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Kazuko Kimura, a professor at Kanazawa University, saying that seven drugs not approved in Japan, including ivermectin, were being sold online as COVID-19 treatments.

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Even products that are not defective nor counterfeit increase the risk of health problems, there is a reason why a consultation with a doctor is necessary for these drugs to be used (for purposes where they actually are useful). All drugs have risks, but for valid treatments the benefit can outweigh those risks so a professional in health care makes sure this is the case.

As a treatment against COVID non-approved drugs like HCQ and ivermectin have shown no benefits according to properly controlled studies, that means people using them get the full risks of their use without any benefit.

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Poor headline. Counterfeit or defective products are not the same as unapproved drugs.

Genuine, non-defective ivermectin is used to treat parasitic infections in animals.

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Genuine, non-defective ivermectin is used to treat parasitic infections in animals.

It's also safely been used for humans for a variety of disorders. However, it hasn't shown to be effective against covid. Nevertheless, It was incorrect to characterize it only as a horse tranquilizer, as that was simply rhetoric by the far left, that ended up causing more divisiveness than anything. Medicines shouldn't be politicized, and it was irresponsible to do so, and to continue to do so.

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No need to buy Ivermectin online, a doctor will indeed prescribe it for oral use in the treatment for diagnosed intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis or as a topical ointment for head lice or rosacea and other similar conditions in humans. A doctor would not prescribe it for Covid19 as there are no benefits to taking it for such use. Period.

If you get duped into buying any counterfeit drugs online, then more the fool you.

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A doctor would not prescribe it for Covid19 as there are no benefits to taking it for such use.

In Japan, doctors do prescribe ivermectin to Covid patients. Here is one such doctor who appeared on Japanese TV a couple of months ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBrLTjodOUc

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In Japan, doctors do prescribe ivermectin to Covid patients. Here is one such doctor who appeared on Japanese TV a couple of months ago:

Ivermectin has not been approved for treatment for covid 19 by the Japanese government.

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No Raw Beer, That is not the case. It has not been approved for the treatment of Covid in any official capacity whatsoever. I would ask you to read this in full. It is an AP article. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-079183409501

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@ theResident

There is difference between an approved treatment for covid and allowing off-label use to treat covid. The Japanese Ministry of Health issued a statement a while back allowing the latter for IVM.

And a number of doctors are using it to treat covid. As far as I know, none of them got in trouble for doing so.

By censoring this information, more people will resort to the "counterfeit" version, which "may lead to health problems".

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And a number of doctors are using it to treat covid. As far as I know, none of them got in trouble for doing so.

A number of doctors treat common cold with antibiotics with the same amount of evidence that it works, zero. They don't get in any trouble either, but better prepared (or more ethical) collages consider this doing an inferior job.

Your commend do not provide evidence that ivermectin has any use, only that some doctors are not up to their professional duties and prescribe drugs for which there is no evidence of benefit, only risks.

By censoring this information, more people will resort to the "counterfeit" version, which "may lead to health problems".

On the contrary, by making sure people understand ivermecting have not been found useful, and that it has risks for the health for people using it, peole will not need to resort to any counterfeit, nor genuine ivermectin. This is the ethical choice of anybody working in public health, subjecting people to unnecessary risks because of an imaginary benefit is unethical and should be punished as such.

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@Raw Beer. Did you read what I posted? You are totally mistaken.

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Also @Raw Beer. You seemed to be very confused between the Japanese Ministry of Health and the Tokyo Medical Association - just for good order.

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Also @Raw Beer. You seemed to be very confused between the Japanese Ministry of Health and the Tokyo Medical Association - just for good order.

No, I am not confused between the document sent country wide by the Ministry of Health in 2020 allowing off-label use of IVM and the press conference in August (?) 2021 where the chairman of the Tokyo Medical Association outlined the evidence of its effectiveness and issued a recommendation for its use to confront the spike in cases.

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Poor headline. Counterfeit or defective products ...

Indeed, counterfeit or defective gives the impression they are produced in someone's basement and sold in a dark alley. But we can buy them legally online and they go through customs openly. They are produced by legit Indian manufacturers of generic drugs. Of course, I would feel much safer using one prescribed by a doctor, but I think it is still better than having no treatment at all...

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Indeed, counterfeit or defective gives the impression they are produced in someone's basement and sold in a dark alley.

The article is focused on defective or counterfeit drugs as specially dangerous, so of course that is how they have to be referred to. People have all kinds of irrational beliefs, for example thinking that a doctor acting against the best professional practices and giving useless drugs with important side effects is somehow "good" or "safer". The best thing a doctor could do is to properly inform their patients that the drug they want to consume have dangers and no proven benefits so the patient would put his health at risk for no reason if they took it.

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what has been approved as of November 2021 was Remdesivir, Baricitinib, Casirivimab, and Sotrovimab.

Yes, I know that expensive treatments were rapidly approved, even when shown to be ineffective and dangerous (e.g. Remdesivir).

Thanks to regulatory capture, cheap treatments will not be approved.

"but but but dexamethasone......"

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Yes, I know that expensive treatments were rapidly approved, even when shown to be ineffective and dangerous (e.g. Remdesivir).

Even worse than that would be examples like HCQ and Ivermectin, that only bring risks without decreasing the risk of infection at all, cheap treatments that bring no benefit should not be approved, they are after all only increasing risks without giving any benefit.

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but but but dexamethasone

And yes, dexamethasone is an excellent example that disproves completely the conspiracy theory that cheap drugs would never be approved as effective treatment, because dexamethasone is as cheap as it can get, but still is used instead of alternatives that are thousands of times more expensive and very effectively. So yes, the humble steroid proves that cheap effective treatments were approved without problems when showing efficacy.

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