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For Asian American women, Olympics reveal a harsh duality

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You can't compare Chloe Kim and Alyssa Liu with Eileen Gu.

Chloe and Alyssa are Americans, Eileen Gu isn't anymore.

Hence you can't group this Chinese citizen along with actual Asian Americans.

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... Also I'm pretty sure the males are in exactly the same boat and that this illiterate journalist could have written exactly the same article by writing "Asian-Americans" instead of "Asian-American women" but her cancel culture and feminist agenda just couldn't allow that to happen.

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She is not Asian-American but Chinese by nationality.

She basically pulled a Naomi Osaka. Why be only one of many successful athletes in the US when you can be the only one in China (Big Fish, Small Pond). Outside the major cities, China is still a third world country.

I say go ahead. She thinks she'll just continue living with mom in the US without much hassle and have all those Chinese adoring fans and lucrative contracts. Gu will soon learn that her influence and endorsements will be contingent on her towing the CCP propaganda line. If the CCP decides that she is bad for the image, the companies that have endorsement deals with her in China will not have access to Chinese markets until they drop her or discontinue her contract.

We will see how long before she applies for a green card by marrying an American or someone from another Western country to get another foreign citizenship.

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Lots of Asian change their first name to. an western name, which is not their birth name, that show somekind of insecurity on their part

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... Also I'm pretty sure the males are in exactly the same boat and that this illiterate journalist could have written exactly the same article by writing "Asian-Americans" instead of "Asian-American women" but her cancel culture and feminist agenda just couldn't allow that to happen.

Yes it's almost as if Sally Ho has a horse in the race.

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As harsh as reality undoubtedly is for many Asian Americans (from the US as well as China's rabid nationalist netizens), I don't remember reading much about the struggle of Japan's minorities last year. Everything's great if they're winning, but it's more acceptable to criticise issues elsewhere. Harsh duality indeed.

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@Yrral

I think especially speakers of tonal languages do it so that they don't have to deal with westerners mispronouncing their names.

Just like anyone moving to a Mandarin speaking country creates their own Chinese name.

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Honestly, she has not renounced her US citizenship just like Naomi Osaka has not. I do not believe all those 2nd and 3rd tier American and Canadian hockey players on the CCP Olympic team gave up their nationalities either. They are playing for the CCP because they could not play for their home country. Once their CCP team loses, they will go back to the normal lives. It is all a show for the CCP.

Ms. Gu has been keeping her citizenship secret, so she can travel back in forth, go to university in the US and also avoid tax issues related to her Chinese endorsements. I am pretty sure those millions in endorsements is sitting in an American or non Chinese bank incase the CCP decides to take it back.

China does not allow dual citizenship. I wonder how the citizens in China are going to take knowing that the rules only apply to some and not others.

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@Yrral

Lots of Asian change their first name to. an western name, which is not their birth name, that show somekind of insecurity on their part

The US since slavery forced "anyone" who did not speak English as their first language to change their name to an "English" sounding name. That also included immigrants from European countries.

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For starters, China, Korea, Japan etc dont even allow dual citizenship, while most white countries accept it as a normal thing. Yet, these people have a nerve of complaining about "racism" in the USA.

What a fallacy: the first and second issues are totally disconnected, YET you tried badly to make an argument. In easy English: having countries not allowing dual citizenship does not justify the blatant racism seen in the USA.

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I think especially speakers of tonal languages do it so that they don't have to deal with westerners mispronouncing their names.

Just like anyone moving to a Mandarin speaking country creates their own Chinese name.

If that was true, why so many people make up their own fictional white names even in JAPAN?

I've met lots of Michaels, Tonys, Lucys, they were all africans, indians, south koreans, southeast asians with completely different names but very easy to pronounce in japanese. Last time I met an african called Assane that made a point of being called "Justice" (?)

On the other hand, I'm yet to meet a japanese abroad making up these fictional white names for themselves.

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ebisenToday 07:34 am JST

... Also I'm pretty sure the males are in exactly the same boat and that this illiterate journalist could have written exactly the same article by writing "Asian-Americans" instead of "Asian-American women" but her cancel culture and feminist agenda just couldn't allow that to happen.

Because of course, you can't allow an article to address issues that are specific to one gender without mentioning the other, can you.

I'm sure that when articles discuss problems that men face, you're right here condemning it for not being gender-balanced and also mentioning women. Right?

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If that was true, why so many people make up their own fictional white names even in JAPAN?

Why not? People don't have to justify how they like being called.

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I'm 82 and lived in America all of my life. But, my wife and I have visited most countries in this world. We've found that people everywhere apart from different cultural traditions are pretty much the same. We both speak multiple languages, and when we visit a country we make sure we at least know the expressions for gratitude, saying hello, etc ... . We've always been warmly greeted and have friends world wide. To be honest most of our closet friends are not from the US. The majority are Asian. That's how we've gravitated over the years.

And, as a graduate student doing my doctorate work we lived in a black American ghetto with our then 1 year old daughter. It is by far the best neighborhood we've ever known. The children were warm and wonderful, and the place was like a large, close family. I saw the police harass 10 year old children for no reason at all. And did not stand silently by. I still do not.

To wit, the endemic racism in the US is a sickness that I've seen since here I was a child. It must be stopped. It leaves me speechless. Education and familiarity is a long term solution. Our grandchildren who are millennials do not have a racist fiber in their being. Perhaps their generation will change this madness. Until then we must be kind to all, respect all, and not remain silent.

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having countries not allowing dual citizenship does not justify the blatant racism seen in the USA.

what kind of racism? 9 in 10 videos of racist attack on asians Ive been watching the perpetrator is not white. Why is that?

Whenever I read about "hate crime" statistics, I always remember that British female politician once said in a speech that she wanted "jobs for British workers". It was reported as a "hate crime".

Hence harming people suffering from real racism / hate crimes, cant take anything seriously these days, absolutely anything someone doesnt agree is racism, hate crime etc. Reminded me of a podcast I just listened recently: "Professionalism Is Now Racist"

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William James,

Well said probably the best post I have ever read on this site.

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Why not? People don't have to justify how they like being called.

cultural appropriation or something like that, thats what they say to whites over just anything, clown world

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@Tokyo-m

Whenever an Asian person living in Asia asks me to call them by a Western name, I always say sure, no problem, and then I ask them to call me by my Asian name....

Ha! Reminds me of my friend Matthew. He'd always say "Hi, I'm Matt. Please call me Kenzaburo."

Nobody seemed to like that, either.

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cultural appropriation or something like that, thats what they say to whites over just anything, clown world

Let's make this about how white people are the truly oppressed ones. Brilliant! (I can't believe I took the bait.)

Whose culture exactly do they appropriate if they prefer to be called by an English name (like that person whose real name and nickname you've generously shared with us)?

As for Japanese people not accepting a non-Japanese looking person going by a Japanese name, isn't that exactly the problem? Narrow-mindedness here doesn't undo narrow-mindedness elsewhere.

As I mentioned earlier, in Mandarin speaking countries, everyone, regardless of their background, having a Chinese name is the convention.

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Let's make this about how white people are the truly oppressed ones. 

He didn't say that, he just highlighted the double standards and hypocrisy.

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Asians really need to consider leaving California and New York due to toxic leftist politics. They are a favorite target of Democrats, academia, Hollywood, and the media due to the success they earn thru hard work. They prove that “institutional racism” is a lie.

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It is little surprise with stories like this why someone like Eileen Gu would choose to represent China if they have the opportunity. Sadly, not everyone does get that chance.

Just listen to her own stories. When she was 15 she was subjected to extensive abuse and hate-filled messages that nobody should be subject to, especially a teenage girl. She was assaulted while out walking with her 80 year old grandmother.

On the other hand in China she is practically a national hero, and she has spent almost all of her summers growing up there with no incident. The choice should be pretty easy for anyone.

Especially in recent years, as the concentrated sinophobic rhetoric has lead to increased anti-Asian hate crimes and sentiment. Whether those are intended consequences or not, this is the direct result.

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Sorry, this reads like a fluff piece designed to exsayrubate the fears of Kokumai and Kim and validate precieved “micro-agressions” against Asian-Americans.

Athletes are loved when they win and, unfortunately, hated when they lose.

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@Yrral

Lots of Asian change their first name to. an western name, which is not their birth name, that show somekind of insecurity on their part

No true. My Japanese mother had to come up with a western name living in America because Americans could not (more like would not) pronounce her Japanese name correctly. The same was true for most of her Japanese friends at the time.

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For starters, China, Korea, Japan etc dont even allow dual citizenship, while most white countries accept it as a normal thing. Yet, these people have a nerve of complaining about "racism" in the USA. 

Indeed. I've lived here for decades, my entire life is here, my home and family and work is all here in Japan, but I'm not allowed to become Japanese unless I renounce my existing citizenship. In the UK and the US on the other hand, even in Korea now, immigrants can fully belong to the country they live in after just a few years. So tell me, where is the racism?

100% agree

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Just listen to her own stories. When she was 15 she was subjected to extensive abuse and hate-filled messages that nobody should be subject to, especially a teenage girl. She was assaulted while out walking with her 80 year old grandmother.

Yupe, here are few more examples of racism experienced by Asian-American Olympians.

Racist attack Asian-American (Asian people, Vietnam, Japan) in USA.

https://twitter.com/ArchangelS_20/status/1492033772967006213

and,

Olympic snowboard gold medalist Chloe Kim speaks out on experience with Asian-hate comments

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2021/04/05/chloe-kim-olympic-snowboard-gold-medalist-details-asian-hate/7099298002/

"I get hundreds of these [racist] messages [on Instagram] and it breaks my heart that people think this type of behavior is okay."

"Kim said she stopped speaking Korean to her parents in public and 'was so ashamed and hated' that she was Asian. She added that she had been spit on in public before as well."

This is why Asian people in USA needs to stand up and push/fight back against these racism together.

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For starters, China, Korea, Japan etc dont even allow dual citizenship, while most white countries accept it as a normal thing. Yet, these people have a nerve of complaining about "racism" in the USA. 

Indeed. I've lived here for decades, my entire life is here, my home and family and work is all here in Japan, but I'm not allowed to become Japanese unless I renounce my existing citizenship. In the UK and the US on the other hand, even in Korea now, immigrants can fully belong to the country they live in after just a few years. So tell me, where is the racism?

Dual, or triple or whatever citizenships? what would you or your young kids do when your countries start war

with each other? Which side are you taking? Single citizenship policy has got nothing to do with racism

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The term "Asian Americans" is inherently racist and Japan Today should take down this article. The term and the article makes broad and inaccurate statements about "Asian American" women and attempts to categorize all such women in a box to fit the reporter's narrative. American women with ancestry or who immigrated from Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, India, Afghanistan Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Bangladesh, Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia, the Philippines, Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, Korea and Japan (and all those Pacific Islanders- does that include New Zealanders-- not to mentioned Russians who have lived East of the Urals for generations) are ALL Asian American women. Yet these are completely different cultures and their experience in the US is completely different- particularly depending on when they or their ancestors arrived here. With a wink and a nod, the report, Sally Ho, really means is in a very racist way are Chinese, Koreans and Japanese- if that is the case, then she should say so. And Japan Today needs to be a lot more professions as should its Japanese corporate owner!

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Racism & xenophobia come in many shapes and sizes.

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"It's like Asian American women can't win," says Jeff Yang, an author and cultural critic. "Asian American female athletes, like most Asian American women in many other spaces, are seen as worthy when they can deliver and then disposed of otherwise.

Trust me Jeff, it's way worse in Japan and China. Japan will "love" you once they think you're about to win a championship but if you don't they won't even know you exist. China would love to use you for propaganda purposes.

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Same racist stuff goes on in Japan all day every day, albeit without the violence, and there is literally no press coverage.

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YrralToday  08:21 am JST

Lots of Asian change their first name to. an western name, which is not their birth name, that show somekind of insecurity on their part

Asian-Americans usually have anglicized names because that's what they were given at birth. Asians in Asia sometimes have "Western" names because it's cool. In Japan there is a trend towards giving children names that could go Western or Japanese, although sometimes it stretches the way the Kanji can be read. In all cases there is nothing to even vaguely suggest that "insecurity" about anything has anything to do with it.

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Asian-Americans usually have anglicized names because that's what they were given at birth. Asians in Asia sometimes have "Western" names because it's cool. In Japan there is a trend towards giving children names that could go Western or Japanese, although sometimes it stretches the way the Kanji can be read. In all cases there is nothing to even vaguely suggest that "insecurity" about anything has anything to do with it.

Excellent point.

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zichi

> Today  12:51 pm JST

> Yesterday, in New York a young 35-year-old Asian woman was stabbed and murdered in their bath by a black career criminal who was found by the police hiding under her bed.

This is absolutely terrible. I really hate seeing this and it has been (rightfully) all over the news here in the tri-state area along with several other crimes like this one. I really hope this mayor keeps his promise and cracks down on crime and the people using mental illness as an excuse and puts these offenders away for a good long while. Regardless of my color or overall opinion of Japan and Korea, I love the general peace in those countries and absolutely abhor these crimes and would personally love to throw the book at all of these career criminals. Our soft stance on crime and guns is hurting everyone and I was sick of it growing up in the South Bronx in the 1970s but 50 years later the problem is still there. RIP to this woman.

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have endured racist verbal, physical and sometimes deadly attacks for two years now, fueled by the pandemic.

"Fueled by the pandemic" and that fuel has been thrown on a long-burning fire, with the flames fanned by bigots online, at school in the workplace and everywhere else.

In the US and around the globe white nationalists for a long time have gone out of their way to divide peoples. Many politicians have risen to power by appealing to bigots like white nationalists, ramping up antagonism against those they consider to be 'others', blaming the 'others' for things the others had nothing to do with. Blaming Asians for Covid is a recent example, making things worse is many of the nastiest bigots cannot distinguish one 'other' group from other 'other groups. A Vietnamese doctor I know was assaulted because the person who attacked her thought she was responsible for spreading the China virus. Sikhs being attacked because the attacker thought they were Muslims are one more an example, and a Mexican attacked after 9-11 because his attacker thought he was Muslim, another. And I am aware people who have attacked Asians for any reason are not always white. Ethnic tensions in the US tend to cross color lines, Apologies for invoking Gump's mom, but stupid is as stupid does. Still, some politicians continue their efforts to further divide people, some have found their stupid audiences and use their media to throw more fuel on fires.

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Commentators have mocked Yi for falling in the team event, as if she deserved the mistake after giving up her U.S. citizenship to compete for her ancestral homeland. Others are angry that she "stole" the Olympic spot from an actual China-born athlete.

Look at international table tennis competitions or else. By a quick nationality switch, quite many China-born aspired althetes also "steal", no, represent foreign countries where they reside and whose passport they hold. Some are successful and honored by host people, others fail. But they are overall accepted regardless of their sport performance. Chinese fan critical (over) reactions are ignorant or one-sided.

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Most of the attacks on Asians in America are by black men.

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@ptownsend

In the US and around the globe white nationalists for a long time have gone out of their way to divide peoples. Many politicians have risen to power by appealing to bigots like white nationalists, ramping up antagonism against those they consider to be 'others', blaming the 'others' for things the others had nothing to do with. Blaming Asians for Covid is a recent example, making things worse is many of the nastiest bigots cannot distinguish one 'other' group from other 'other groups. A Vietnamese doctor I know was assaulted because the person who attacked her thought she was responsible for spreading the China virus. Sikhs being attacked because the attacker thought they were Muslims are one more an example, and a Mexican attacked after 9-11 because his attacker thought he was Muslim, another. And I am aware people who have attacked Asians for any reason are not always white. Ethnic tensions in the US tend to cross color lines, Apologies for invoking Gump's mom, but stupid is as stupid does. Still, some politicians continue their efforts to further divide people, some have found their stupid audiences and use their media to throw more fuel on fires.

You are getting downvoted because you are referring to the actions of a lot of trump supporters and their ilk. Last year, @bass4funk and a few other posters were also calling the pandemic the "China virus."

This Black-Asian conflict that the some other posters are pushing as a narrative was also calling it the "China virus" a while ago. Once again, they are trying to divert attention from a few incidents caught on video to the violence and discrimination on a national level.

A recent study finds that in fact, Christian nationalism is the strongest predictor of xenophobic views of COVID-19, and the effect of Christian nationalism is greater among white respondents, compared to Black respondents.

Moreover, Black Americans have also experienced high levels of racial discrimination since the pandemic began. Hence, not only does the frame of two minoritized groups in conflict ignore the role of white  national populism, but it also absolves the history and systems of inequality that positioned them there.

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Most of the attacks on Asians in America are by black men.

Correct, the African American community need to address this terrible racism. What are the causes of this, is it jealousy of other minorities becoming successful, is it anger that the success of other minorities shows up their perpetual victim complex. Either way it doesn't look good for the liberals narrative of these hordes of 'white nationalists' everywhere spreading hate and violence, we all know that's just overactive imaginations and the real issue is black on asian hate crime.

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@Kurumazaka

this here is some top notch sarcasm.

That is their job!

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Whether She is Chinese or American, she is one of the cutest athlete esp. With her mole on the right place.

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“cultural critic. "Asian American female athletes, like most Asian American women in many other spaces, are seen as worthy when they can deliver and then disposed of otherwise."

Typical sanctimonious ‘do as I say, not as I do’ hypocrisy. Ever ready to tilt at windmills in their adopted country while remaining silent when it comes to addressing the power disparities that exist in the old country.

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"Asian American women can't win," says Jeff Yang, an author and cultural critic…

Er…

Chloe Kim and Eileen Gu earned their gold medals in Beijing…

Well, those two clearly could.

TT

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I know it's fun to sit around and talk about what a racist, sexist, homophobic hellscape America is, but the elephant in the room here is that the vast majority of attacks on Asians in the US have been committed by a demographic that is only about 14% of the overall population.

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There has been a rise in hate crimes against all minorities since the rise of Trumpism.

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There has been a rise in hate crimes against all minorities since the rise of Trumpism.

(Out of office since last year and he's still living rest free!)

Oh, 1glenn - would you care to look at official FBI hate crime statistics and share with us which identity group is responsible for an overwhelming share of hate crimes?

I won't hold my breath since they're not white and they vote Democrat.

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back in the day when I first arrived in Japan and worked for a certain monster eikaiwa that was at the heights of its powerss, in one of my first lessons a student introduced herself as "Hiroko Watanabe...please call me Diana". I was puzzled and asked why, she said she loved Princess Diana and wanted to called that......that was another strike against her.....ermm nah Hiroko.

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I don't see what the big fuss is about for some people here... an individual can call themselves anything they want (i.e. if they are japanese but wanting to be called a western name)..... its their preference and i'm happy to respect that...

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Name easy to pronounce was chosen, otherwise whatever you like to be called.

Who cares, the very ones themselves forget or change them

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Tokyo-mFeb. 14  12:13 pm JST

what would you or your young kids do when your countries start war

As opposed to now where, because of the one-citizenship policy of Japan, I have a different citizenship to my family?

Are you willing to serve yourself or let your kids serve for military service, for example, in South Korea? You cannot dodge the service as long as you and/or your kids become citizen of South Korea. Even in USA which conditions for naturalization clearly state "When appropriate law passed to levy you or your kids, you ain't dodge them" So in this current unreasonable world, you are calling Japan's single citizenship policy is racism. Heck. It t is not about moving from Tokyo to Hokkaido, or Shinjuku-ward to Setagaya-ward. but you are demanding the complete rights in the spots.

How long you lived here, paying tax, you have Japanese wife, just don't matter, and have absolutely got nothing to do with racism

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https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/hate-crime-statistics

According to official FBI statistics, as released by the US Department of Justice, more than 55% of hate crimes are committed by Whites.

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1glennToday  07:25 pm JST

https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/hate-crime-statistics

According to official FBI statistics, as released by the US Department of Justice, more than 55% of hate crimes are committed by Whites.

Whites are 74% of the population, so that shows a lesser rate than Blacks who committed 21% of hate crimes, but comprise only 13% of the population.

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“Racism” has become simply a curse word. People are tribalistic; people are opportunistic. The successful con artist takes the opportunity to portray himself or herself as both a member of a tribe and a victim of injustice, before crying all the way to the bank…On the matter of names, East Asian Christians have baptismal names, and that practice has been imitated more generally. Why not? I have several names, Western and Eastern.

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@Peter Neil

Whites are 74% of the population, so that shows a lesser rate than Blacks who committed 21% of hate crimes, but comprise only 13% of the population.

You fail to take into account most examples of racism committed by whites are prosecuted less or given lesser punishments than crimes committed by minorities.

White Terrorism Often Leads to Harsher Punishment for People of Color

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2021/01/14/white-terrorism-often-leads-to-harsher-punishment-for-people-of-color

The same is true for most crimes in general in the US. Therefore, hate crimes in the media stand out in the public even more when a minority is involved.

Judge Tosses Teen’s Sexual Assault Conviction, Drawing Outrage

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/13/us/drew-clinton-released-sexual-assault.html

Let's not forget all those wrongly accused and prosecuted innocent POC of color convicted and sentenced due to racism. All adding to the narrative that Blacks are the most violent when their percentage in crime is actually similar to whites.

Like Japan and COVID-19 infections, the statistics against minorities in particular Blacks are manipulated.

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…the statistics against minorities in particular Blacks are manipulated.

So, Asian hate crime statistics are manipulated, too?

All adding to the narrative that Blacks are the most violent when their percentage in crime is actually similar to whites.

Not according to the FBI statistics, which show Blacks commit over 54% of the murders in the US, which is disproportionate to the 13% population, as is the total violent crime rate.

Blacks should be outraged that most Blacks are murdered by Blacks. Aren’t you?

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https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221

According to the US census bureau, the figure of 74% of the population being White is true only if one includes Hispanics as White.

If Hispanics are not included as White, then Whites make up about 60% of the population. The judicial system notoriously shies away from convicting whites at the same rate as other races, which makes the hate crime rate of 55+% understandable.

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1glennToday  12:40 am JST

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221

According to the US census bureau, the figure of 74% of the population being White is true only if one includes Hispanics as White.

If Hispanics are not included as White, then Whites make up about 60% of the population. The judicial system notoriously shies away from convicting whites at the same rate as other races, which makes the hate crime rate of 55+% understandable.

You’re manipulating statistics to suit yourself as you say “other” do.

Being Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race, and 14% consider themselves to be White. About 6% consider themselves to be Black.

The data still stands, regardless of your manipulation, or even including your manipulation.

The ratio of White hate crime is less than the White population and the ratio of Black hate crime is more than the Black population.

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@Peter Neil

You’re manipulating statistics to suit yourself as you say “other” do.

Being Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race, and 14% consider themselves to be White. About 6% consider themselves to be Black.

The data still stands, regardless of your manipulation, or even including your manipulation.

The ratio of White hate crime is less than the White population and the ratio of Black hate crime is more than the Black population.

Once again, totally incorrect. Not to mention, you have not provided no real evidence to back up your claim.

https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/hate-crime-statistics

Of the 6,780 known offenders:

55.1% were White

21.2% were Black or African American

15.7% race unknown

Take into account whites are less likely to be convicted or given a lighter sentence than POC.

If Hispanics are not included as White, then Whites make up about 60% of the population. The judicial system notoriously shies away from convicting whites at the same rate as other races, which makes the hate crime rate of 55+% understandable.

@1glenn.....You are correct!

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i think there is a deep rooted issue that white mailes have a kind of superiority complex against Asian women.

But in a neutral view, both sides are responsible about that, as many of Asian women tend to think higly of westernized ways, especially maile Caucasian people as a symbol of that. They should change the way of thought otherwise they tend to be treated slavely by white males.

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NumanToday  02:04 pm JST

you have not provided no real evidence to back up your claim.

I didn't make it up. Go to the FBI website. The hate crime data is precisely as I said.

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@Peter Neil

I didn't make it up. Go to the FBI website. The hate crime data is precisely as I said.

More evidence that you do not know what you are talking about.

Ms. Yam (Asian writer)

Anti-Asian hate crimes increased 339 percent nationwide last year, report says

https://news.yahoo.com/anti-asian-hate-crimes-increased-230233391.html

Asian hate is up 11 percent!

Ms. Yam also said:

The report also found that Black Americans remained the most targeted group across most cities. 

Then she reported:

“Especially during a time when groups are trying to divide and pit vulnerable communities against each other, we must remember that we are stronger together,” Yang said

Who could those last two quotes be about? We all know who they are referring to!

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The FBI statistic which shows 52% of hate crimes by whites is very misleading.

Get this; "The FBI measures Latinos as an ethnicity, not a race, so that the white racial category of offenders also includes Latinos."

so that 52% includes Latinos as well as whites! The US is currently 60% white, which means they are not committing such crimes that would reflect their numbers

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/11/fbi-minorities-more-likely-commit-hate-crimes-daniel-greenfield/

The fact remains, the chances of a hate crime being committed by a black American on another group are much more likely.

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@master

I've been saying the same thing, but few people will invest a minute or two to verify the facts. Or they intentionally ignore facts, or the don't have the reasoning ability to understand the facts.

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@Peter Neil

Its a feature of the left. Statistics are very very hard for them.

I spent a few weeks last year trying to introduce the concept of "per capita" to a few to no avail..

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Its a feature of the left. Statistics are very very hard for them.

The worst I ever saw regarding basic numbers was a poster here who tried to own the left with information from a basic line graph but misread it, and when it was pointed out to him, he had an absolutely revolting hysterical meltdown and started calling people ‘cucks’.

Appalling hysterics.

Worse than anything I’ve seen on here, from the left or the right. Disgraceful lack of education and mental stability.

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The worst I ever saw regarding basic numbers was a poster here who tried to own the left with information from a basic line graph but misread it, and when it was pointed out to him, he had an absolutely revolting hysterical meltdown and started calling people ‘cucks’. 

Appalling hysterics. 

Worse than anything I’ve seen on here, from the left or the right. Disgraceful lack of education and mental stability.

Well if that is indeed true, you have to excuse some adults from time to time.

You just don't know how hard it can be to juggle the responsibilities of a house, a family, a steady job, 2 cars and a Golden Retriever.

Surely you can see where people might forget to carry the two, right?

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