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An Immigration Services Agency of Japan spokesperson. The agency said detainees are treated in accordance with the lifestyle of their home country but no rule is in place for the content of meals served at detention centers across the country, despite calls to serve Muslim detainees halal food.

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Neither should they be. This is Japan. If you want Halal food in detention then go break laws in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

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How about gluten free? Vegan?

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Reply to @Mr Kipling,

No Muslim should ever be given Haram food even if they "broke laws".

And what I understand from your saying is that "only Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have halal food." No, You're totally wrong, There are a lot of Muslim countries that have Halal food.

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Maybe the Muslim Community Centres in large cities could provide Halal food.

I would of thought it depends on how hungry you get when refusing food.

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I got an idea. Why not deport them all so they can enjoy whatever food in their lovely homeland ?

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Do they have WiFi and internet access? I like to play online chess while doing my time.

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Neither should they be. This is Japan. If you want Halal food in detention then go break laws in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

And Japan protects the freedom of religion. Detainees have rights too. The UN's Basic Principles for the Treatment of Prisoners also recognises that protection.

By detaining a person (instead of paroling or deporting them) you are restricting their ability to provide for themselves and so you must assume that responsibility. If, on the outside, their diet would be subject to certain religion-based restrictions, you have to respect that.

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It seems that most chicken sold in Japan is Halal. Check the 2kg packs of imported chicken. The exporting countries such as Brasil export chicken to many different markets and for that reason produce Halal chicken as it can sell in both Muslim and non-Muslim markets.

I do not know the Halal requirement for fish, but vegetables should be OK.

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MOlka....

And what I understand from your saying is that "only Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have halal food."

Then you misunderstood. Those are just two example of where criminals will get halal food in detention.

I wonder how many Muslim countries serve those in detention "special" meals?

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I wonder how many Muslim countries serve those in detention "special" meals?

The question isn't 'do' they, but 'should' they. What do you think?

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The following is just one of several rules required for preparing Halal food.

Animals must be slaughtered in accordance with Islamic Law. Halal animals are slaughtered to express respect to them and to thank Allah for the gift of providing clean and healthy food. The act of slaughtering must assure the animal suffers as minimal pain as possible. The slaughterer must be an adult Muslim.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/halal-food-preparation.html

Good luck getting that done in Japan! This ain't western Europe, folks.

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Better not get arrested then, looks like you won’t have to worry how much time they give you.

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Muslims and Jews have similar (practically identical) dietary laws. From what I know, a Jewish person who can only get otherwise forbidden food is allowed to eat just enough to sustain him or herself and no more. Likely this is the same for Muslims.

That said, there is nothing exotic about the food Jews and Muslims are allowed to eat. Thus, it should not be a problem to get the religiously proper food for Muslims, Jews and others.

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Animals must be slaughtered in accordance with Islamic Law

Lolll. This is not about how animals are prepared. To be halal compliant you must BUY a certificate. If you sell potato chips at supermarket you pay. If you run a restaurant you pay. One flavor of chips is one certificate. One item in the menu is one certificate. And it has to be renewed every year. And if you don't pay ? You will get negative certificate, that is your products are declared HARAM. Then you lose your business. Maybe even get imprisoned. It's that biggest shake down ring ever.

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Good luck getting that done in Japan! This ain't western Europe, folks.

There are approximately 250,000 Muslims in Japan. Halal food is available. You can even order it online.

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Based on the data from 2016, there are currently approximately 120,000 overseas Muslims and 10,000 Japanese Muslims living in Japan. Although most Muslims in Japan lives in the three major metropolitan areas (Greater Tokyo Area, Chukyo Metropolitan Area and Kinki Region), the Muslim network has never ceased expanding throughout Japan.

https://www.waseda.jp/top/en/news/53405

The number of Muslims living in Japan, though small, has more than doubled in the past decade, from 110,000 in 2010 to 230,000 at the end of 2019 (including as many as 50,000 Japanese converts), according to Tanada Hirofumi of Waseda University. The country boasts more than 110 mosques.

https://www.economist.com/asia/2021/01/07/the-number-of-muslims-in-japan-is-growing-fast

The numbers inceased from 120,000 (2016) to 230,00 (2019). Almost the double.

Prison inmates with religious needs should receive the food they can eat.

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It’s immigration detention, not religious detention.

There is no reason the government should pay money (our tax dollars) to Muslim religious organizations for their official stamp of approval.

If the kind of food you want is of paramount concern, voluntarily deport and fight your Japanese visa status from abroad.

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Our constitution supports and protects religious freedom. Muslim prisoners should be able to worship and eat the foods required by their religion. The cost of giving Halal food does not have to be more than the other food.

"Meals are served three times a day and are strictly rationed based on prison calorie standards. These standards are calculated according to each inmate’s gender, health condition, height (but not weight) and nature of their assigned work in the prison."

"Meals are often considered insufficient and are regularly the cause of prisoner weight loss. Meals are usually based on rice with barley, some root vegetables and small amounts of fish or meat. Foreigners can opt for bread instead of rice."

"Medical needs are considered by prison administration on a case-by-case basis, but must be authorized by a prison doctor. Inmates must submit a request for an allergy test if required. Most prisons can accommodate Muslim or Hindu eating requirements, however, religious preferences should be declared upon admission to the prison."

https://www.prison-insider.com/countryprofile/prisonsinjapan-2019?s=conditions-materielles#conditions-materielles

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Jeans and T-Shirt..

The question isn't 'do' they, but 'should' they. What do you think?

I think all these dietary restrictions are part of the mind control religions put on their subjects. So, no they shouldn't be served anywhere.

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Don't break the law in Japan as a muslim, if you don't want to be fed 'forbidden foods', period.

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I think all these dietary restrictions are part of the mind control religions put on their subjects. So, no they shouldn't be served anywhere.

Well, that's a different discussion, but thanks for the response. I'm not a religious person myself, but I think people are entitled to their beliefs. After all, if you don't stand up for the rights of others, how can you expect them for yourself?

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Jews and Muslims of course can eat other foods when their own is unavailable.

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And? So what? You think if I’m locked up in a Muslim prison they would serve me a fried pork sandwich? They would look at me like I’m crazy. I’m in their country and I eat what they have, that’s it and if I don’t like it, then I shouldn’t put myself in criminal jeopardy to risk my freedom where I would be subjected to eating their food.

Don’t complain and don’t demand, keep your nose clean, follow the rules and laws and will never have to worry about violating your religious dietary laws and if you do get locked up then you eat what they have, you won’t die, and you’ll be fine.

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And? So what? You think if I’m locked up in a Muslim prison they would serve me a fried pork sandwich?

Does your religion dictate that you eat fried pork sandwiches? They probably wouldn't serve you fillet mignon in demi-glace sauce with potatoes fondantes either. They're prisons, not restaurants.

Don’t complain and don’t demand, keep your nose clean, follow the rules and laws and will never have to worry about violating your religious dietary laws and if you do get locked up then you eat what they have, you won’t die, and you’ll be fine.

Why don't you believe in human rights? Also, not every one in detention deserves to be there. There's false imprisonment, political prisoners, POWs, pre and mid-trial detention when you are presumed innocent, for example.

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I believe that Halal only refers to meet. If the meat is not prepared to their liking then there is always fish, vegetables and soup. There is no need to prepare Halal-certified meat.

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bass4funk

so all the people in prison are guilty and what of those are in detention. Meals in prison is usually fish or sometimes chicken never pork.

Your own country provides religious meals to prisoners requesting them.

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there is always fish, vegetables and soup.

As long as it can be proven that it:

2.1.1 does not consist of or contain anything which is considered to be unlawful according to Islamic Law;

2.1.2 has not been prepared, processed, transported or stored using any appliance or facility that was not free from anything unlawful according to Islamic Law; and

2.1.3 has not in the course of preparation, processing, transportation or storage been in direct contact with any food that fails to satisfy 2.1.1 and 2.1.2 above.

https://www.fao.org/3/y2770e/y2770e08.htm

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Most people here don't even know what vegetarian means, so good luck with that.

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Nobody should be served halal food.

The slaughter process is brutal and causing unnecessary pain and suffering. Just look it up yourself on YT.

Religious beliefs should not come before animal welfare. and compassion.

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Religious beliefs should not come before animal welfare. and compassion.

So, do you think vegetarians or vegans have the right to be given access to appropriate foods while detained?

(Of course I recognise that they could possibly push meat to the side of their plate or whatever, but being served meat in the first place is still a violation of their beliefs)

And disclosure, I'm not sure if those beliefs enjoy the same protection as religious ones in the eyes of the law.

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Does your religion dictate that you eat fried pork sandwiches? They probably wouldn't serve you fillet mignon in demi-glace sauce with potatoes fondantes either. They're prisons, not restaurants. 

You are making my point for me.

Why don't you believe in human rights?

I do, until you break the law.

Also, not every one in detention deserves to be there. There's false imprisonment, political prisoners, POWs, pre and mid-trial detention when you are presumed innocent, for example

Then you have to work through the proper channels to get out or to prove your innocence or whatever bureaucratic legal hurdles you have to deal with to get out if that’s the case.

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so all the people in prison are guilty

Not every single one, but most and by the way, I’m not talking about innocent people, so to even trying to imply innocent people in this conversation when I was specifically talking about criminals is a bit sneaky.

and what of those are in detention. Meals in prison is usually fish or sometimes chicken never pork. 

Whatever, eat or don’t eat.

Your own country provides religious meals to prisoners requesting them.

And? Doesn’t mean I think that it’s right. I think sometimes in my country we give criminals too many rights.

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You get what you're given if you break the law

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You are making my point for me.

How? I'll explain my rationale, so please return the favour. And please answer the question, Does your religion dictate that you eat fried pork sandwiches?

In a restaurant you can pick and choose what you want from a menu. You could ask that the chef specially prepare you something but they are under no obligation to, although it's in their best interests to try and cater to the customer's needs and preferences of course. I mean, there's no legal requirement that a restaurant caters to vegans or vegetarians but they'd be alienating a lot of potential customers if they didn't. However, if a restaurant does not have options that are suitable to your dietary desires or requirements, then you are free to take your business elsewhere. Detainees don't have that freedom, therefore it's incumbent on the facility to provide suitable meals in the case of religion-based requirements. 

I do, until you break the law.

I wish people wouldn't break the law too. But I still believe those that do still have some rights.

Then you have to work through the proper channels to get out or to prove your innocence or whatever bureaucratic legal hurdles you have to deal with to get out if that’s the case.

And in the meantime, have your human rights stripped from you. Again, why don't you believe in human rights?

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Detainees don't have that freedom, therefore it's incumbent on the facility to provide suitable meals in the case of religion-based requirements. 

I disagree, I believe once you commit a crime and you are in the penal system then you are subject to its rules and regulations and whatever dietary laws that they have and you have forfeited your rights of someone that has now been convicted of a crime, you should not be mistreated, you should not be harmed, but that’s it.

I wish people wouldn't break the law too. But I still believe those that do still have some rights.

Well, we we’ll just have to agree to disagree. When you have someone that murdered someone’s family and their relatives have to now live with the fact that their loved one is not coming back and the person that killed their family member is sitting in the prison and eating three square meals a day and having the choice of food that they want, wouldn’t sit well with most people, I think like that.

And in the meantime, have your human rights stripped from you. Again, why don't you believe in human rights?

again, you should not be mistreated, you should not be abused, you should not be neglected, but I don’t think that anyone should have the right to ask for a certain dietary requirement unless it is medically necessary, then by all means, other than that you should get no preferential treatment when it comes to food, you should eat the same food as everyone else regardless of race or religion or ethnicity.

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Considering the scale of Buddhism in Japan and the fact that Buddhists often practise veganism, which is inclusive of Hinduism's vegetarianism, I wonder whether the centers would be accomodating of vegan food?

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No Muslim should ever be given Haram food even if they "broke laws".

The food served in Japanese prisons is not considered to be "forbidden" by the Japanese.

If Muslims are so concerned about the food they eat, then perhaps they should not break laws that get them prison time in Japan. They are not customers on a cruise ship where they can expect such "customs" to be catered for.

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If Muslims are so concerned about the food they eat, then perhaps they should not break laws that get them prison time in Japan. They are not customers on a cruise ship where they can expect such "customs" to be catered for.

Exactly!

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bass4funk

so foreign prisoners should not be allowed a Bible in case it is used as an offensive weapon which it is. Recent JT story about a prisoner who had his glasses taken away even though it would be considered a medical device to help him see. You think prisoners should have no civil or human rights. In your country that would usually cause a riot. Platitudes.

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It is not a restaurant, it is a detention center!!! If you have not committed a crime, you would be able to eat whatever you like. In a detention center, you eat whatever crap they serve you or go hungry and then they will force feed you with whatever crap they like!

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so foreign prisoners should not be allowed a Bible in case it is used as an offensive weapon which it is.

Depends on the country. Each country can decide what’s appropriate and what’s not.

Recent JT story about a prisoner who had his glasses taken away even though it would be considered a medical device to help him see. You think prisoners should have no civil or human rights. In your country that would usually cause a riot. Platitudes.

I never said that, do not put words in my mouth, what I am saying is when it comes to dietary laws, you eat what is given to you and what they have, you were not at a buffet where you can decide to give an order of what you like and what you don’t like, if you do have a medical condition of certain foods that you cannot eat, that is understandable and I am talking specifically about food I am not talking about other things such as reading glasses that is pretty much allowed in every nation regardless of religion or ethnicity, we were talking about food and as long as the person who gets to eat three meals a day and has enough to drink then the basic requirements of sustenance is reached. Again, if you’re not happy with that, don’t commit a crime. It’s that simple. Do you think the worlds prisons should all be like in Sweden or Finland? These places are more like luxury hotels, give me a break, prison is not supposed to be fun, it’s to punish and to re-form or re-educate people have committed a crime, It’s not Club Med.

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You still didn't answer my question, which means the answer is "no." So you are equating not being able to eat something that has nothing to do with your religion with being forced to eat something that is against your religion. It's far from the same thing.

I disagree, I believe once you commit a crime and you are in the penal system then you are subject to its rules and regulations and whatever dietary laws that they have and you have forfeited your rights of someone that has now been convicted of a crime, you should not be mistreated, you should not be harmed, but that’s it.

But freedom from mistreatment (which I would argue includes being forced to eat food that doesn't conform to your beliefs) and harm, are basic human rights, like freedom of speech and freedom of religion. I'm not sure that you can pick and choose which human rights apply to certain people. Either everyone has rights, or no one does. Protecting human rights is a standard to which you should hold your country, and similar ones. Particularly if you criticise other countries for not doing so.

When you have someone that murdered someone’s family and their relatives have to now live with the fact that their loved one is not coming back and the person that killed their family member is sitting in the prison and eating three square meals a day and having the choice of food that they want, wouldn’t sit well with most people, I think like that.

If you have to come up with such an extreme example to make a point, you don't have much of a point. What about someone in for three months for a drug possession charge? Strip them of all rights? A shoplifter? Drunk driver?

I am just talking about being in one country and going out of their way to prepare a meal for an individual or individuals that come from a different country or have a different religion,

Even if that country recognises their rights in their Constitution, or in their laws, or if they are signatories to proclamations from organisations such as the UN, for example? I'd also add that Islamic countries (and Islam itself) recognise that non-Muslim prisoners have the right to practice their religion. (Whether they protect those rights or not is another question.)

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bass4funk

Do you think prisoners should lose their freedom of religion protection in the constitution? What about Jews/Muslims only in detention they too should have no rights.

I remember when your country dropped millions of emergency rations on Kosovo with pork in them.

The loss of freedom is their punishment.

So you are alright with thousands of Uyghurs in Chinese prisons having zero rights?

Was it acceptable to you that foreigners could not return to Japan during the pandemic even though they had jobs and homes or universities? Our country and our rules.

We do not know how many Muslims are in prison. Very difficult to find figures but I suspect not so many because our prison numbers are 2.5% of those in your country.

Even in Gitmo prisoners have Halal food and the Quran.

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bass4funk,

again, you should not be mistreated, you should not be abused, you should not be neglected,

You just shouldn't be able to practise your religion. Rich, coming from a religious American. It must be noted that Japanese detention centres have been found to violate those rights also. Including the case of the Sri Lankan detainee who was denied medical treatment and died as a consequence.

According to information collected through interviews with lawyers and members of support groups, conditions for non-criminal foreigners detained in Japan are often harsher than those for criminal suspects. For example, in some cases detainees are never taken outdoors and have no opportunity to exercise. Rules are as strict as in other detention facilities, but language problems lead not only to detainees' increased sense of isolation, but to additional abuse as well. Thus, we were told that Chinese detainees tend to yell and make noise not knowing that this is strictly forbidden. As a result, there have been numerous reports of beatings in retaliation for disturbing order.

www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/JAPAN953.PDF

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bass4funk

When you have someone that murdered someone’s family and their relatives have to now live with the fact that their loved one is not coming back and the person that killed their family member is sitting in the prison and eating three square meals a day and having the choice of food that they want, wouldn’t sit well with most people, I think like that.

There are only about 100 people in prison for murder and they are on death row and live under different regulations than other prisoners.

No Japanese prisoner gets "three square meals a day". They just get enough to keep them alive.

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It is not a restaurant, it is a detention center!!!

Exactly!!! You have removed a person's freedom of choice and movement, therefore you need to treat them with basic human dignity. If their religious beliefs forbid them from eating certain foods, you shouldn't force them to. If they don't like the food offered at a restaurant they can walk away.

Do you think prisoners should be forced to convert to the country's dominant religion? Should atheists be subjected to involuntary religious education? They are both infringements on the freedom of religion, but you are arguing that that is acceptable.

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You still didn't answer my question, which means the answer is "no." So you are equating not being able to eat something that has nothing to do with your religion with being forced to eat something that is against your religion. It's far from the same thing.

No, I am saying when you are in prison you either eat what they give you or you don’t eat.

But freedom from mistreatment (which I would argue includes being forced to eat food that doesn't conform to your beliefs) and harm, are basic human rights, like freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

again, I don’t think it matters, prison is not designed to accommodate you or to make you feel better or to appease you, you were there for one reason and that is you have committed a crime and you are there to be rehabilitated and accept that fate

I'm not sure that you can pick and choose which human rights apply to certain people. Either everyone has rights, or no one does.

I will say it again, in prison you have the right to be treated as a human being, you have the right to be protected and abused and to serve out your time and you have the right to eat and drink and you should be able to have counsel if possible, other than that you don’t have any other rights to demand anything.

Protecting human rights is a standard to which you should hold your country, and similar ones. Particularly if you criticise other countries for not doing so.

I do and you’re conflating human rights with dietary laws. I have never criticized a country for the penal systems and what dietary laws they provide to their inmates, that is the least of my concerns, as long as they are allowed three meals a day.

If you have to come up with such an extreme example to make a point, you don't have much of a point.

Oh, I always do bet on that.

What about someone in for three months for a drug possession charge? Strip them of all rights? A shoplifter? Drunk driver? 

Then you do the time, simple. Look, I don’t have sympathy for people that do things they shouldn’t that is why I don’t have problems. I’m careful. I love smoking weed, but I won’t even risk it for a second on Japan because I know I could lose everything. So out of sight and out of mind.

Even if that country recognises their rights in their Constitution, or in their laws, or if they are signatories to proclamations from organisations such as the UN, for example? I'd also add that Islamic countries (and Islam itself) recognise that non-Muslim prisoners have the right to practice their religion. (Whether they protect those rights or not is another question.)

Well, then that depends on the country if they want to honor that, if they don’t and if a country says we don’t honor any particular religion, we just have always in certain ways of dealing with inmates equally, then that’s how it’s going to be, and just deal with it, not that hard to figure out.

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In a detention center, you eat whatever crap they serve you or go hungry and then they will force feed you with whatever crap they like!

So, rocks? Human excrement? Poisonous mushrooms and berries? A shoe?

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Do you think prisoners should lose their freedom of religion protection in the constitution? What about Jews/Muslims only in detention they too should have no rights.

I’m not saying that, but if you are in a country like Japan that is pretty much non-religious, now you’re telling the Japanese have to conform to your religious ideology in order to accommodate you, that seems nuts to me, and I will say it again that would never happen if you’re in a Muslim nation, they’re not gonna sit there and accommodate you for the most part especially when it comes to your dietary needs.

I remember when your country dropped millions of emergency rations on Kosovo with pork in them.

Ok and? It was food was it not?

The loss of freedom is their punishment.

So you are alright with thousands of Uyghurs in Chinese prisons having zero rights?

Go back and scroll what I wrote and slowly please for the answer again

Was it acceptable to you that foreigners could not return to Japan during the pandemic even though they had jobs and homes or universities? Our country and our rules.

You’re going off a tangent now….

We do not know how many Muslims are in prison. Very difficult to find figures but I suspect not so many because our prison numbers are 2.5% of those in your country.

Even in Gitmo prisoners have Halal food and the Quran

because that is the rule of the US government and not to mention we have Muslims as well as Jews and other religions residing in the US, so we have historically been culturally more of an understanding to various religions in the dietary laws, but the mini country that don’t and those countries are in now way obligated to have to change or adopt new dietary laws to accommodate inmates if they choose not to. Don’t get yourself caught up in the prison system or you don’t have to worry about it.

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So, rocks? Human excrement? Poisonous mushrooms and berries? A shoe?

Don’t even go there! Whatever the prison serve in Japan whatever the inmates eat in Japan that’s what everyone should eat that is incarcerated, so if it’s Ramen, then it’s Ramen if it’s tonkatsu then it’s tonkatsu!

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I will say it again, in prison you have the right to be treated as a human being

Sure. A human being with thoughts, opinions and beliefs. Rights.

you have the right to eat and drink

Not if the food and drink doesn't conform to your beliefs.

 I do and you’re conflating human rights with dietary laws

Dietary laws? What are those? And food really has little to do with it. It's freedom to exercise your religion. Should Christian prisoners be denied the ability to prey, attend religious rites, observe the Sabbath and whatever else?

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Don’t even go there! Whatever the prison serve in Japan whatever the inmates eat in Japan that’s what everyone should eat that is incarcerated, so if it’s Ramen, then it’s Ramen if it’s tonkatsu then it’s tonkatsu!

Okay, so you can force some detainees to eat things they don't want to, but not others.

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, I don’t think it matters, prison is not designed to accommodate you or to make you feel better or to appease you, you were there for one reason and that is you have committed a crime and you are there to be rehabilitated and accept that fate

Well that argument applies to freedom from mistreatment and harm then, also.

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Well, then that depends on the country if they want to honor that, if they don’t and if a country says we don’t honor any particular religion, we just have always in certain ways of dealing with inmates equally, then that’s how it’s going to be, and just deal with it, not that hard to figure out.

Japan recognises the freedom of religion in the Constitution, and is a member of the UN which also recognises that right, including for prisoners.

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Even in Gitmo prisoners have Halal food and the Quran

because that is the rule of the US government and not to mention we have Muslims as well as Jews and other religions residing in the US,

That applies to Japan as well. PLEASE make a point besides 'prisoners don't have rights.'. Repeating the same argument ten times doesn't make it right.

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Muslims have been living here since the 1700s.

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