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Since the central government lost a number of lawsuits related to side effects of vaccines in the past, both the country and pharmaceutical companies became negative toward developing vaccines, which has weakened the foundation for such efforts.

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Tetsuo Nakayama, a professor at Kitasato University specializing in clinical virology, commenting on why development of domestic coronavirus vaccines in Japan is so slow.

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This appears to be a complaint toward safety standards established for the purpose of public safety. This is why the West has warning labels on several over-the-counter medications stating that side effects can include "death". Stop complaining and trying to compete with the corruption coming out of the US. This is part of the reason why such a large percentage of people in Japan are reluctant to receive a vaccination for COVID-19. No one trusts US drug companies.

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Early Japanese medicines typically followed the same principles as Chinese medicines, with almost no side-effects but only mild positive effects, with a focus on maintaining harmony and restoring balance. The concept of tolerating some side-effects in return for strong positive healing effects took years to be accepted. Green Cross Corporation, with links to the notorious Unit 731 were also responsible for HIV contamination in blood products, eroding trust in both companies and the MOH who were supposed to regulate them.

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There is no money to made in creating vaccines.

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Vaccine development can be a profitable enterprise, but not in Japan where the government wins easy political points by inflating anything that seems to be a side-effect so it can intervene and cut all support so the people can see how they are "protected" by the authorities. The effect at the end is that more people will die because of this, but since the officials profited politically that is not important. It happened with the HPV vaccine (with studies showing thousands of extra deaths will happen because of this) and there is nothing that indicate it will be the last time.

Local companies would have to be crazy to invest the huge amounts of resources necessary only to be maligned by the officials at the first opportunity. The few companies interested in doing something have a much better future doing it overseas.

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I am glad Japanese officials have not been corrupted by pharmaceutical companies like in the west.

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I am glad Japanese officials have not been corrupted by pharmaceutical companies like in the west.

Because they play with lives by not approving safe and effective measures? what kind of person is glad more people die because of exaggerated invalid actions?

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Nobody knows how safe these vaccines are long term.

And as some have already mentioned on this forum, they hat not yet received FDA approval, other than for emergency use.

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Nobody knows how safe these vaccines are long term.

Irrelevant, it is already clear they are much safer in any term than the natural infection, that is enough to justify their use.

And as some have already mentioned on this forum, they hat not yet received FDA approval, other than for emergency use.

That has no importance either, they are approved for use in the general population by the PMDA, that means they are safe enough for mass immunizations and no information up to date can contradict that. Compared with the dangers of the infection and the cost of the preventive measures necessary to keep the spreading controlled it is unethical not to use the vaccines that are available.

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There is no money to made in creating vaccines.

... unless there is a special law that prevents big pharma from being liable for injuries/death.

Nobody knows how safe these vaccines are long term.

Irrelevant, it is already clear they are much safer in any term than the natural infection, that is enough to justify their use.

No it is not. Wick's Pencil is right, we do not yet know the long term effects.

The HPV vaccine was also considered safe and effective, and it received regular approval (not just for emergency use) and it turned out to be disastrous. Merck insiders and others explained how big pharma gets their vaccines and other products approved, through monetary incentives and aggressive campaigns to discredit anyone who opposes them.

And the warnings of the vaccine expert Geert Vanden Bossche should be taken seriously:

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

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Or Japan, both government and business cartels, lacks the ability and finances to develop a real medical industry on par with the West after the 1990s bubble collapse.

The blaming on people's trust is only a part of the story. The big story is due to the inability of continuing vaccine developments because of financial constraints and failure of Japanese education systems to create new scientists.

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 unless there is a special law that prevents big pharma from being liable for injuries/death.

First there is no such a law, as easily proved as the suspension of vaccination so easy to find in the media, that is a perfectly valid example of liability, that is enough to prove this wrong.

No it is not. Wick's Pencil is right, we do not yet know the long term effects.

Yes it is, where both of you are wrong is pretending that vaccines have to prove to be absolutely, perfectly safe forever. That is just a strawman, vaccines simply have to prove they are much safer than the infection, and in this case that is already clear, the risk of short, medium or long term problems is much higher for COVID simply because it has already been proved for the disease, and not for the vaccine.

The HPV vaccine was also considered safe and effective, and it received regular approval (not just for emergency use) and it turned out to be disastrous. 

That is false, the only disastrous thing that happened was the Japanese overreacted and caused literally thousands of excess of deaths because of lack of protection from cancer. The vaccine was and is safe and the supposed negative effects happenes in the same rates as unvaccinated people. That means they were not related to the vaccines.

And the warnings of the vaccine expert Geert Vanden Bossche should be taken seriously:

No, they should not, first he needs to use correct and true information, and stop making unbelievably basic mistakens, he has been completely debunked by the experts.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bossche

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unless there is a special law that prevents big pharma from being liable for injuries/death.

First there is no such a law, as easily proved as the suspension of vaccination so easy to find in the media, that is a perfectly valid example of liability, that is enough to prove this wrong.

We've been over this many times already; why do you keep on writing that.

Unlike with other medicines, vaccine makers are only liable if they KNOWINGLY hide information. So it's in their interest to know as little as possible about the vaccines.

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We've been over this many times already; why do you keep on writing that.

Because it is true, I know it disproves your mistaken information but you cannot expect people to stop telling the truth just because you don't like it.

Vaccine companies are liable of problems, they can be stopped from using the vaccine, they can be subjected to very heavy penalties and people responsible can even be jailed and trialed for problems with the vaccines. Knowingly hide information is only one kind of problem they can be held responsible for, can you prove with a reference it is the "only" fault they can have? that is not true.

If the vaccine produce problems that the manufacturers said they were free of they will be punished, even if nobody knew those problems would be caused. Suspension of immunization as it has happened with AstraZeneca is a very clear example of liability, you cannot pretend this have not happened, and nothing indicates the manufacturers knew the supposed problems would happen (specially because the problems were not real) still the vaccination was suspended.

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We've been over this many times already; why do you keep on writing that.

Because it is true, I know it disproves your mistaken information but you cannot expect people to stop telling the truth just because you don't like it.

The information I provided above and many times in previous threads is derived from the actual US government sites. If you look up National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act you will find:

"Provides that no vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death: (1) resulting from unavoidable side effects; or (2) solely due to the manufacturer's failure to provide direct warnings. Provides that a manufacturer may be held liable where: (1) such manufacturer engaged in the fraudulent or intentional withholding of information; or (2) such manufacturer failed to exercise due care. Permits punitive damages in such civil actions under certain circumstances."

How can you continue to just say I am wrong and provide some completely unrelated point as proof? You do that a lot!

First there is no such a law, as easily proved as the suspension of vaccination so easy to find in the media, that is a perfectly valid example of liability, that is enough to prove this wrong.

BTW, how does suspension of vaccination prove that there is no law against holding vaccine makers liable?

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Provides that no vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death:

Yes, that mention ONE single kind of liability that is absorbed by the government, that is a completely different thing that saying the pharmaceutical companies are completely free of all and every kind of liability like you said, that is a very important difference that make your argument false.

It should be easy to understand that out of the many different kinds of liability (suspension of permits, revocation, criminal charges, etc) only one is suspended.

If the vaccine produce problems that the manufacturers said they were free from they can be held liable, they will not need to defend from particulars but from the government, which is the one that is continuously evaluating the safety and efficacy of the vaccines, companies do not get any free ride. As easily to prove as the examples of suspensions of immunizations while investigating supposed negative effects, those are also liability that according to you they would be impossible to observe, not even you can pretend not to know that they have been used, thus proving your misinterpretation of the government information false.

If manufacturers of vaccines were completely free of liability by definition they could not be ever subjected to any kind of negative repercussion, including suspension of immunizations, investigations of problems coming from vaccinations or even suspension of contracts, they are also examples of liability that the companies are perfectly subjected to.

Maybe you need to investigate what is the meaning of the world liability, that may explain why you keep misunderstanding it

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Nobody knows how safe these vaccines are long term.

And as some have already mentioned on this forum, they hat not yet received FDA approval, other than for emergency use.

We ABSOLUTELY have no idea of the long term effects...and Pharma calls that science? More like Pharma Based Science to push their product(s).

Dr. Ryan Cole of Cole Diagnostics (17 years) in Idaho discusses the safety of the current COVID19 vaccines:

Mayo Clinic trained - Board Certified Pathologist - Board Certified in anatomic and clinical pathology.

Expertise in immunology, virology and subspecialty expertise in skin pathology.

Seen over 350,000 patients in his career - Done over 100,000 COVID tests since the beginning of COVID

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA-fTaGadyc&t=1357s (March 4th, 2021)

"What we're doing right now does not fall under the definition of a vaccine. They shifted the verbiage in some of the federal register back in October so they could approve this. So it was a sleight of hand to change the verbiage. What we have right now is an experimental, biological gene therapy, immune modulatory injection.

We are injecting people with a synthetic sequence of nucleic acid. We have never done this on a large scale in human history. mRNA trials in mammals have led to odd cancers. mRNA trials on mammals have led to autoimmune diseases...not right away 6-9-12 months later so this is...what we're doing right now are not approved vaccines.

And so everybody, how do you create demand? You create scarcity. Oh gosh we can't get a shot. We can't get a shot! Well it's a beautiful marketing ploy to be able to say "gosh, there's a low supply" so everybody wants it now. Well everybody may want it but the long-term safety data is not there 50% of health care providers are absolutely not getting this injection and that's a reason we don't trust the data. The fox guarded the hen house.

The companies did their own data there were no independent observer groups looking at the data. You know do the shots decrease severity of disease and hospitalization? Well they seem to be but they don't fall under the definition of creating pure immunity and preventing transmission. If you're immune after an injection why in the world would you still have to mask in social distance? That is an admission that they don't know that it's a vaccine and that's an absurdity. There's no long-term proven safety.

My biggest concern honestly just is antibody dependent enhancement reaction. You get a shot. You're fine... look it's preventing, this preventing that. I'm not anti-vaxx...tin foil hat...I've had lots of vaccines. My kids have had vaccines. That's fine but if you get a coronavirus shot historically SARS, MERS, animal coronaviruses you get a shot...when you're exposed to a wild-type variant of the virus 6-9-12 months later the immune system can go haywire and the SARS vaccine trials in the ferrets and the monkeys 100%, 100% of the animals when exposed to wild-type virus ended up with immune reaction (immune response went haywire resulting in death)."

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We ABSOLUTELY have no idea of the long term effects...and Pharma calls that science? More like Pharma Based Science to push their product(s).

You have no idea about it, but the experts do and the consensus is clear, there is no realistic possibility that the vaccines are ever going to have a comparable amount of side effects as the COVID infection.

Your source is terribly inadequate and speaks not only in absence of evidence but in spite of evidence that proves him wrong. I know that people that cannot disbelieve any conspiracy theory think authority means truth, but in reality evidence is the one that matters.

There are hundreds of trials with thousands and thousands of people being injected with synthetic nucleic acids for years without any reported problem specific for this, and the reason is simple, it is not anything important in comparison with the huge amount of viral RNA that is introduced into the cells, that is the real danger and what can produce problems, specially because some is made specifically for this purpose.

For all vaccines trials independent observers were able to examine the production and analysis of the data, and from the moment it was published literally hundreds or thousands of professionals expert in finding problems and suspicious things could examine it to their hearths desire, and no problem was found.

Antibody dependent enhancement would be much more important for the natural infection, but in more than one year of having millions of patients it has not been found. That alone is enough to prove this theory has not merit and no person that is actually looking for the safety of the public should be even considering something so easily disproved.

The part of the SARS virus and animals? pure fiction, completely false. I would recommend you to search for much more trustable sources of information, the same as when you wrote that the CDC retracted from its page the statement that vaccines are not related to autism, you are just repeating false information that groups trying to profit from misleading people are pushing around.

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@ neowave,

Thanks for the link to Dr. Cole's video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA-fTaGadyc&t=1357s)

An excellent and succinct video!

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Thanks for the link to Dr. Cole's video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA-fTaGadyc&t=1357s)

An excellent and succinct video!

You are very welcome @Raw Beer

Was hoping you would catch it! He has an incredible understanding of COVID data from the past year up until now...what is working, what is not working, what the studies around the world already show.

They invited him back for a 2nd discussion (March 18th, 2021) on COVID and do we really need COV19 injections for children?:

https://rumble.com/vf71zz-banned-by-youtube-dr.-ryan-cole-shatters-covid-myths-and-slams-the-experime.html

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Was hoping you would catch it! He has an incredible understanding of COVID data from the past year up until now...what is working, what is not working, what the studies around the world already show

Unfortunately he is only popular between conspiracy loons and antivaxxers for this deep disdain of evidence and logical thinking. In the scientific circles he is already thought of as a antiscientific failure because he is unable to disprove the huge amount of arguments that easily prove him wrong.

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There's been a lot of talk about vaccines, but has there been any improvement or breakthroughs in treatment of COVID symptoms?

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There's been a lot of talk about vaccines, but has there been any improvement or breakthroughs in treatment of COVID symptoms?

Overseas the focus is on antivirals and monoclonal antibodies as possible new therapeutics, and many old drugs that are active in vitro but that have not yet showed good results in human patients. Viral infections are not exactly the easiest to treat and that is why vaccines are always so important against them.

Of course none of this applies in Japan, the same reasons that make vaccine development a dead end for local companies also apply for drugs, endless red tape, impossible requirements and zero support just to begin human trials, it gets much worse if the companies actually want to put that drug on the market.

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