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It is now known that age causes little difference in the efficacy or safety of the vaccine.

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Taro Kono, minister in charge of Japan's coronavirus vaccination rollout. He said school children aged 12 to 15 will be vaccinated during the summer break so they can return to school without worries about coronavirus infections

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Wow. This is completely false. Young people are at higher risk from the vaccine, and lower risk from Covid. Especially when one considers the unknown long term risks of the mRNA vaccine (and its limited effectiveness, we now know), the risk-reward is very bad for kids whose bodies are still developing and who may hope to have children one day.

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commanteerToday 07:18 am JST

Wow. This is completely false. Young people are at higher risk from the vaccine, and lower risk from Covid. Especially when one considers the unknown long term risks of the mRNA vaccine (and its limited effectiveness, we now know), the risk-reward is very bad for kids whose bodies are still developing and who may hope to have children one day.

A disaster coming !

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Wow. This is completely false. Young people are at higher risk from the vaccine, and lower risk from Covid. Especially when one considers the unknown long term risks of the mRNA vaccine (and its limited effectiveness, we now know), the risk-reward is very bad for kids whose bodies are still developing and who may hope to have children one day.

Eveyr sentence in this post contains a misinformation.

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Daily Mail today.

CDC advisory group says there is a likely link between COVID-19 vaccines and rare heart inflammation in young adults after nearly 500 reported cases. ------------------------------

Note- likely link and rare heart inflammation ! Don't worry, it's only about 500 cases.

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The statement by Kono is correct. He is talking about efficacy (the ability of the vaccine to reduce the severity of illness) rather than risk.

From a risk perspective vic's post is correct. There is certainly a correlation between the vaccine and myocarditis in young people. I have advised my son not to get vaccinated until this is dispositioned and I believe vaccinations of people up to 30 should be suspended until this is settled. Even the WHO is now not recommending vaccination for those 30 and below. An article about the heart inflammation is below.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/23/cdc-reports-more-than-1200-cases-of-rare-heart-inflammation-after-covid-vaccine-shots.html

Also, the CDC has not approved the vaccines and they are only authorized for emergency use. There should be no mandates of an unapproved vaccine.

I am considering the Pfizer vaccine when it is available to me here in Japan. Based on my research I am not interested in the other vaccines.

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Eveyr sentence in this post contains a misinformation.

Dear, dear.... You need to clean up your sentences and provide some evidence. Fully vaccinated people are dying from the Delta variety of covid. The mRNA vaccine is not fully tested, especially for long-term effects - and this is according to the person who invented it. And myocarditis appears to be a risk. All this information is available, and I think your English is good enough to digest most of it.

From a risk perspective vic's post is correct. There is certainly a correlation between the vaccine and myocarditis in young people. I have advised my son not to get vaccinated

I assume you meant Vic's quote from my post. We have advised our kids the same way. I got the Pfizer vaccine, but had mixed feelings about the risk/reward ratio. But for much younger people, especially kids, the risk far outweighs the reward

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Wow. This is completely false. Young people are at higher risk from the vaccine

How about a reference that prove the higher risk is above "little difference"?

There is absolutely no data to indicate any kind of repercussions on development or fertility from the vaccine, on the other hand viral infections have been known to affect those, the argument would work much more for vaccination than against it.

Note- likely link and rare heart inflammation ! Don't worry, it's only about 500 cases.

How about comparing it with negative side effects from the infection? in the same number of infected people of the same age group do people have more or less than 500 cases of health problems of the same degree?

The mRNA vaccine is not fully tested, especially for long-term effects 

The technology have been used for many more years than COVID, this is also another argument that would make vaccination preferable.

Of course people can be careful and decide (preferably with the help of a health care professional) if the members of their family should be or not vaccinated and with what vaccine, but blindly assuming that the COVID infection has no long term or even permanent problems yet to be identified (and because of it only the acute problems of COVID should be taking into account) is not rational. Viral infections can promote chronic inflammatory problems, autoimmunity, predispose to cancer, etc. etc. many years after the infection, so this is also something that have to be taken into account.

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Commanteer is just quoting latest findings from CDC and WHO and several studies in countries like Norway. Not sure why some are calling it misinformation

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Let people keep informed of, assess risks of vaccination AND covid infections with regard to age (in my better understanding, biological age and health conditions for individuals).

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It doesn't make any sense to vaccinate kids if they are healthy. So far, no children have yet died or suffered serious effects from Covid19, after over 83,000 confirmed infections.

But the mRNA vaccines have been shown to rapidly leave the injection site and spread throughout the body, with the lipid nanoparticles accumulating in various organs (brain, ovaries, spleen....).

Anyone considering getting the vaccine, or giving it to their kids, please check this out first:

https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/2021-06-15-Children-and-COVID-19-Vaccines-full-guide_-FINAL.pdf

It contains some Pfizer data that was obtained by a freedom of information request from the Japanese regulators.

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Does? Does not?

Please make up your mind.

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It doesn't make any sense to vaccinate kids if they are healthy. So far, no children have yet died or suffered serious effects from Covid19, after over 83,000 confirmed infections.

In countries with much better collected data there are definitely children that have died because of the infection, and there are vulnerable children for whom the infection do mean extremely high risks of permanent problems and even death, for the parents of those children it makes perfect sense to protect them with a safe and effective vaccine, they should be given the option to do it.

But the mRNA vaccines have been shown to rapidly leave the injection site and spread throughout the body, with the lipid nanoparticles accumulating in various organs (brain, ovaries, spleen....).

Again, that is false, a product of a completely misrepresented document with data on mice being inoculated precisely to have this happening, something not observed on human vaccination (and specially never to the degree observed in the natural infection with even replicating viruses being found in the tissues of the body).

If you already know your source is fraudulent, why keep using it? is it that you consider using false information a valid tool to convince other people?

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-safe/fact-check-no-evidence-spike-proteins-from-covid-19-vaccines-are-toxic-idUSL2N2NX1J6

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virusrex = disinformation

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If you already know your source is fraudulent, why keep using it? is it that you consider using false information a valid tool to convince other people?

He is repeating what the inventor of the vaccine has said. I'd say that's a better source than a "fact check" by some pretend journalist at Reuters.

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It doesn't make any sense to vaccinate kids if they are healthy. So far, no children have yet died or suffered serious effects from Covid19, after over 83,000 confirmed infections.

In countries with much better collected data there are definitely children that have died because of the infection

Those countries were likely also countries where childhood obesity is a major problem and where hospitals have a huge financial incentive to label deaths as covid deaths.

Fact is, there is no evidence of any child dying from Covid19 or suffering serious effects from covid in Japan.

... and there are vulnerable children for whom the infection do mean extremely high risks of permanent problems and even death, for the parents of those children it makes perfect sense to protect them with a safe and effective vaccine

That’s why I always make sure to include “if they are healthy”. If they are not, then the parents might want to consider vaccination, but I still think there are better alternatives.

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But the mRNA vaccines have been shown to rapidly leave the injection site and spread throughout the body, with the lipid nanoparticles accumulating in various organs (brain, ovaries, spleen....).

Again, that is false, a product of a completely misrepresented document with data on mice being inoculated precisely to have this happening...

Certain things can only be tested in animals. But according to this mRNA technology, Robert Malone, the mRNA technology was being developed for applications that specifically took advantage of its ability to spread across the body and cross the brain blood barrier. It is not unexpected.

, something not observed on human vaccination

That is completely false. The report I linked to also discusses a peer-reviewed scientific paper of a study that followed 13 healthcare workers after receiving the Moderna vaccine (another mRNA vaccine). The spike protein could be found in the circulation in 3 out of the 13 people, while the portion of the spike protein that binds to ACE2 receptor could be found in the circulation in 11 out of the 13 people.

Ogata, A.F. et al. Circulating SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Antigen Detected in the Plasma of mRNA-1273 Vaccine Recipients. Clinical Infectious Diseases (2021).

Others have posted about this study on JT before, you shouldn't automatically discount studies that do not agree with your narrative...

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virusrex = disinformation

The last resource for people that don't like when someone proves something they believed is actually false is to simply attack the person, as if that would make the evidence provided magically false.

He is repeating what the inventor of the vaccine has said. I'd say that's a better source than a "fact check" by some pretend journalist at Reuters.

That would be wrong, in science it is not important who says anything but what evidence he has to say it, the coauthor of the article have clearly said that the data from the paper do not support the invalid conclusion being peddled by the antivaxxers and the source have exactly zero evidence that proves any kind of toxicity. It may be difficult to understand for people that think whatever "big" people becomes dogma, but in science without data means without importance.

Those countries were likely also countries where childhood obesity is a major problem and where hospitals have a huge financial incentive to label deaths as covid deaths.

Imaginations are not valid arguments, you need to provide the data that proves what you are saying or accept it can simply be wrong. This would be like saying that the patients where any negative effects from the vaccines were likely to be sick of other things or morbidly obese, would that prove that vaccines are safe then for anybody else? or would it be just imaginary reasons without proof?

Fact is, there is no evidence of any child dying from Covid19 or suffering serious effects from covid in Japan.

Fact is, there is no evidence of any child dying or suffering serious effects from the vaccine in Japan. I mean, if for you having terribly deficient amount of data is of no importance this would be a valid conclusion. There is no country where the vaccine have caused more deaths or other heavy complications than the infection, even on children,

That’s why I always make sure to include “if they are healthy”. If they are not, then the parents might want to consider vaccination, but I still think there are better alternatives.

How does that change the fact that you insist on using debunked or misleading information to make your point? Anybody can chose not to vaccinate, that is their decision, but trying to make an argument based on something false to make it seem as if refusing was objectively better is not valid.

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Certain things can only be tested in animals. But according to this mRNA technology, Robert Malone, the mRNA technology was being developed for applications that specifically took advantage of its ability to spread across the body and cross the brain blood barrier. It is not unexpected.

When the purpose is to distribute it in the body the IM application is not used, and the amount is also completely different. It has also being used to transfect cells locally for anticancer purposes so it has never been something designed exclusively to be distributed around the body (or even mainly, because it is not specially effective for this purpose).

That is completely false.

The text I quoted says explicitly that the protein is accumulating in different organs at detectable levels, your reference says no such thing. Mischaracterizing the article indicates very strongly that you have no real source to conclude what you keep repeating. One thing is that the mRNA can be detected in blood (same with everything else that is delivered by IM route) another completely different is that this is enough to make the protein accumulate in tissues and even more to cause any kind of toxicity.

If that were the case the asymptomatic infection, that curses also with live virus disseminating and replicating around the body, would be impossible to observe.

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He is repeating what the inventor of the vaccine has said. I'd say that's a better source than a "fact check" by some pretend journalist at Reuters.

That would be wrong, in science it is not important who says anything but what evidence he has to say it,

Exactly, and the “proof” you use to refute the experts is a Reuters article. The article simply refers to a Meedan’s Healthdesk article that doesn’t offer any proof other than saying there is no proof that the spike protein is toxic. Looking into the Healthdesk, we see that it is funded by Google, Facebook, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (heavily invested in pharma),….

Imaginations are not valid arguments, you need to provide the data that proves what you are saying or accept it can simply be wrong.

Exactly, so when I write (based on official government data) that "there is no evidence of any child dying from Covid19 or suffering serious effects from covid in Japan" you can't just say this is wrong without providing any proof, otherwise it's just your imagination.

Fact is, there is no evidence of any child dying or suffering serious effects from the vaccine in Japan.

Brilliant! But, as I wrote, there have been over 83,000 confirmed infections among the below 20 year olds in Japan. Probably many more have been infected, but not confirmed. So zero deaths/serious effects out of   83,000.

Anyway, I found another version of the Reuters “fact check”. It says pretty much the same thing as the one you linked to, but this version still has the video of Robert Malone that I previously mentioned but which has been deleted by YouTube. So please check it out while you can (I highly recommend it):

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic-idUSL2N2O01XP

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What does DR Fauci say on this? He is, after all, the oracle.

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What does DR Fauci say on this? He is, after all, the oracle.

What he says publicly, or what he says privately among colleagues (accomplices)?

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Exactly, and the “proof” you use to refute the experts is a Reuters article. 

No, not the reuters article but the opinions of experts that are written there, including the coauthor that clearly express how the data from the article was deformed out of any semblance of science or those that accurately say there is no data whatsoever to point out to toxicity from the protein, so the conclusions are obviously invalid. You know, the kind of arguments nobody has been able to refute. Not you, not Malone.

Brilliant! But, as I wrote, there have been over 83,000 confirmed infections among the below 20 year olds in Japan. Probably many more have been infected, but not confirmed. So zero deaths/serious effects out of 83,000.

So what? according to you not having any death in children from COVID vaccinations is enough to prove them safe, since lack of the necessary data is not a problem according to you. Specially because you have also zero data on children with conditions that would increase the risk for COVID, so you can't say they can survive the disease either.

So, once again you have no proof whatsoever that the vaccines are more dangerous than the disease, not even on children. While other countries where the data is much better the same is also true, no complications nor deaths at the levels observed with COVID.

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https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/2021-06-15-Children-and-COVID-19-Vaccines-full-guide_-FINAL.pdf

Interesting read and thanks for sharing. I would agree that whoever is right, we need to follow-up meticulously on the safety of the new vaccines and adjust strategy accordingly.

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 in science it is not important who says anything but what evidence he has to say it,

In life, it's the other way round. Most people don't have the time to study these subjects in depth - so for any number of such complex subjects we rely on specialists who have studied them. So, yeah, it is important who says what. The inventor of a vaccine obviously has more credibility on the subject of the vaccine he invented than most other experts (and all other non-experts).

No, not the reuters article but the opinions of experts that are written there, including the coauthor that clearly express how the data from the article was deformed out of any semblance of science

It's "not important who says anything" but here you are citing the opinions of unnamed experts without presenting the evidence. See my point? Presumably, you have studied these subjects yourself - you seem to imply as much. Even if that's true, you are still just expressing an opinion that contradicts the opinions of other, more recognizable and verifiable, experts.

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That’s only ‘known’ by him. lol The differences are quite massive , and btw not only those about age, but also some others.

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Eveyr sentence in this post contains a misinformation.

Not according to the new DATA that’s out, as you say, follow the science. I absolutely would never allow my kids to get injected with that, now more than ever.

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In life, it's the other way round.

And that is wrong. and a terribly bad excuse to defend a baseless conclusion that can be proved false with actual scientific data. If the point is an appeal to authority then the scientific consensus is the one that would be the best reference with the best credibility.

As long as someone can prove with data that someone is wrong then it is invalid to refer to its "credibility" and people would be mistaken by doing that.

It's "not important who says anything" but here you are citing the opinions of unnamed experts without presenting the evidence

No, they are not unnamed and the evidence is there written for anybody to check, you would know if you at least read the reference we are talking about. If the argument is that one person have no evidence to conclude something precisely the fact that this evidence is nowhere to be found is what proves the argument right.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-safe/fact-check-no-evidence-spike-proteins-from-covid-19-vaccines-are-toxic-idUSL2N2NX1J6

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Taro Kono, minister in charge of Japan's coronavirus vaccination rollout. He said

I stopped reading after that. Anything he says is a joke.

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As expected the local antivaxxers are in full "think about the children" mode today, I guess it is good that at least they are not bringing the vaers or sad videos of children that died because of the vaccine... even if they were of an age that could not have been vaccinated in the first place.

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It is now known that age causes little difference in the efficacy or safety of the vaccine.

Well let's see what WHO says about Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine from 12 to 15 :

"WHO does not recommend vaccination of children below 16 years of age, even if they belong to a high-risk group."

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-can-take-the-pfizer-biontech-covid-19--vaccine

Who should not take the vaccine?

People with a history of severe allergic reaction to any component of the vaccine should not take it.

The vaccine has only been tested in children above 16 years of age. Therefore, at this time, WHO does not recommend vaccination of children below 16 years of age, even if they belong to a high-risk group.

Does it prevent infection and transmission?

There is currently no substantive data are available related to impact of Pfizer BioNTech vaccine on transmission or viral shedding.

In the meantime, we must maintain and strengthen public health measures that work: masking, physical distancing, handwashing, respiratory and cough hygiene, avoiding crowds, and ensuring good ventilation

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"WHO does not recommend vaccination of children below 16 years of age, even if they belong to a high-risk group."

Many people who aren't so intelligent think this means the WHO is saying that they recommend children DON'T get the vaccines. These people are too stupid to understand that scientists are not going to recommend something until they are sure that is the better course of action. As long as there has not been enough research to know whether there is more risk for children in not taking it vs taking it, they won't make a recommendation to take it.

People with a history of severe allergic reaction to any component of the vaccine should not take it.

Whereas here there recommendation is to NOT take it, due to having enough information to have determined the risk for that group is larger than the risk of not taking the vaccine.

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Thanks for all the information guys read it all and concluded it is safe enough for me and my family to take the vaccine.

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As long as someone can prove with data that someone is wrong then it is invalid to refer to its "credibility" and people would be mistaken by doing that.

But you cannot prove something that hasn't been tested yet. You have to test it first. And the inventor of the vaccine was making that point - it's not well tested yet and the media/government team should be honest about that with people so that they can make informed decisions for their families.

Simply saying "it's proven safe" is a lie.

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