer who is also a lawyer for Blackwater (Fred Feilding), a Hollinger BOD member with Perle and Kissinger (James R. Thompson), and other dubious characters. They did not even address the collapse of Building 7 which the BBC reported fell before it had even fallen.

Much of the cover up which the MSM just repeated was done by Popular Mechanics a magazine whose editor was the cousin of Michael Chertoff, the author of the Patriot Act quickly who became the head of Joe Lieberman and Arlen Spector's new creation the department of Homeland security. Note that the Patriot Act was passed while congress was under the duress of anthrax attacks which turned out to be from a Jewish American Zionist and the speech that Colin Powell read to the UN was written by Lewis Libby. They already had these documents previously written before 911 just waiting for it to happen.

Central banks with the MIC are controlling the show right now. They're the current cash cow to feed off of Zionism. The Defense department is a corporation, one that was missing trillions of dollars and admitted this the day before 911. The secretary for Policy (Richard Perle, Trireme inc, Hollinger, Boeing) The Army Secretary (Thomas White Eron) The Navy Secretary (Gordon England General Dynamics) The Airforce secretary (James Roche Northrop Grumman) all acted in their own personal interests. The Office of Special Plans' Douglas Feith and Paul Wolfowitz were also Northrop Grumman employees.

PNAC's rebuilding America's defenses which mention the need for a new Pearl Harbor like attack, was based on the Israeli Clean Break papers and written by Lewis Libby the lawyer for the Mossad Agent Marc Rich who was involved in Iran Contra and the "privatization" of Russia, a regular mafia thug who got a pardon from Bill Clinton. Also in Iran Contra was Elliot Abrams who got a pardon from Bush's father.

The players behind what went down are not secret, they do everything openly. It is almost like they want to be caught as if they are bragging about it. If people can ignore the disinfo and focus on real people, which we have plenty of actual documentation for as to being behind 911 and the following wars, then we can expose these crooks and let the consequences fall on them however they may.

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What does it matter? What is more important to me is how are we going to stop tyranny around the world? This is why people are starving. Save the hungry and leave his wife at home. Some thug tries to control the masses all the while living it up in a white mansion in wash DC. Arrogance has once again reached a new low. All of the men and women in congress must be forced to pay taxes on their nine different homes like everybody else. Isn't ALL the American Congress in the top 10% of wealth?
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The Walrus did it.

it could have been the Eggman. Or the butler, now that's a conspiracy theory (of movies and stories anyway)

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sabiwabi:

" It's crystal clear that the government's official story like their stories on everything else, is a complete lie. But who really did 911 and why? A simple question one should ask, is 'what did 911 serve'? The answer to that is very simple. The aftermath of 911 led to two different wars, "

Sure. GWB bombed his own friends in his own country in order to get bogged down in two unwinnable conflicts at a cost of 2 trillian and growing with no end in sight. To a conspiracy theorist I guess that makes sense...

By the way, are you saying that the FIRST jihadist attempt to blow up the WTC in 1993 was also an evil conspiracy by the US government?

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WilliB

Sure. GWB bombed his own friends in his own country in order to get bogged down in two unwinnable conflicts at a cost of 2 trillian and growing with no end in sight. To a conspiracy theorist I guess that makes sense...

Indeed, it makes perfect sense. The American people are getting ripped off in a major way. But the MIC are delighted by the whole thing, they are getting the "2 trillian and growing with no end in sight".

By the way, are you saying that the FIRST jihadist attempt to blow up the WTC in 1993 was also an evil conspiracy by the US government?

Yes!

BTW, are you saying that GWB and his friends, and now BHO and his friends, are honest and truly working in the interest of the American people?

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But who really did 911 and why? A simple question one should ask, is 'what did 911 serve'?

It served to weaken the US, particularly the Republicans and strengthen Iran, Sabi. By your logic, Iran did it. This is why looking into who it served is not always the way to go.

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JFK and UFOs neck and neck.

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I think this is the dumbest question I've ever seen!

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It served to weaken the US, particularly the Republicans and strengthen Iran, Sabi. By your logic, Iran did it. This is why looking into who it served is not always the way to go.

No, this lead to Iran being surrounded by American forces. Iran will be next in the sequence of events. Looking into who it served requires some thought. So why do you think all those people I mentioned above told those lies and the media did not question them? Iran is not behind this.

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keech2:

" Ivan, Here are several good websites that debunk most of the 911 Troof Movement. http://www.debunking911.com/ http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html http://www.layscience.net/node/124 http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/ http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/ Have fun reading. "

Actually, you don´t have to go through all serious reading. This guy nails the 911 morons right here: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

Now. What about the Illuminati and Planet Nibiru?

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5 out of 7 choices involve the USA. whats that all about?

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Whether a UFO crashed near Roswell in 1947

no, it was a (failed) man made secret weather monitering system that the us was trying to keep secret at the time.

Who really killed JFK

the US government. for JFK threatening to reveal some of the things that he was held to secracy about.

Whether the 1969 moonwalk was filmed in a studio

i dont have the slightest clue, but the wind does not blow on the moon, and we know people can get there now so it doesnt really matter.

Whether the AIDS virus was created in a lab

yes it was. it was being tested as a means for population control for nations that the us feared.

What really happened on 9/11

Watch the zeigiest.. it explains most of it.

Whether Princess Diana was murdered

Probably not, but peoples hearts really dont want to let this one go so easy.

i think

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WilliB, Thanks for the link. Good stuff.

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AIDS was created in LAB. I saw an documentary about it. Experiments on a germ killing bacteria. The scientists and doctors used African people as test subjects. It's all true.

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memyself:

" "It's all true." "

But of course! All conspiracy theories are true... for the believers. That is self-defining.

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OK, anyone retarded enough to think that the moon landing was staged might want to watch this episode of Mythbusters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVxSFnjYCA

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If four people are in a car accident and the only person survived was wearing a seatbelt would it be suspicious? Just because one of them is famous shouldn't make it any different.

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Listen carefully folks:

UFOs dont exist. This needs no further explanation - just think it through. There is no JFK conspiracy. After all this time we still have no evidence of it .... that`s an awful lot of people keeping a very big secret. AIDS is not some biological-warfare experiment gone wrong. Viruses mutate, adapt and cross-over - live with it. 9/11 was witnessed by millions - it went down the way you saw it. No conspiracy, just fundamentalist/fascist terrorism. Diana dies in a tragic accident. Do you really believe she was important enough for the resources of an entire Nation to be used to assisinate her and then cover it up? Not to mention how many people would have to be keeping that one a secret too.

Let them all go - get on with your lives.

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Oh, and the moon landing - seriously! Does any clear-thinking person believe that we didn`t go to the moon?!

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What hit the Pentagon? A plane could certainly not fit inside.

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I think this is the dumbest question I've ever seen!

Your comment is not particularly useful. A lot of people are interested in this sort of thing.

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Correction: a 757 plane could not fit inside that "hole" in the Pentagon. A fighter plane had the acrobatic ability to maneuver into it. The FBI confiscated all those tapes around the area. I say nobody pay taxes until they are returned.

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Why are there so many votes for the UFO that crashed in 1947? Never heard of it and don't care at all.

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hellokitty

Sure, we shot down UA Flight 93 too. Don't forget that one.

Please.

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USN - In fact, the pilot of the fighter who shot down Flight 93 was the one who said "Let's roll!"

Kitty - "I say nobody pay taxes"

The president's cabinet members have done their best to comply! Hee hee!

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hellokitty, I'm not a big fan of the following website, but the writer does a good job explaining the facts of the Pentagon attack. Give it a read. He does a very good job explaining about the size of the impact hole in the wall of the Pentagon. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

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keech2:

Actually, I find it quite hilarious that the conspiracy nuts believe that a jumbo jet flying into a ferroconcrete building would leave a neat hole in the silhouette of a plane. Just like in a Bugs Bunny cartoon or some such, LOL! It says something about our education system doesn´t it.

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Willi, The only silhouette I found was the one where they stopped the parking gate film right before the object hit the building to show that a 757 could fit into the blurred shape on the film. True, the website is mostly crap, that's why I was surprised that I found the report there.

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I checked other on the survey. I am really interested in the conspiracy to create conspiracy theories.

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