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After virus-hit Olympics, public split over future Games in Japan

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— Nearly two-thirds of Japanese public not opposed to hosting Olympics again (36.3%+ 27.7%)

—Nearly two-thirds of Japanese public not supportive of hosting Olympics again (36.0% + 27.7%)

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

this is hardly the time to give Japanese people a questionnaire about holding another Olympics, now is it.

15 ( +18 / -3 )

A bloated, overrated, waste of everyone’s time, give me the World Cup over an olympics every time..

6 ( +12 / -6 )

Political and commercial event "Tokyo 2020" deprived many medical workers from general citizen, it caused shortage of medical resource at society, many corona virus patients cannot even hospitalize, part of them have died one after another at home.

Corona virus new cases in Japan has rised rapidly from opening ceremony of Olympics.

About 100 thousands corona virus patients cannot yet hospitalize in whole Japan.

Besides, cost over 4 times of initial plan has still increased, nobody knows how much does total cost.

And, "typical Japan" that nobody takes responsibility will be repeated.

9 ( +16 / -7 )

Never again.

11 ( +16 / -5 )

I'm sure most Japanese citizens against holding Olympics in the future are due to the wasted tax money and not covid-like viruses.

10 ( +13 / -3 )

The spread of COVID-19 posed a daunting challenge to the organizers who ran the Olympics from July 23 to Aug 8 despite public opposition and concern that it would become a superspreader event. Foreign spectators were barred.

The recent data analysis suggests no direct link.

Tokyo Olympics Didn’t Worsen Covid-19 Spread, Data Suggest

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tokyo-olympics-didnt-worsen-covid-19-spread-data-suggest-11631700000

Rather than "safe & secure" public health issue, the local Japanese residents were angry and frustrated mostly because of Olympic exceptionalism and privilege at large expense of wider public interest and fair treatment.

9 ( +12 / -3 )

I did read that no host city has made money since Barcelona so there’s certainly no financial incentive to host it. Also, it’ll be decades till Japan gets another chance so what’s the point of this questionnaire now?

11 ( +13 / -2 )

We shouldn't make any effort or promotion to host another unless begged by the IOC. I'd also suggest games with zero yen public spending by the host city & country.

12 ( +13 / -1 )

Conduct the survey again after all the costs are tallied up and people find out how much they will be paying in taxes to cover this overblown dog and pony show, and ask them again when they see the stadiums and venues in their prefectures end up sucking up resources and money just to keep them viable. Check out last Saturday's TBS 報道特集, there was a good expose on this very topic.

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@Newgirlintown

"I did read that no host city has made money since Barcelona so there’s certainly no financial incentive to host it. Also, it’ll be decades till Japan gets another chance so what’s the point of this questionnaire now?"

Not decades; 9 years. Sapporo is the leading bidder for the 2030 Winter Olympics.

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Newgirlintown 07:24 am JST

I did read that no host city has made money since Barcelona so there’s certainly no financial incentive to host it. 

“As of 2016, Los Angeles is the only host city that realized a profit from the games, mostly because the required infrastructure already existed.”

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/092416/what-economic-impact-hosting-olympics.asp

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this is hardly the time to give Japanese people a questionnaire about holding another Olympics, now is it.

Sapporo has an active bid for the 2030 Winter Olympics and without Covid-19 would have been a likely winner. The 2032 Summer Olympics host has already been announced and it is likely Sapporo would have been announced too if not for Covid and a de facto "don't mention the Winter Olympics" protocol in force due to proposed boycotts of Beijing.

However, "safe and secure" the Tokyo Olympics were, they were still at least 250% overbudget, in a country with 29% seniors and 250% or whatever national debt to GDP. 250% overbudget is an epic fail.

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I'll bet any money that these respondents who said it was a good idea to hold the games, would have had a different answer if Japan hadn't outdid itself in the overall medals count.

THAT has a lot to do with how people think about the success or not of the games. That is my opinion.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

Just not worth it anymore....Just not as popular as it use to be

5 ( +7 / -2 )

Isn't the drama about the Olympics over yet?

Really? Asking people if they want the Olympics to be held again in the future? Like, after 60 years, when most of them will be dead anyways?

1 ( +3 / -2 )

Why does any of this matter now? It’s happened. Finished. Move on to other bad decisions made by the Japanese Government.

we know there’s an abundance of that

3 ( +4 / -1 )

It rarely matters what the public thinks. If some politician thinks about putting a bid-in, they'll first create an exploratory committee and then put a bid forward without any public say in the matter. Its all about corporate interest, not public.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

@dbsaiya

Thanks for the tip. Here's the link to the TV program.

https://cu.tbs.co.jp/episode/20093_2009516_1000009634

VERY informative and pretty much as expected...with actually some added bad news...

In a nutshell:

.bad planning as far as infrastructures of the Olympic sites do go and which maintenance generates much more additional costs than initially thought/planned

.post-Olympics usage revenue for the sites which (as usual) were far too optimistic

.expected decay of sites which are ultimately too expensive to maintain

.mind-blowing "intermediate" costs at all levels (I smell Dentsu all over the place, but ultimately it was most likely not only Dentsu...)

.expected active hiding of the costs by the persons in charge (not excluding "disappearance" / "destruction" of documents)

.expected lawsuits from sponsors to whom the moon was promised and who ended up with their noses smacked in the sand instead...

.expect costs to continue to rise in the future...

.a bonfire of taxpayers' money

TBH, even considering some Japanese environment "specificities" adding to this mess, when it comes to the Olympics, I guess it's pretty much business as usual everywhere...

At least the 58 Japanese athletes do have medals to frame and hang on their walls...

As far as the questionnaire-thingy goes, I wouldn't be surprised if the aim is to "calm the anxiety" of Sapporo who has (unfortunately) start to bid for the 2030 Winter Olympics...Wash, rince, repeat is expected...

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A private 'think tank' that's mission is to sway public opinion thru the use of onerous surveys - which most resembles propaganda. Over 80% of the public were opposed to the games and that figure was not mitigated by the arrival of the games - that was the posit of the IOC, once the games commenced there would be an outpouring of support among the populous and it did not happen.

Lacking evidence to the contrary, SARSCoV-2 did increase during the Games and within two weeks after its completion - look at the provided photograph for a clue and assess 'social distancing' among the crowd or crowded.

The Olympic games are a sybarite indulgence by a privileged set of the elite and a meaningless spectacle draped with all manner of nonsense - it is basically corporate and a tool for the likes of Nike, IOC, NBCUniversal and other profiteering entities in the sports entertainment and merchandising industries. The costs of the extravaganza are borne by the host nation, in this particular instance north of 25 billion dollars or 2.5 trillion yen.

The games more resemble gladiatorial contests than the ancient Greek games, with its pompa entering the arena, led by lictors bearing fasces and preparing to engage in contested rivalries by country with its attendant stagecraft, entertainment & bravado accompanied my an apropos soundtrack and further 'big name' entrainment in the form of a musical act. It is crass and vulgar and reflects the obvious mores of the 21st century - all intended to profit the IOC.

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Sapporo is the leading bidder for the 2030 Winter Olympics.

No surprises as there is pretty much no one else left with rocks in their heads to bid.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

You have to remember that as you age you are less likely to show interest in big events like the Olympics. Certainly not in attending them. Japan has an aging population. Those poll results expose the thinking of old people, "hey you, get off my lawn"! If the same poll were parsed into age groups you would see that most young and middle aged people (who would actually attend the Olympics) would be in favor.

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@gintonic

+1

If one looks up on Wiki the bidding processes for the upcoming summer and winter Olympics, one can see that most candidate cities bailed out, some out of (official) "financial concerns" but most seemingly due to public opposition.

If you add decreasing viewership, me think that the Olympics (at least in their current form) are on their way out and, yes: good riddance!

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Oh yeah one more thing. Japan probably won't get the Olympics for another 20 years so why even ask??

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

I thought 80% of Japanese citizens were opposed to the Olympics? Looks like Japan has fake polls, too.

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No way. Absolutely no back-up plan, no crisis management, over-engineered and ridiculously complicated to the point that when there was a problem, it was hard to solve it. And if I take into account that it would require building new stadiums again (although the existing ones are fully sufficient) and the construction would again be awarded to some shady, non-transparent company that would be connected to the yakuza and the money would be split between the company and the politicians, then no way. No way.

While Japan has shown that it is capable of organizing and hosting the Games, few people realize, and almost no one questions, at what cost.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

It went rather well, and everybody loves it.

The only thing I have complaint for is the ceremonies lacking in japanese culture.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

The article presupposes that the Japanese public have a say in the running of the country and the projects that are undertaken – they do not!

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

I thought 80% of Japanese citizens were opposed to the Olympics? Looks like Japan has fake polls, too.

Maybe you should read the articles with the poll figures themselves again

1 ( +2 / -1 )

Anyway, I hope the people who called for boycott of the Olympics remains steadfast in boycotting any and all future iterations

1 ( +2 / -1 )

Keep the games in Greece.

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i have skipped all of this Tokyo olympics thing,zero interest...still dunno how much will cost me personally to cover these unecessary spending for...nothing

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

Here's the link to the TV program.

https://cu.tbs.co.jp/episode/20093_2009516_1000009634

That's a really good report and well worth watching. I've been to the Nagano Spiral bobsleigh track. You can just walk in and talk a look. The path alongside the ever-rusting track is being promoted for "Nordic Walking", basically walking with hiking poles as a new-fangled form of low-impact exercise. The report talks in depth about problems at the white-elephant rowing facility, but the big one is the aquatics center that cost about half a billion USD to build and wasn't even needed in the first place. Japan's bid back in 2011 or whenever it was promised a compact, environmentally friendly games that would use existing facilities. This focus on whether x extra Covid 19 cases means it was "safe" or "secure" is largely irrelevant. The whole thing was nonstop lies and a massive waste of public money. It also ramped up construction costs and took away manpower, machines, and materials just as Tohoku was trying to rebuild.

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Just crunched some numbers out of curiosity to see what that money could have been worth to us in straight money terms. If each of us had received our share of that 2.5 trill that it says above it's going to cost Japan, and invested it at 6% interest for 30 years, it would have been worth Y160,000 after 30 years. So not a huge amount spread over the whole population, but in terms of holding up a sagging pension system, it would certainly have made a dent in the problem. Of course if you factor in that the population is going to be way lower in 30 years (projected at 100m), so each person could actually get a bigger share of the cake (Y200,000).

But I prefer to think of it in terms of social infrastructure, for example subsidised nursery places for children, home helper services or home meals services, or gyms for disabled people and old people. All freeing up carers to be economically active, allowing many more people to live a more comfortable and independent life for longer, keeping local communities out in the countryside afloat for longer and letting Japanese society down more gently.

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@kohakuebisu

...but the big one is the aquatics center that cost about half a billion USD to build and wasn't even needed in the first place. 

Yeah, The 水の森 thingy killed me. Plus the idea of using sea-water which ultimately created a maintenance nightmare of a money pit...

I think that the only thing one can do with these ultimately useless but explosive cost-generating installations is...razing them...

Yes, it would cost some (additional) money to do so but would put an final point to this eternal bonfire of taxpayers' money...What a waste...

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Tokyo Olympics is cursed - both times it tried to host the Olympics (1940 & 2020), both times something occurred that made it not happen those dates

1 ( +1 / -0 )

all this article does is give the anti-Olympics crowd one more platform to whine, whinge & complain

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Idiotic people crowding outside during a pandemic. Sad

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