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As long as there are 10 to 20% of the elderly who have never been vaccinated, the possibility of infections spreading remains.

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Hideo Maeda, director of the Kita Ward Public Health Center in Tokyo. Infections with the coronavirus are on the rise again among elderly people age 65 and over, a group that has a vaccination rate of more than 80%.

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Nothing effective has been done right from the beginning, so it’s now a mess and it will remain a mess. You won’t get 100% vaccination rates, 100% vaccine efficacy, herd immunity, always safe booster shots and so on. And of course you all grow quickly into those higher vulnerable age groups too. The problems for everyone are on average not so much now, but very soon ahead. How do , even if you all of it survive, the many future vaccinations , LongCovid effects, corona virus damaged organs and booster shot small untreated thrombosis’ change your health and life expectancy as a whole in the nearer future years? That’s the real question, you for yourself and also the society as a whole has to put and find an answer for. I’m vaccinated completely too, but that only brings me some further months, before I am in the same danger level again and nobody can tell or assure me that or how many times that ‘gambling’ with vaccinations and boosting will be successful again. It’s just only a mess, I tell you…and not even talking about newer variants or other occurring issues. Let’s see.

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Even with 100% vaccinated, there's still a risk. It's happening all the time, e.g. https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3141136/uk-navys-flagship-hit-covid-19-outbreak-en-route-asia

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As long as the efficacy of vaccines against Delta is 50 to 60% the possibility of infections spreading is guaranteed.

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Or you can drop the effective ban on vaccinating young people, who are currently the main vectors of spread.

Outside of the elite cities/wards, young people are still prevented from vaccine appointments, with no indication as to when standard vaccinations can become available outside of JSDF and Shibuya center.

Some cities are already planning to close down the vaccination centers by November without even considering all the young people who are still unable to schedule appointments.

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Except the Japanse media has reported the elderly have the highest rate of vaccination according to the National Health Ministry. So either Maeda is worng or the Health Ministry is.

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In our own location more over 60s, have had the vaccination than not. Everyone must decide for themselves.

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I thought the vaccine didn't stop contagion.

That's the problem with making assumptions instead of reading up on facts. You get stuff flat wrong. Maybe try reading what the scientists say next time, and you can avoid that mistake.

According to the US CDC (I heard they have a few scientists there), against Delta the efficacy of Pfizer and Moderna are 53%, which means that for 47% of vaccinated people, vaccines do not stop the contagion.

I also heard that's the problem with making assumptions instead of reading up on facts. You get stuff flat wrong. Maybe try reading what the scientists say next time, and you can avoid that mistake.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm

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You start with:

I thought the vaccine didn't stop contagion.

Then move to:

According to the US CDC (I heard they have a few scientists there), against Delta the efficacy of Pfizer and Moderna are 53%, which means that for 47% of vaccinated people, vaccines do not stop the contagion.

So by your own comment, the vaccine stops it over half the time. Which is why I said this:

That's the problem with making assumptions instead of reading up on facts. You get stuff flat wrong. Maybe try reading what the scientists say next time, and you can avoid that mistake.

If you would have read the CDC's comments in the first place, you wouldn't have been wrong with your initial belief that the vaccine doesn't stop contagion.

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You start with:

I thought the vaccine didn't stop contagion.

No I didn't. That's not my quote.

If you would have read the my comments in the first place, you wouldn't have been wrong with your initial belief that I said that.

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I thought the vaccine didn't stop contagion.

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Is it really safe?

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I thought the vaccine didn't stop contagion.

That's the problem with making assumptions instead of reading up on facts. You get stuff flat wrong. Maybe try reading what the scientists say next time, and you can avoid that mistake.

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